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May 10, 2013 20:17:26   #
seagent Loc: Colorado
 
"Tuesday began as a good day for Senator Lindsey Graham. He was excited about hearings on Benghazi, hoping that three “whistleblowers” would come up with the information he and his GOP buddies need to hang Obama out to dry make a bigger mountain out of bullshit. That morning he tweeted:

“I think the dam is about to break on #Benghazi. We’re going to find system failure before, during and after the attack.”

Yeah, how did that go for ya, Lindsey? Not so good, huh? Because there was no dam, no breaking and nothing that indicated any kind of cover-up. Nope, nothing to see here, move along. Wednesday’s hearing didn’t reveal anything that a review board and five previous hearings didn’t already tell us. Mark Thompson, Greg Hicks and Eric Nordstrom produced no bombshell and no new fuel for the right-wing’s witch hunt.




Chairman of the Committee, Rep. Darrell Issa, set the tone at the start when he accused the administration of not cooperating and saying that “our minority” has been mostly silent. Apparently this is some strange new meaning of the word, “silent” that we’ve previously been unaware of. Rep. Elijah Cummings hit right back, though:

“There is no member of Congress, be they Republican or Democrat, who fails to uphold the right of whistleblowers to come forward. I think it’s sad when that accusation is made against any member of this Congress. The fact is that our top military commanders have already testified they did everything in their power to deploy assets as soon as possible.” Cummings said that all testimony and documents so far confirm “… that they could not get there in time. I have seen nothing to make me question the proof on this.” (source)

Not that the GOP members of the Committee didn’t give it their best. Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah was certain that the witnesses would detail how the country was misled by the Obama administration both before and after the attack on the American embassy in Libya. But in 6 hours of questions and answers, there was no such information. Now poor Jason has a sad, frowny face.

There was an effort to smear former Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, by using an out-of-context quote from her testimony in January. Remember when, after being browbeaten by the partisan hacks on the Committee, she asked “What difference does it make?” going on to state that their job was to figure out what happened and to make sure it never happened again? Well, Rep. Trey Gowdy (S.C.) decided to just use that first sentence and do a bit of grandstanding. Tsk tsk, Mr. Gowdy… Hillary said in January that she accepted responsibility and would make every correction that the review board suggested. But that doesn’t fit into his emoting and pandering.

On top of the lack of bombshells at the hearing, the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Legislative Affairs, Elizabeth King, sent a letter to Congressman Elijah Cummings yesterday. In it, she explained why the Commander In-Extremis Force couldn’t have reached Benghazi in time to prevent a second attack:

“… because exact conditions on the ground in Benghazi were unknown……the CIF began to fulfill its tasking by pre-positioning at an intermediate staging location, Naval Air Station Sigonella (in Sicily, Italy). From the moment the CIF was ordered to move, it did not stand down until after all personnel (including the fallen) had been evacuated from Benghazi in a little over 12 hours after the initiation of the attack… the time needed from alerting the CIF to landing at the Benghazi airport is greater than the approximately 7.5 hours between the initiation of the first attack and the second one. As such, the time requirements for notification, load and transit alone prevented the CIF from being at the annex in enough time to change events.”

So much for that criticism. Fox News has a copy of the letter but somehow I doubt if they will be saying much about it since it doesn’t help their make-believe narrative.

There are a few things that really have me both angry and annoyed with this whole Benghazi bullshit: 1) where is the outrage at the House Republicans who voted to CUT security for the embassy? They cut $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget just before the attack. Why aren’t they being raked over the coals for that? 2) Where was the right-wing when, under G.W. Bush, seven embassies were attacked and many more than 4 people were killed? How come they never shrieked about that? 3) What about Reagan? Three embassy attacks, including Beirut where 17 Americans were killed. No? That was okay?

This Benghazi thing is making the right insane. Literally. You know the saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? That’s where the GOP is right now. They are so invested in this fantasy that they have lost any ability to see reality. And Fox News feeds the fire, complaining that no other news outlets are covering this. Could it be because it’s utter and complete bullshit? Of course not, not to these modern-day inquisitors. They hate our president that much. It’s sickening."




I agree.

