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Jul 22, 2013 16:58:00   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
KW is just being a crybaby as he doesn't agree with the verdict in a trial by jury....He thinks it's illegal for anyone to be able defend themselves...He thinks that GZ should have let TM pound him to death...

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Jul 22, 2013 17:09:47   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
KW is just being a crybaby as he doesn't agree with the verdict in a trial by jury....He thinks it's illegal for anyone to be able defend themselves...He thinks that GZ should have let TM pound him to death...


The verdict doesn't affect my life at all. I don't really care. I just find it amusing that almost all of the conservatives were defending GZ the day after the story appeared. This was before any of the facts appeared.
Look over this board. Long before the trial, conservatives were defending GZ. At this point I'm sure GZ wishes he had called 911 and then let the police handle everything from there.
I don't want to rehash all this again. It's over. The jury based it's verdict on what they had to work with.
It was strange that the night that the jury went into deliberations, the Drudge Report was running reports on how biased the judge was. Just preparing excuses in case the verdict came in the "wrong" way.

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Jul 22, 2013 17:11:46   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Knowing the facts that were presented at the trial you still feel the same way?...
KW Conch wrote:
The verdict doesn't affect my life at all. I don't really care. I just find it amusing that almost all of the conservatives were defending GZ the day after the story appeared. This was before any of the facts appeared.
Look over this board. Long before the trial, conservatives were defending GZ. At this point I'm sure GZ wishes he had called 911 and then let the police handle everything from there.
I don't want to rehash all this again. It's over. The jury based it's verdict on what they had to work with.
It was strange that the night that the jury went into deliberations, the Drudge Report was running reports on how biased the judge was. Just preparing excuses in case the verdict came in the "wrong" way.
The verdict doesn't affect my life at all. I don't... (show quote)

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Jul 22, 2013 17:23:28   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Knowing the facts that were presented at the trial you still feel the same way?...


Feel the same way about what ?

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Jul 22, 2013 17:30:41   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
The outcome of the trial...
KW Conch wrote:
Feel the same way about what ?

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Jul 22, 2013 17:41:33   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
The outcome of the trial...


I think that I said that the outcome of the trial was correct based on the testimony presented. The only problem is that TM didn't have an opportunity to present his side of the case.
We have no idea what provoked TM to double back and attack GZ. I have read a number of emotional responses on this board which appear to be racially motivated, although only a few will admit that.
I have no idea what really happened that night. I accept the verdict and I probably would have had to vote the same way with the evidence (or lack of it on the other side)presented.
I'm not upset. I don't really care one way of the other. I'm getting ready for a 16 day trip to the UK and Ireland.

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Jul 22, 2013 17:42:44   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Enjoy your trip !!! I'm jealous !!
KW Conch wrote:
I think that I said that the outcome of the trial was correct based on the testimony presented. The only problem is that TM didn't have an opportunity to present his side of the case.
We have no idea what provoked TM to double back and attack GZ. I have read a number of emotional responses on this board which appear to be racially motivated, although only a few will admit that.
I have no idea what really happened that night. I accept the verdict and I probably would have had to vote the same way with the evidence (or lack of it on the other side)presented.
I'm not upset. I don't really care one way of the other. I'm getting ready for a 16 day trip to the UK and Ireland.
I think that I said that the outcome of the trial ... (show quote)

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Jul 22, 2013 17:55:53   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Enjoy your trip !!! I'm jealous !!


Thank you, Scott. We will be gone from August 8-24. I'll be sure to take lots of photos and post them when I return. :)

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Jul 22, 2013 18:22:15   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
KW Conch wrote:
I think that I said that the outcome of the trial was correct based on the testimony presented. The only problem is that TM didn't have an opportunity to present his side of the case.
We have no idea what provoked TM to double back and attack GZ. I have read a number of emotional responses on this board which appear to be racially motivated, although only a few will admit that.
I have no idea what really happened that night. I accept the verdict and I probably would have had to vote the same way with the evidence (or lack of it on the other side)presented.
I'm not upset. I don't really care one way of the other. I'm getting ready for a 16 day trip to the UK and Ireland.
I think that I said that the outcome of the trial ... (show quote)



My guess is a case of inflated EGO and the Machismo that all of us had at that age is what got TM in trouble. Instead of doing the wise thing he did the Manly thing. Unfortunately he won't have the chance to learn from that mistake. I only hope that others learn from it.

