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Dec 9, 2011 08:04:52   #
fotogk Loc: Tuftonboro, NH
 
If you do not register your work then it is not important to put copy right since you will not really have a chance to win a law suite if some one takes your work. Water marks unfortunately are very easy to remove unless they are put in a place that and are so large that they distract from the pic. Registering with the copy right office is very easy cost 35.00 I believe it is a couple thousand images, upload as jpg and you have so many sessions to upload your images. The difference is, if some one takes your image and you go through a lawsuit it is a slamdunk you get paid

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Dec 9, 2011 08:09:30   #
nikonshooter Loc: Spartanburg, South Carolina
 
fotogk wrote:
If you do not register your work then it is not important to put copy right since you will not really have a chance to win a law suite if some one takes your work. Water marks unfortunately are very easy to remove unless they are put in a place that and are so large that they distract from the pic. Registering with the copy right office is very easy cost 35.00 I believe it is a couple thousand images, upload as jpg and you have so many sessions to upload your images. The difference is, if some one takes your image and you go through a lawsuit it is a slamdunk you get paid
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Well said.....at the same time, the ©copyright does two things...it serves as a deterrent and it also advertises for you.

I take a lot of sports pictures......and images appear on facebook pages (by link)......I am really ok with that as this has directed traffic to my website.

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Dec 9, 2011 08:16:24   #
DerexArt Loc: NYC Metro
 
Copyright Notice and the Use of the Copyright Symbol
What is a copyright notice or copyright symbol and how to correctly use it.
(By Mary Bellis, About.com Guide)

A copyright notice or copyright symbol is an identifier placed on copies of the work to inform the world of copyright ownership. While use of a copyright notice was once required as a condition of copyright protection, it is now optional. Use of the copyright notice is the responsibility of the copyright owner and does not require advance permission from, or registration with the Copyright Office.

Because prior law did contain such a requirement, however, the use of a copyright notice or copyright symbol is still relevant to the copyright status of older works.

The use of the copyright notice is the responsibility of the copyright owner and does not require advance permission from, or registration with, the Copyright Office.

Correct Form For The Copyright Symbol
The notice for visually perceptible copies should contain all the following three elements:
1. The copyright symbol © (the letter C in a circle), or the word "Copyright," or the abbreviation "Copr."
2. The year of first publication of the work. In the case of compilations or derivative works incorporating previously published material, the year date of first publication of the compilation or derivative work is sufficient. The year date may be omitted where a pictorial, graphic, or sculptural work, with accompanying textual matter, if any, is reproduced in or on greeting cards, postcards, stationery, jewelry, dolls, toys, or any useful article.
3. The name of the owner of copyright in the work, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner.
Example: copyright © 2002 John Doe

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Dec 9, 2011 08:26:41   #
Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine
 
RMM wrote:
Do NOT use the copyright symbol © unless you have registered the copyright, which involves a fee.


No, that's simply not true.

EDIT: I see that the post above has covered most things very well, while I was writing the above.

I've had a LOT of stuff published (it's my livelihood) and I have a law degree, though I've never practised. The only thing I'd add to the post above is that 'publication' can be hard to define. Technically, sending a friend a print could constitute 'publication'.

Cheers,

R.

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Dec 9, 2011 09:05:16   #
Grey Barn Studio Loc: Leroy OH
 
I was just going to post the same type of comment. 600dpi is pretty high resolution.

JimH wrote:
rivernan wrote:
go to the search engine above and put in copyright or watermark and you will probably find a slew of different answers to your question.
Good Answer. A slew, indeed. If not a plethora. Or a Cornucopia.

rivernan wrote:
<snip>keep your pictures at about 600dpi and they will be too small for anyone to bother trying to steal anyway.
I think you mean 600 pixels in width/height. 600 DPI is a fairly high PRINTING density (DOTS PER INCH), it has nothing per se to do with the size of an image. And sometimes you hear to convert images to 72 DPI, because that is a typical MONITOR or screen DPI, but is way to 'loose' for printing. If you printed a picture at 72 DPI, it would have the resolution of your typical newspaper photo, eg crappy.

It's all very confusioning because computer geeks like to keep everybody befuddled... :) - Makes 'em look more like witch doctors.
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Dec 9, 2011 09:12:43   #
nikonshooter Loc: Spartanburg, South Carolina
 
Roger Hicks wrote:
RMM wrote:
Do NOT use the copyright symbol © unless you have registered the copyright, which involves a fee.


No, that's simply not true.

EDIT: I see that the post above has covered most things very well, while I was writing the above.

I've had a LOT of stuff published (it's my livelihood) and I have a law degree, though I've never practised. The only thing I'd add to the post above is that 'publication' can be hard to define. Technically, sending a friend a print could constitute 'publication'.

Cheers,

R.
quote=RMM Do NOT use the copyright symbol © unles... (show quote)


I just got off the phone with PPA and they are saying the same thing. It is ok to use the © symbol whether you have registered or not.......... and Roger Hicks has got it right.

Good info

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Dec 9, 2011 09:27:47   #
wildman Loc: Bluffton, SC
 
nikonshooter,

You mentioned fractal software. Have you heard of AlienSkin Blowup? And if you have can you comment on it's effectiveness?

Thanks...

wildman

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Dec 9, 2011 09:40:36   #
fotogk Loc: Tuftonboro, NH
 
wildman wrote:
nikonshooter,

You mentioned fractal software. Have you heard of AlienSkin Blowup? And if you have can you comment on it's effectiveness?