Republicans are always looking for a Democrat to blame. However, how interested was the Republican Congress/Senate when "W" was sleeping at the helm and thousands of Americans were killed... Mistakes in Government are not new and both parties have been guilty when one looks with 20/20 vision. the Unreality is that all terrorist attacks can be prevented. We know that no President has been able to do so. We need to be open and learn from the mistakes instead of just looking for someone to blame..Both sides play the blame game, but I believe the Republicans are drama queens...and not only that, but the majority have never served in the Military, but are the first to put our sons and daughters in harms way...How about asking these cowards to pick their patriotic Ass and do more than just run their mouths...Avoiding the draft: Bush, Cheney, Mitt Romney..This is not to say that Democrats have not been guilty of this, but the point is "you don't avoid the draft and advocate for the War"

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May 10, 2013 20:19:07   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
TheeGambler wrote:
If you were not so busy "bowing at the waist" to the jihadist in D.C., showing total "submission" you would at least listen to the testimony, the emails, the phone calls, other paperwork, and the drones that were videoing the entire attack, etc.

Help coming from Tripoli was less than an hour away but they were told to "Stand down." By the way, did you know that the Director of the CIA is a convert to islam.... Hmmm that is never brought up!


I saw on another site that you were also.

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May 10, 2013 20:26:59   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Democrats are like the kids that graduate from high school and don't know where the Atlantic Ocean is located.

I think they're called Zombies.

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May 10, 2013 20:45:43   #
TheeGambler Loc: The green pastures of Northeast Texas
 
bvm wrote:
Democrats are like the kids that graduate from high school and don't know where the Atlantic Ocean is located.

I think they're called Zombies.


These zombies are part of the "Collective" and they can't think for themselves.. That is why "it takes a village" to raise their kids.

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May 10, 2013 20:48:21   #
cheineck Loc: Hobe Sound, FL
 
seagent wrote:
I agree.

Republicans are always looking for a Democrat to blame. However, how interested was the Republican Congress/Senate when "W" was sleeping at the helm and thousands of Americans were killed... Mistakes in Government are not new and both parties have been guilty when one looks with 20/20 vision. the Unreality is that all terrorist attacks can be prevented. We know that no President has been able to do so. We need to be open and learn from the mistakes instead of just looking for someone to blame..Both sides play the blame game, but I believe the Republicans are drama queens... :roll: and not only that, but the majority have never served in the Military, but are the first to put our sons and daughters in harms way...How about asking these cowards to pick their patriotic Ass and do more than just run their mouths...Avoiding the draft: Bush, Cheney, Mitt Romney..This is not to say that Democrats have not been guilty of this, but the point is "you don't avoid the draft and advocate for the War"
I agree. br br Republicans are always looking fo... (show quote)


OK... Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Bush the Younger were not in the military and avoided the draft? Wow, I didn't know that. I spent 4 years in the USAF and I challenge you to fly an F-102 like "W" did. You are a pathetic, misinformed wimp who does not have the guts to admit he was never in the military. Get off this forum. And, you are correct. All presidents make mistakes... it happens. Obama's just happen to be catastrophes for the American people.

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May 10, 2013 20:48:57   #
tom hughes Loc: Phila Pa
 
Oh, the irony? The Sequester hadn't gone into effect until well after the Ambassador had been murdered. The White House had been warned about Al qaeda in that area 1 month prior to his assassination. Let me remind you that the Sequester budget cuts was the result of a Board appointed by the President. The Sequester Bill was passed by the House & the Senate and immediately signed by the President. He could have vetoed the Bill but did not. The Republican's pushed thru a Bill that would have given the President the discretionary ability to make the cuts in "Non Essential" area's. He chose not to sign that Bill, but rather play the Petulant child , and shut down White House tours and then Air Traffic Controllers. And if you saw the Liberal ABC tonight, John Carl, you saw that the White House & The State Dept, altered the CIA report 12 times before that got the story they wanted. So the President knowingly went on National TV amd lied thru his teeth, Hillary Clinton lied thru her teeth and poor puppet Susan Rice was thrown under the bus by the President by not picking her for Secretary of State because she got caught lying for the President. Now that is "Irony"

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May 10, 2013 20:51:09   #
Curtis_Lowe Loc: Georgia
 
[quote=seagent]"Tuesday began as a good day for Senator Lindsey Graham. He was excited about hearings on



I agree.

Republicans are always looking for a Democrat to blame.

Really seagent?
I though President Obama BLAMED BUSH for everything, even D's joke about that!

