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Jun 20, 2013 16:08:04   #
arlissd
 
KW Conch wrote:
Can you show me where Jesus ever uttered one word about homosexuality ? I am straight and find homosexuality to be distasteful, but I do not believe it is a choice. I have had discussions with several gays and they tell me that they have no attraction to the opposite sex.


Matthew 19:4-6

English Standard Version (ESV)

4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”




Matthew 5:17-19

English Standard Version (ESV)

“Do not think that I have come to abolish qthe Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but rto fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, suntil heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 tTherefore whoever relaxes uone of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least vin the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great vin the kingdom of heaven.

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Jun 20, 2013 16:18:15   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
arlissd wrote:
Matthew 19:4-6

English Standard Version (ESV)

4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”




Matthew 5:17-19

English Standard Version (ESV)

“Do not think that I have come to abolish qthe Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but rto fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, suntil heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 tTherefore whoever relaxes uone of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least vin the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great vin the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 19:4-6 br br English Standard Version (ES... (show quote)


I understand the point you are trying to make as I am a believer too. However, I see nothing here that that shows Jesus mentioning homosexuality. He certainly does make a point to endorse marriage between male and female.
Once again, what is the benefit to being a homosexual that one would choose to go that direction ?

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Jun 20, 2013 16:20:34   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
I just read a very good analogy about this:
It is like teaching a left handed person to be right handed -
Born that way - lived life up to present that way- dang that is nearly impossible - I personally know what it is like to be left handed in a right handed oriented world.

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Jun 20, 2013 16:23:00   #
arlissd
 
eye2eye wrote:
Sorry sir, no disrespect but the only thing that I believe was truly written by God, was the Ten Commandments. Everything else is subject to interpretation because it was written by men. There is nothing in the Commandments about being gay. And believe it or not, my "gay" nephew follows them to a tee.


Sir, I am only a spokesman for God, no disrespect taken. I am just happy that I can share the truth with you. It is not a mistake today that I had an opportunity to share with you today. I have done what God has asked me to do, plant a seed. The seed of the truth(Word) has planted, someone will come into you life and water that seed, and than God will give the increase. In other words, one day you will truly know God's truth without leaning into your own understanding. God bless you and yours.

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Jun 20, 2013 16:23:31   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
arlissd wrote:
I am a believer, I believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross. I believe that God raise him on the third day. I believe that Jesus returned to the Father. I believed that he sent the Holy Spirit back for us. I believe that the Holy Spirit guides those who believe to the truth. So do I know truth, yes. I also know the difference between right and wrong.

God is a true gentleman, who allows us to choose who we serve. We can serve Him or we can serve Satan. In saying this, everyone has a choice to sin if they desire, but there are consequence for each who sin.

There are some who choose to sin by doing unnatural acts, like having sex with the same gender, or killing people, being an alcoholic, committing adultery, selling drugs, etc. This is the truth. It is also the truth, if those who choose to commit sin and do not repent, they have made another choice.

Yes Sir, I indeed know the truth and now so do you.
I am a believer, I believe that Jesus Christ died ... (show quote)


Do you post as an attempt to promote yourself or your beliefs? In posting do you somehow feel like you are improving your relationships with others or your god? Once you come to the realization that your insignificant life is wrought on archaic beliefs that are no more relevant than the beliefs of the Aztecs will change your attitude or continue as if the fantasies of Christianity were true?

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Jun 20, 2013 16:25:06   #
arlissd
 
KW Conch wrote:
I understand the point you are trying to make as I am a believer too. However, I see nothing here that that shows Jesus mentioning homosexuality. He certainly does make a point to endorse marriage between male and female.
Once again, what is the benefit to being a homosexual that one would choose to go that direction ?


MALE AND FEMALE. Homosexuality is MAN TO MAN AND WOMAN TO WOMAN.

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Jun 20, 2013 16:32:09   #
arlissd
 
RixPix wrote:
Do you post as an attempt to promote yourself or your beliefs? In posting do you somehow feel like you are improving your relationships with others or your god? Once you come to the realization that your insignificant life is wrought on archaic beliefs that are no more relevant than the beliefs of the Aztecs will change your attitude or continue as if the fantasies of Christianity were true?


I have nothing to promote, especially not myself. I am a witness for the one who saved me. The Holy Spirit promotes Himself. He knocks, if you do not answer, He moves on the next person. He is always a gentlemen. You and everyone else has a "CHOICE" to believe or not to believe, isn't that great. Peace be with you my Brother.

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Jun 20, 2013 16:36:15   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
[quote=arlissd]Matthew 19:4-6


I have read this over and over and I can find nowhere that it states that the "WIFE HAS TO BE A WOMAN/FEMALE"

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4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

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Jun 20, 2013 16:39:48   #
arlissd
 
[quote=Harvey]
arlissd wrote:
Matthew 19:4-6


I have read this over and over and I can find nowhere that it states that the "WIFE HAS TO BE A WOMAN/FEMALE"

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4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
Matthew 19:4-6 br br br I have read this over an... (show quote)


God bless you my Brother.

