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May 26, 2013 15:33:45   #
Nickfh Loc: Cheltenham, UK
 
Sorry, but that should be 'past' - not 'passed'.

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May 26, 2013 15:56:12   #
TonyP Loc: New Zealand
 
nikonshooter wrote:
As a traditional photographer, what did you do in the darkroom? What's the difference? I get a kick out of the "old traditional photographers" who think it is not PHOTOGRAPHY if the images' pixels are changed in some way. I am 68 years old and thank the stars above for PS and LR.......and do not harken back to the good old days of the stink'n dark room. The camera can only do so much - the creative mind has no boundaries! .....though there are some too lazy to spend the time to learn "how" to use PS, LR, Painter and others.

If you don't want to spend the money on PS, download GIMP. It is free and very PS like, so I am told.
As a traditional photographer, what did you do in ... (show quote)


Have to agree Nikonshooter.
Seems like many on UHH I call myself a traditional Photographer.
Got that dream position, for me, as a darkroom operator over 45 years ago and then went on to survive in my own business for some years.
Time went on and I changed career paths.
Really what motivated me to change was that dark, dreary, smelly darkroom.
Long hours into the night, dodging and burning.
My hands have never really recovered from hours of immersion in developer and fixer.
10 years ago I started taking pics again with my old Leicas.
Refreshed I enjoyed it and like to think I made some good pics, then I found
a great laboratory that would do what I wanted, so slowly, at my own pace,
only through referrals, a little business developed.

I resisted digital as a traditional photographer, who needs it.
But then I noticed 'digital' pros were turning out prints way better than I could get without spending heaps of $ on post processing.
So I bought my first DC. A D70.

Now I am a retired pro, traditional, with a D300, Lightroom and PE11.
I don't have the skills, or the resources of full time Professional Photographers but I have a small clientele that buy my results and refer their friends to me.
Clients photos are only taken in RAW, my personal pics in jpg.
I no longer have to carry bulky, heavy lighting gear. Just 2 speedlights and a few bit's and pieces.
No more lonely hours in the damp gloom. A laptop in the office now does the job.

My pics still don't have the mood I used to get in the old days but I am getting there and clients seem happy. Not that I have hundreds. 2 or 3 a month is my average.

And I no longer think of myself as traditional and I don't need post processing.
Photos have always needed post processing, no more or less today.
So I encourage you to embrace the technology.
Forget the old days and if you are passionate about your hobby, learn how to
post process with the best software you can afford.
Whether its a steep or shallow learning curve, it's worth it.
Cheers

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May 26, 2013 16:18:11   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
CaptainC wrote:
Correct is correct and steep means easy. Just because people misuse (parrot) terms and do not understand them, does not change the definition.

Photoshop has a VERY SHALLOW learning curve. :-)


Sorry, but I have never heard of "steep" meaning easy unless you are going DOWNhill!! Steep learning curve does NOT mean quick.

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May 26, 2013 16:21:31   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
Digiphot2 wrote:
Captain:

I realize that maybe in your vernacular, steep means down hill only...Am I right in thinking in that direction?

Oh well, If that is the point, then every steep hill that I encountered with my bike had to be easy!!! No matter if it is going up or down! I guess with your thinking, I will have to give it a try to find out...I got it! After two hours and a mile traveled, I guess it was an easy steep hill! So the next hill I encountered was an easy steep hill too! I made a mile in 1.5 minutes! So all steep hills are the same! Right? It is all in how you look at them, on a Harley or Schwinn! There is no such thing as a difficult steep hill in your life, they all must be easy right, no matter the energy expended to conquer it??? It is your call.

Where this is going is this...I worked successfully for 12 years at Boeing as an illustrator on a $70,000, user friendly graphics computer, and the documents group had photoshop, on their Apple based graphics computers. I tried to watch and understand what exactly it took to make a simple graphic, let's say a red circle with a slash through it, on their machine, and I almost passed out over the complexity of that software, and the gyrations needed to make a simple circle and then that 45 degree slash through it! Somebody later, gave me an old copy of Photoshop, and the instruction book...NICE! Not really! The instruction book looked like the New York City Phone book! It was over three inches thick! Must be easy.....Right? Piece of cake!

I had Essentials in the past, but found Corel more forgiving and easy to operate. But with Kelby lurking in the wings, there is always that queasy feeling in my gut that his motivation is not to make Elements fun, but to bait the user into purchasing Photoshop...There is just enough left out, in Elements, to force the issue. And as I also stated about RAW, it too is overkill...But Nikon/Canon will keep throwing out the "Jpeg is bad!" bait just to see if we will bite.

Now unless you are in the Mensa program for the mentally blessed, then knock yourself out and purchase Photoshop! I was just suggesting to that gentleman, that if all he did was tweek his photos, then he is an excellent photographer, and that Corell was to my knowledge, the best suggestion for his photography needs.

I used to use fly swatters for eliminating flies, but found that because they were so fast, I could not always hit them, so I decided to use my 12 gauge shotgun! It was noisy, but it worked! The only draw back was this...It took days to find the remains of the fly, and that hole!!!...If you get my drift. Ha Ha!

I never liked Kelby and his Photoshop Dynasty! Have you seen the price of his Photoshop RAG? He is as bad as George Gates and Microsoft! Both are poised for world domination and raking in as much money as possible, and we are at the mercy of their, greed and desire to fill their bank accounts, at our expense!

Long live Paintshop Pro! It ain't pretty, but the price is right, and I'm happy with it! It is only $24.00 for the last iteration! Beats $750.00 for the student discounted Photoshop software! And that NYC Phone Book sized instruction book! Wow!