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May 10, 2013 20:53:01   #
cheineck Loc: Hobe Sound, FL
 
tom hughes wrote:
Oh, the irony? The Sequester hadn't gone into effect until well after the Ambassador had been murdered. The White House had been warned about Al qaeda in that area 1 month prior to his assassination. Let me remind you that the Sequester budget cuts was the result of a Board appointed by the President. The Sequester Bill was passed by the House & the Senate and immediately signed by the President. He could have vetoed the Bill but did not. The Republican's pushed thru a Bill that would have given the President the discretionary ability to make the cuts in "Non Essential" area's. He chose not to sign that Bill, but rather play the Petulant child , and shut down White House tours and then Air Traffic Controllers. And if you saw the Liberal ABC tonight, John Carl, you saw that the White House & The State Dept, altered the CIA report 12 times before that got the story they wanted. So the President knowingly went on National TV amd lied thru his teeth, Hillary Clinton lied thru her teeth and poor puppet Susan Rice was thrown under the bus by the President by not picking her for Secretary of State because she got caught lying for the President. Now that is "Irony"
Oh, the irony? The Sequester hadn't gone into eff... (show quote)


You are telling the truth... "like it is". Thank you.

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May 10, 2013 21:02:30   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Twardlow wrote:
He killed 8,000 Americans an between 135,000 and a million Iraqis!

That is NOT insult anyone's intelligence!

That is murder!


Funny, if it was so vile, why didn't Obama stop it sooner?...Blood is on his hands as well...

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May 10, 2013 21:06:45   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
seagent wrote:
"Tuesday began as a good day for Senator Lindsey Graham. He was excited about hearings on Benghazi, hoping that three “whistleblowers” would come up with the information he and his GOP buddies need to hang Obama out to dry make a bigger mountain out of bullshit. That morning he tweeted:

“I think the dam is about to break on #Benghazi. We’re going to find system failure before, during and after the attack.”

Yeah, how did that go for ya, Lindsey? Not so good, huh? Because there was no dam, no breaking and nothing that indicated any kind of cover-up. Nope, nothing to see here, move along. Wednesday’s hearing didn’t reveal anything that a review board and five previous hearings didn’t already tell us. Mark Thompson, Greg Hicks and Eric Nordstrom produced no bombshell and no new fuel for the right-wing’s witch hunt.




Chairman of the Committee, Rep. Darrell Issa, set the tone at the start when he accused the administration of not cooperating and saying that “our minority” has been mostly silent. Apparently this is some strange new meaning of the word, “silent” that we’ve previously been unaware of. Rep. Elijah Cummings hit right back, though:

“There is no member of Congress, be they Republican or Democrat, who fails to uphold the right of whistleblowers to come forward. I think it’s sad when that accusation is made against any member of this Congress. The fact is that our top military commanders have already testified they did everything in their power to deploy assets as soon as possible.” Cummings said that all testimony and documents so far confirm “… that they could not get there in time. I have seen nothing to make me question the proof on this.” (source)

Not that the GOP members of the Committee didn’t give it their best. Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah was certain that the witnesses would detail how the country was misled by the Obama administration both before and after the attack on the American embassy in Libya. But in 6 hours of questions and answers, there was no such information. Now poor Jason has a sad, frowny face.

There was an effort to smear former Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, by using an out-of-context quote from her testimony in January. Remember when, after being browbeaten by the partisan hacks on the Committee, she asked “What difference does it make?” going on to state that their job was to figure out what happened and to make sure it never happened again? Well, Rep. Trey Gowdy (S.C.) decided to just use that first sentence and do a bit of grandstanding. Tsk tsk, Mr. Gowdy… Hillary said in January that she accepted responsibility and would make every correction that the review board suggested. But that doesn’t fit into his emoting and pandering.

On top of the lack of bombshells at the hearing, the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Legislative Affairs, Elizabeth King, sent a letter to Congressman Elijah Cummings yesterday. In it, she explained why the Commander In-Extremis Force couldn’t have reached Benghazi in time to prevent a second attack:

“… because exact conditions on the ground in Benghazi were unknown……the CIF began to fulfill its tasking by pre-positioning at an intermediate staging location, Naval Air Station Sigonella (in Sicily, Italy). From the moment the CIF was ordered to move, it did not stand down until after all personnel (including the fallen) had been evacuated from Benghazi in a little over 12 hours after the initiation of the attack… the time needed from alerting the CIF to landing at the Benghazi airport is greater than the approximately 7.5 hours between the initiation of the first attack and the second one. As such, the time requirements for notification, load and transit alone prevented the CIF from being at the annex in enough time to change events.”

So much for that criticism. Fox News has a copy of the letter but somehow I doubt if they will be saying much about it since it doesn’t help their make-believe narrative.

