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Dec 7, 2011 15:41:01   #
steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA
 
If you were on a battle field getting shot at, it seems pretty sane to me, even if a little sticky. The tape was the old friction variety, sort of sticky but not like some of the others. The soot part may have been added in for flavor, but I don't doubt the friction tape part, at all.

The cost of a black car, or one with chrome, doesn't have anything to do with black cameras. As it has already been stated, black cameras in the beginning were 20-30 dollars higher. A reflection in cost of better than a hundred dollars, in today's devalued money.

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Dec 7, 2011 15:55:37   #
Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine
 
steve40 wrote:
. As it has already been stated, black cameras in the beginning were 20-30 dollars higher. .


No they weren't. 1933 Leica catalogue: LYSUM (black enamel III + Summar) GBP 33:13s.0d. LYSUMCHROM (chrome version) GBP 34:17s:0d. That's 34/- more, or at the exchange rate of the time, about $8 more, God knows how much in 2011 dollars.

As for stickiness on a battlefield, if your fingers are too sticky to operate the camera, change film, etc., there's not much point in being there.

Taping the occasional bright bit, such as the front of an F prism, sure, I can believe that. Taping the whole camera, no way. Basically, black cameras became a fashion statement in the 60s.

I hesitate to ask where you got the story from, because I'm sure that like me, you can't exactly remember and are not prepared to waste the time needed to find out, but I really suggest that this is the photographic equivalent of an urban myth.

Cheers,

R.

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Dec 7, 2011 17:07:39   #
steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA
 
I read it from a photography book, long before I ever knew anything, about the internet.
A lica & Europe, maybe chrome was more expensive. But in the USA black like I said, was 20-30 dollars more than chrome & leather.

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Dec 8, 2011 03:06:04   #
Roger Hicks Loc: Aquitaine
 
steve40 wrote:
I read it from a photography book, long before I ever knew anything, about the internet.
A lica & Europe, maybe chrome was more expensive. But in the USA black like I said, was 20-30 dollars more than chrome & leather.


In the 1960s, quite probably, but I sincerely doubt that was true in the 1930s.Check some old catalogues or advertisements.

If the fashion for black cameras really had been anything to do with war photography, or with trying to look 'pro', there'd have been a lot more black cameras after WW2. After all, it was easier and cheaper to use black paint. And do you really believe that (for example) fashion or advertising photographers in London in the 60s and 70s bought black Nikons because they wanted to look 'pro'? No. It was just a fashion, and it affected professionals alongside amateurs (I was there).

As for reading things in photography books, don't necessarily assume that the author knew what he was talking about on every single point. I speak from experience: I've written quite a few, including A History of the 35mm Still Camera (Focal Press, 1984) and hundreds or probably thousands of articles in photo magazines.

I know I've made mistakes, recited inaccurate received wisdom, and told in good faith stories I believed to be true. I also know I'm not alone in this: surprisingly many of my friends have also written books on photography, and they're not always right either. This is why I'm ever more skeptical and ever more cautious as I get older, and why I look harder and harder at things I believe to be myths.

Cheers,

R.

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Dec 8, 2011 05:44:07   #
randymoe
 
My Pentax H3 from the 50's, no light meter, had a beautiful leather case I used all the time. While in that case it was dropped off a bridge onto rocks which put a huge dent in the aluminum cover over the prism. It looked fatal, but had no working effect. Unfortunately I gave to my nephew who has never used it and cannot find it. I bought a Spotmatic last summer for me, but it does not have the dent or the nice case!

Fuji is currently selling as an accessory a very nice leather case for their real nice X100. See, http://www.adorama.com/IFJCSX100.html

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Dec 8, 2011 06:17:29   #
BBNC
 
I wonder...are the pro cameras of today as stout and tough as the pro cameras of yesteryear. Those old Nikons and Leicas could "take a licking, and keep on ticking." My Minolta 7D has a metal body (except for the back) and is built like a tank (about the same weight, too.)

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Dec 8, 2011 06:19:35   #
rayford2 Loc: New Bethlehem, PA
 
Leather, as attractive and durable as it may be, does have a bad disadvantage.
It attracts moisture. Anything rustable that remains in contact with it for a length of time will rust.
Ask any professional gunsmith.

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Dec 8, 2011 06:43:07   #
George H Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Remember when almost all photographic equipment came with nice leather cases? My first "good" camera was an Agfa, with a case. Then I got a couple of Mirandas and a Nikon F. I had a Minox C, and the camera and all the accessories had little leather cases.

The nice thing about the case, aside from the protection, was that you could remove the front and leave the basic case attached. The camera would be protected on four sides, would have a neck strap, and was ready to shoot.

Even accessory lenses came with nice cases. Now we get a plastic bag with suffocating warnings in ten different languages.
Remember when almost all photographic equipment ca... (show quote)


Jerry,
I sure do remember those cases, they were a pain in the ass especially if you did a lot of can changes. Nice protection for sure but not practical for a pro.


George

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Dec 8, 2011 08:04:45   #
fuzzypic
 
Yawn

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Dec 8, 2011 08:24:58   #
photocat Loc: Atlanta, Ga
 
I remember those and it was the first thing I got rid of; changing film with one on was a nightmare.

Perhaps if one is using one roll of film on occassion, no problem, try 10 or 15 rolls a day and see just how much fun that ends of being.

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Dec 8, 2011 08:44:44   #
Blake Loc: Alfred NY
 
steve40 wrote:
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As for the black cameras, yes, I've heard that too, but I wonder how true it is: shiny black is still shiny. My suspicion is just that they're prettier.


You must not, have read the whole story. The black used then was soot and friction tape, there was no shiny to it. And was self applied. Later the manufactures picked up on it, and began to make "pro series" cameras; that were shiny black.
Then if you wanted to make a pro statement!, you could buy yourself a black camera. Did that make you a pro?, well ..... that's debatable.

Steve40,
You can still get friction tape. Power compnies still require it for some line work. However, can anyone tell me the complete story behind a black body camera. Right now there is an assumption that we all know. I think that I'm cottoning on here but, I would like to know for certain.
Blake

Hey!, can you imagine putting soot and friction tape, on a wimpy digital camera. :lol:
quote As for the black cameras, yes, I've heard t... (show quote)

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Dec 8, 2011 09:27:59   #
Unclewiggley Loc: Winter Haven, FL
 
I still have the case that came with my Canon T-90 and a Soligor tele-converter and Kalimar zoom lens. Never used the case for the T-90. Now I don't use the camera or the lenses anymore either. I guess you call that progress.

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Dec 8, 2011 10:28:33   #
jerry.spielman Loc: West Windsor, N.J.
 
Best leather case I ever had with one of my cameras was back in 1952 when I bought a Rolleiflex. It was also functional.
When I went to 35mm cameras I never really used the cases that came with them.

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Dec 8, 2011 10:36:43   #
phoenix Loc: England, but currently living in AZ
 
I know... even Nostalgia isn't what it used to be......... ;~)

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Dec 8, 2011 10:44:01   #
photocat Loc: Atlanta, Ga
 
My nikon lens came with nice cloth type "cases" and the 70-200 2.8 it's own carrying case. Which of course I never use ;)

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