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Jun 20, 2013 16:50:19   #
eye2eye Loc: Chicago, Illinois
 
arlissd wrote:
Sir, I am only a spokesman for God, no disrespect taken. I am just happy that I can share the truth with you. It is not a mistake today that I had an opportunity to share with you today. I have done what God has asked me to do, plant a seed. The seed of the truth(Word) has planted, someone will come into you life and water that seed, and than God will give the increase. In other words, one day you will truly know God's truth without leaning into your own understanding. God bless you and yours.
Sir, I am only a spokesman for God, no disrespect ... (show quote)
And I am happy to share the "truth" with you sir. The gays I know don't hate or discriminate. The gays I know are good people who do not try to push their beliefs on other people. The gays I know don't tell people they are sinners and they are going to hell for adultery, abusing their wives or children. The gays I know, just want to live happy lives and not have to deal with people telling them how to live. It has come down to you "preaching" about how someone should live their life and you do not have that right. Who tells you how to think and act? Who tells you who to like and who you can be in a relationship with? I'm just curious as to who are the humans that tell you these things? Nobody, that's who. And don't say the "government because that is such a cop out. So, leave it alone and live you life without having to tell others what to do. I find no difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals as individuals. There are good and bad. You are trying to fight a battle that no one but the Lord can decide. That's the whole point. You are so FOR your religion claiming it is the truth, that you are AGAINST anyone who is not. That is not christian. Also, I find it very condescending that you think you have the right to tell people that you are planting the seed of truth. You are preaching. Plain and simple.

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Jun 20, 2013 16:56:03   #
lachmap Loc: Sydney Australia
 
I'm straight because I am. My daughter is gay, because she is. She didn't choose. She tried to be straight as a teenager but just had to concede the fact that she's gay. So what? Is 'god' going to send her to hell for it? Ha, just another reason why I find it very hard to believe in that stuff and peoples' interpretation of the bible etc.

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Jun 20, 2013 16:58:28   #
lachmap Loc: Sydney Australia
 
Harvey wrote:
I just read a very good analogy about this:
It is like teaching a left handed person to be right handed -
Born that way - lived life up to present that way- dang that is nearly impossible - I personally know what it is like to be left handed in a right handed oriented world.


Harvey that is the most wonderful analogy I have read. You are truly a gentleman.

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Jun 20, 2013 17:08:26   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
arlissd wrote:
I have nothing to promote, especially not myself. I am a witness for the one who saved me. The Holy Spirit promotes Himself. He knocks, if you do not answer, He moves on the next person. He is always a gentlemen. You and everyone else has a "CHOICE" to believe or not to believe, isn't that great. Peace be with you my Brother.


I think you need to adjust the dosage of your anti-psychotic medication.

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Jun 20, 2013 18:09:30   #
arlissd
 
eye2eye wrote:
And I am happy to share the "truth" with you sir. The gays I know don't hate or discriminate. The gays I know are good people who do not try to push their beliefs on other people. The gays I know don't tell people they are sinners and they are going to hell for adultery, abusing their wives or children. The gays I know, just want to live happy lives and not have to deal with people telling them how to live. It has come down to you "preaching" about how someone should live their life and you do not have that right. Who tells you how to think and act? Who tells you who to like and who you can be in a relationship with? I'm just curious as to who are the humans that tell you these things? Nobody, that's who. And don't say the "government because that is such a cop out. So, leave it alone and live you life without having to tell others what to do. I find no difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals as individuals. There are good and bad. You are trying to fight a battle that no one but the Lord can decide. That's the whole point. You are so FOR your religion claiming it is the truth, that you are AGAINST anyone who is not. That is not christian. Also, I find it very condescending that you think you have the right to tell people that you are planting the seed of truth. You are preaching. Plain and simple.
And I am happy to share the "truth" with... (show quote)


1. I do not hate or discriminate against anyone. I am what you call black and I was born in Alabama in the fifties.

2. My daughter who are homosexuals are people - I love them. I do not like the fact that they choose to be with a woman. The Father loves me in and out of my sins. Should I hate my daughters because they choose to go against the Word of God, no indeed? Am I better than God?

3. Sir I am a sinner, every person that walks on this earth is a sinner. Everyone was born into sin. There are no innocent people.

4. I cannot tell anyone to be or not to be in any relationship.

5. I fight against Satan not against people. The fight is not against flesh and blood, this is a spiritual fight. There is a part in this fight that I must do and the rest is left up to the All Mighty.

6. Sir I am not a religious person, I am a believer in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

7. Everyone has a right to believe whatever they desire. The only thing that I can say is that there is consequences in what we each believe.

8. Sir, a right, no Sir it is an honor to do what the Almighty Father has ask me to do. When someone that you love ask you to do something what do you do?

9. Guilty, I am a preacher and teacher of the Gospel.

Sir you have your belief feel free to express them to anyone, other people have their belief they are free to express them. I, on the other hand have a responsibilities to spread the Word of God.

God bless you and yours.

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Jun 20, 2013 20:14:29   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
You cannot be serious! One purpose of evolution is to pass on genes. However, no one argues that the purpose of evolution is perfection. In fact, it can be argued that evolution relishes imperfection.

taffthetooth wrote:
This is a serious question. If we are just the end product of blind chance and evolution, and our sole purpose is to pass on our genes, then surely homosexuality is a dead end? How come evolution has not eradicated the (genes?) responsible.
Why do women still produce eggs and men sperm?

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