Thanks...

wildman
I used geniune fractracl which was then taken over by alienskin, It is amazing take a 72 dpi thumbnail from the net and make a decent printable 8 x 10 in 30 seconds with some time make a great print

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Dec 9, 2011 09:47:27   #
jameslacr
 
Nikonshooter. You mentioned disabling the mouse click on a photo. Could you direct me to info on this.

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Dec 9, 2011 10:05:49   #
Fotog78155 Loc: Texas
 
Copyright notice was required under the 1976 Copyright Act. This requirement was eliminated when the United States adhered to the Berne Convention, effective March 1, 1989.

A copyright notice or copyright symbol is an identifier placed on copies of the work to inform the world of copyright ownership. While use of a copyright notice was once required as a condition of copyright protection, it is now optional. Use of the copyright notice is the responsibility of the copyright owner and does not require advance permission from, or registration with the Copyright Office

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Dec 9, 2011 10:21:44   #
bbreslow518
 
Publication does not necessarily refer to when the work was released to the public, but when it was created. After you have completed PP on your image and saved it for the final time, the image is considered published. If you do no PP, then the image would be considered published once taken and saved.

For some reason the subject of copyright creates much confusion. Simply put, if you shoot it, you immediately hold the copyright to the image. If the image is published by anyone without your permission you have the right to sue and any monies made after the initial cease and desist order in many cases would be payable to you as well as legal fees. Whatever the reason, the violator must receive a cease and desist before a formal suit is brought.

I have had some of my work (not photographs) posted on websites for sale or otherwise offered for download and have never had to resort to anything more than asking the offender to remove the item. On one occasion we were able to strike a deal that was mutually acceptable and I sent them written permission to use the work.

I am not a lawyer, but have had numerous conversations with the US Copyright Office and done much reading on the subject. Often I am the person sending emails asking a photographer for permission to use their work for different things.

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Dec 9, 2011 11:10:29   #
billybob40
 
Poor mans copyright. print it and mail it to your self, put all info in with it, and file it away, DO NOT OPEN IT. This will stand up it count.
copyright symbol © is pinding, an R is registered the copyright.

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Dec 9, 2011 11:50:34   #
nikonshooter Loc: Spartanburg, South Carolina
 
jameslacr wrote:
Nikonshooter. You mentioned disabling the mouse click on a photo. Could you direct me to info on this.


Do you use Dreamweaver CS5?

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Dec 9, 2011 11:53:19   #
nikonshooter Loc: Spartanburg, South Carolina
 
wildman wrote:
nikonshooter,

You mentioned fractal software. Have you heard of AlienSkin Blowup? And if you have can you comment on it's effectiveness?

Thanks...

wildman


We do not use it. We do use the Bokeh program by Alien Skin. OnOne software has a genuine fractals program that will let you resize (rez-up) to incredible sizes....from 72 dpi to 300. But the only time we use fractals is when we are taking a image that is already hi-res and makiing it even higher. For example, we were given a job of hanging large prints throughout a stadium press box - 48 in by 60 in. Although we shot the images with the Nikon D3X and D3S cameras - with the former producing an acceptable print....the D3S needed a fractal boost.

We also use a RIP program called Image Print by Colorbyte software. Will Crockett had told us that this program would rez-up a file without using a third party fractal program. He was right. Drag the current size into it's print template and print away. Does an awesome job. (they should pay me for advertising for them)

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Dec 9, 2011 11:56:28   #
ShelterCove Loc: Nowhere, CA
 
nikonshooter wrote:
RMM wrote:
Do NOT use the copyright symbol © unless you have registered the copyright, which involves a fee. However, you can say "Coypright 2011" without the symbol. Even if you don't, you are the copyright owner. If someone violates your copyright, the onus is on you to prove it, unless you have registered it. In that case, it's "No contest."


I too have not heard of that but there's a world of gotchas I haven't heard of. I doubt I will stop using. A few years back I did have a issue with a website and company who pulled some of my cityscape pictures of Atlanta for their website. They had cropped my ©copyright out of the image. Here is what I was told:

To contact them and request the picture be taken down (which I did and they did)

That unless registered with the US Copyright office, I could sue and the picture is legally mine but I would not be entitled to monies for my legal fees. So, no one sues as your outcome willl be a cease and desist and a lot of cost

My pictures are only protected in the US unless registered.....and even those images have limited protection.

If registered with the US Copyright office (which comes with a modest fee and you can send more than one image with your request but each request requires a fee) you are entitled to damages, attorney fees and legally sit in a position where the defendant sits in an indefensible position.

Someone mentioned resize your website images.....for the web. You should regardless of the copyright issues. Monitors are running at 72dpi so your images should be sized to that dpi (it's like trying to put more water in a glass that is full to add more dpi) and I usually stay with 1000 pixels at the longest edge or less. I do this for web space only. Anyone who wants one of my pictures can snag it (even though I disable their mouse clicks).......and with the fractal programs can easily res-up most images to a very printable size at 8x10 with few if any artifacts. In fact, with CS5, their res-us capabilities improved tremendously. OnOne has a fractal program that also does wonders.

I am involved with PPA and will try to get clarification on the © question.

Thanks for the heads up!

Well, this is certainly more complex than I imagined. Unless someone else is really interested in the bottom line, I think I will continue to use the symbol, as many people do, unregistered.

The only trouble I've had, or at least that I was aware of, was someone on Facebook "borrowing" some of my images. I contacted them and they refused to take them down. I contacted FB and within 36 hours they were removed from the other person's page. FB was great. I connected with a real person and they took real action. Thanks for all the research!


















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