There are a few things that really have me both angry and annoyed with this whole Benghazi bullshit: 1) where is the outrage at the House Republicans who voted to CUT security for the embassy? They cut $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget just before the attack. Why aren’t they being raked over the coals for that? 2) Where was the right-wing when, under G.W. Bush, seven embassies were attacked and many more than 4 people were killed? How come they never shrieked about that? 3) What about Reagan? Three embassy attacks, including Beirut where 17 Americans were killed. No? That was okay?

This Benghazi thing is making the right insane. Literally. You know the saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? That’s where the GOP is right now. They are so invested in this fantasy that they have lost any ability to see reality. And Fox News feeds the fire, complaining that no other news outlets are covering this. Could it be because it’s utter and complete bullshit? Of course not, not to these modern-day inquisitors. They hate our president that much. It’s sickening."




I agree.

Republicans are always looking for a Democrat to blame. However, how interested was the Republican Congress/Senate when "W" was sleeping at the helm and thousands of Americans were killed... Mistakes in Government are not new and both parties have been guilty when one looks with 20/20 vision. the Unreality is that all terrorist attacks can be prevented. We know that no President has been able to do so. We need to be open and learn from the mistakes instead of just looking for someone to blame..Both sides play the blame game, but I believe the Republicans are drama queens...and not only that, but the majority have never served in the Military, but are the first to put our sons and daughters in harms way...How about asking these cowards to pick their patriotic Ass and do more than just run their mouths...Avoiding the draft: Bush, Cheney, Mitt Romney..This is not to say that Democrats have not been guilty of this, but the point is "you don't avoid the draft and advocate for the War"
"Tuesday began as a good day for Senator Lind... (show quote)


The Republicans are desperately trying to restore the crushed image of their entire party. It has gotten to the point that some of them, including their #1 pick to run, Bobby Jindal are refering to them as The Stupid Party.
They fail to realize that it will be at least 10 years before they hold any respect.

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May 10, 2013 21:09:10   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
cheineck wrote:
OK... Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush the Elder, and Bush the Younger were not in the military and avoided the draft? Wow, I didn't know that. I spent 4 years in the USAF and I challenge you to fly an F-102 like "W" did. You are a pathetic, misinformed wimp who does not have the guts to admit he was never in the military. Get off this forum. And, you are correct. All presidents make mistakes... it happens. Obama's just happen to be catastrophes for the American people.


Bet Bush Jr looked real sharp in his ANG uniform.

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May 10, 2013 21:10:10   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
TheeGambler wrote:
These zombies are part of the "Collective" and they can't think for themselves.. That is why "it takes a village" to raise their kids.


It darn sure doesn't take a group to recognize an idiot.

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May 10, 2013 21:10:47   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
seagent wrote:
I agree.

Republicans are always looking for a Democrat to blame. However, how interested was the Republican Congress/Senate when "W" was sleeping at the helm and thousands of Americans were killed... Mistakes in Government are not new and both parties have been guilty when one looks with 20/20 vision. the Unreality is that all terrorist attacks can be prevented. We know that no President has been able to do so. We need to be open and learn from the mistakes instead of just looking for someone to blame..Both sides play the blame game, but I believe the Republicans are drama queens... :roll: and not only that, but the majority have never served in the Military, but are the first to put our sons and daughters in harms way...How about asking these cowards to pick their patriotic Ass and do more than just run their mouths...Avoiding the draft: Bush, Cheney, Mitt Romney..This is not to say that Democrats have not been guilty of this, but the point is "you don't avoid the draft and advocate for the War"
I agree. br br Republicans are always looking fo... (show quote)


Even though we were not at war when he was old enough, why didn't Obama enlist? It would have been a better way to show support for his country than being a "community" organizer...Oh, Bush did serve in the military & Romney has never held any Federal office...Don't know about Cheney...As for your first comment, if Clinton had taken Osama from the Sudan when he had the chance, 9/11 would have never happened...Plenty of blame to go around...

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May 10, 2013 21:14:12   #
Gnslngr
 
Bmac wrote:
Thank goodness for the ad hominem attack, or you would rarely have anything to post. 8-)


Thank goodness I do post, or you would have nothing to say. By the way, you moron (ad hominem rocks!) I started this thread. And the only post you've made was one disparaging me, your intellectual superior. So..... who's the one that can only insult? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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May 10, 2013 21:16:06   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
toma1940 wrote:
Muslim in the White mosque??? Did you Arabian kick you in the head? Your comment is insulting and ignorant.


I like it...I may be a redneck

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