Digiphot2
Captain: br br I realize that maybe in your verna... (show quote)


Not sure about the $24 price, latest I saw was $40-80 depending on which version, otherwise I totally agree with your choice of PaintShopPro. I use x4, haven't loaded x5 yet.

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May 26, 2013 16:25:23   #
TchrBill Loc: Houston, TX
 
Wahawk wrote:
Sorry, but I have never heard of "steep" meaning easy unless you are going DOWNhill!! Steep learning curve does NOT mean quick.

A couple of hours ago I probably would have agreed with you. Read the rest of the posts in this thread and you might see your error. It is a matter of perception.

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May 26, 2013 17:02:33   #
GaryS1964 Loc: Northern California
 
Photoshop CS6 is the last version you can purchase and I would never spend $750 for it. Adobe has switched to a subscription system for Photoshop beyond CS6. They call it Photoshop CC. You can subscribe for $30/mo on a month to month basis to try it out for as long as you want. If you decide you like it then you can subscribe on an annual basis for $240/yr saving $120/yr over the month to month fee.

I own and use CS6. As others have said it has a steep learning curve but there is a ton of free information online about how to use specific features including many YouTube videos. Because of the type of pictures I take one tool that I use frequently is the Content Aware Fill tool. I once took a great shot of my daughter and her family at the beach. Unfortunately it was very crowed with lots of stuff and people in the background that detracted from the image. I removed them with Content Aware Fill leaving a pristine beach and water background.

I don't know if any other software has such a strong tool for removing unwanted objects. I've tried a couple of others but they don't work as well as the one in Photoshop.

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May 26, 2013 19:02:05   #
4ellen4 Loc: GTA--Ontario
 
There are a lot of good free programs that are out there-I have both Elements and CS6 and the Corel Paint Shop Pro 4.
One program that I really like is Paint.Net-and you can download it directly from the Paint.Net site- http://paint.net.amihotornot.com.au/download/pluginspack/

if I have done this right you will get to the page that you can download the program and the plugins
hope that this will help
take care
Ellen

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May 26, 2013 19:19:11   #
Buddiesss Loc: So Dartmouth,Ma
 
well said,

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May 26, 2013 21:42:30   #
Digiphot2
 
Captain:

I thought, and that is a big thought! That Steep in learning was to the difficult end??? Now here is a different way to look at "Steep or Shallow" in this case....Is it related to the subject matter, or the density of the learner's brain ??? Ha Ha!

By the way were you or are you, a Captain in real life? Here is a shot of me in the U. S. Coast Guard 1971 Enjoy!

The old Salt in NYC 1971
The old Salt in NYC 1971...

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May 26, 2013 21:59:02   #
ActiveViewer Loc: Turlock, CA
 
CaptainC wrote:
Shallow learning curve. A steep curve means it is easy. Just because everyone gets it wrong does not change the definition.


Bravo Cap'n...Bravo!

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May 26, 2013 23:18:16   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Digiphot2 wrote:
Captain:

I thought, and that is a big thought! That Steep in learning was to the difficult end??? Now here is a different way to look at "Steep or Shallow" in this case....Is it related to the subject matter, or the density of the learner's brain ??? Ha Ha!

By the way were you or are you, a Captain in real life? Here is a shot of me in the U. S. Coast Guard 1971 Enjoy!


Yes sir. Twice. Once with the U.S. Army and then as an airline captain.

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May 26, 2013 23:41:55   #
Lazy Old Coot Loc: Gainesville, Florida
 
Capt.C, Of course you are (as usual) quite right, Correct is indeed correct. However I think you'll have to agree, in this case correct is also very confusing. So confusing in fact as to render it useless in everyday conversation. I guess if we're going to be correct we'll have to invent a new way to describe the learning curve. Perhaps we should try "difficult learning curve" or "easy learning curve" to eliminate the confusion. .... Coot

CaptainC wrote:
Correct is correct and steep means easy. Just because people misuse (parrot) terms and do not understand them, does not change the definition.

Photoshop has a VERY SHALLOW learning curve. :-)

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May 27, 2013 00:15:57   #
Mickey88 Loc: Central Florida
 
since you are already familiar with paint shop pro, I would not switch, it will allow you to do everything that photoshop elements will do.
I've used paint shop pro since it was a jasc program, I tried photoshop elements and saw no reason to switch, most photoshop plugins also work in PSP.


if anything you might want to download a free trial of lightroom. In 2011 I shot a wedding for a friend, just for the heck of it I downloaded free trial of lightroom. I liked the ability to adjust exposure etc. to a photo, then highlight a group of photos needing similar adjustments and simply apply the same adjustments to the group. I now do my minor adjustments, /exposure/whitebalance etc in lightroom, then export pics to PSP for more intense processing when I feel the need

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May 27, 2013 00:26:30   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Lazy Old Coot wrote:
Capt.C, Of course you are (as usual) quite right, Correct is indeed correct. However I think you'll have to agree, in this case correct is also very confusing. So confusing in fact as to render it useless in everyday conversation. I guess if we're going to be correct we'll have to invent a new way to describe the learning curve. Perhaps we should try "difficult learning curve" or "easy learning curve" to eliminate the confusion. .... Coot


You may be right. Yes, I agree it is confusing, but that is not the fault of the words. I put "Leaning Curve" in the same category with "bokeh," parroted buzzwords used without understanding the meaning/usage. I like using "shallow learning curve" just to confuse people. :-)

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May 27, 2013 00:46:16   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
CaptainC wrote:
You may be right. Yes, I agree it is confusing, but that is not the fault of the words. I put "Leaning Curve" in the same category with "bokeh," parroted buzzwords used without understanding the meaning/usage. I like using "shallow learning curve" just to confuse people. :-)


I like the term "Gentle learning curve" for easier.

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