Enjoy you outing
John

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Jul 22, 2013 18:22:57   #
NOSLEEP Loc: Calgary
 
July 22, 2013

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/story?id=19735432

George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue a family who was trapped in an overturned vehicle, police said today.

Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of Dana and Mark Gerstle and their two children, who were trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla. at approximately 5:45 p.m. Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.

It's the first known sighting of Zimmerman since he left the courtroom following his controversial acquittal last week on murder charges for the death of Martin. Zimmerman, 29, shot and killed Martin, 17, in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, 2012. The jury determined that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense.

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Jul 22, 2013 19:08:13   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
KW Conch wrote:
You attack me for posting an article from Mother Jones, yet you try to counter with a barrage of extremist conservative articles. Give me a break.
What was GZ doing that made TM want to attack him as he walked home from the store to his home ? TM didn't attack anyone else. What was GZ doing to provoke him ?


Your reasoning is illogical; Martin did not attack anyone else THAt night, therefore Zimmerman must have done something to provoke him. By that standard all of us can brutally beat one person per night, because if that was the only one, we must have been provoked. The facts indicate that Zimmerman shot Martin to put an end to the assault Martin was visiting on him. There is no evidence of any injury Zimmerman caused Martin, except for the fatal shot in self defense. Like all Martin advocates, you justify his assault before any injury, but do not grant Zimmerman even the right to self defense against proven injuries.

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Jul 22, 2013 19:11:00   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
Pepper: GZ was on patrol, he was doing his duty as the neighborhood watch volunteer. That’s what the neighborhood watch people do, they watch the neighborhood and TM didn’t want anyone watching him.


Conch: Pretty weak answer. TM didn't attack anyone else on his way home.


Nagy: What is weak is your response, not Pepper's. The argument that Martin did not attack anyone else that night is hardly any reason to judge his attack that night. Whether it was justified or not does not hinge on whether it was the only time he had done it that night. By that measure all of us would be free to beat the crap out of one person a night.

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Jul 22, 2013 19:21:44   #
pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"
 
NOSLEEP wrote:
July 22, 2013

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/story?id=19735432

George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding since he was acquitted of murder in the death of Trayvon Martin, emerged to help rescue a family who was trapped in an overturned vehicle, police said today.

Zimmerman was one of two men who came to the aid of Dana and Mark Gerstle and their two children, who were trapped inside a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had rolled over after traveling off the highway in Sanford, Fla. at approximately 5:45 p.m. Thursday, the Seminole County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.

The crash occurred at the intersection of I-4 and route Route 46, police said. The crash site is less than a mile from where Zimmerman shot Martin.

By the time police arrived, two people - including Zimmerman - had already helped the family get out of the overturned car, the sheriff's office said. No one was reported to be injured.

Zimmerman was not a witness to the crash and left after speaking with the deputy, police said.

It's the first known sighting of Zimmerman since he left the courtroom following his controversial acquittal last week on murder charges for the death of Martin. Zimmerman, 29, shot and killed Martin, 17, in Sanford, Fla., on Feb. 26, 2012. The jury determined that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense.
July 22, 2013 br br http://abcnews.go.com/US/geor... (show quote)


Was race involved? Was the family white or Hispanic? If they had been black would GZ had kept going and make this a racial issue so the media can jump all over it. If the SUV had been a foreign model maybe that could have raised a racist issue. Come on media. There's got to be a way to milk this and spin it. Maybe GZ actually caused the accident and is lying about not witnessing it. Hmmmm. :shock:

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Jul 22, 2013 19:25:21   #
NOSLEEP Loc: Calgary
 
pounder35 wrote:
Was race involved? Was the family white or Hispanic? If they had been black would GZ had kept going and make this a racial issue so the media can jump all over it. If the SUV had been a foreign model maybe that could have raised a racist issue. Come on media. There's got to be a way to milk this and spin it. Maybe GZ actually caused the accident and is lying about not witnessing it. Hmmmm. :shock:


I was thinking it must have been a racist accident too. :mrgreen:

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Jul 22, 2013 20:24:34   #
lacsar Loc: Columbia SC and Newland NC
 
KW Conch wrote:
I wonder what big, bad GZ would have done if TM had been armed as well ? Too bad TM didn't listen to the conservatives and be packing heat as well.


So what you're saying is that it would have been ok if Martin shot and killed Zimmerman?

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