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Mar 9, 2013 05:54:49   #
Underwaterant
 
NOTLguy wrote:
I can see that the issue of gun control isn't going to go away any time soon, so I would like to pose a question:

Do you believe that everyone should be allowed to carry guns on aeroplanes?

If yes, would you feel more or less safe flying than you do today?

If no, and you feel that flying would be more dangerous, then why not adopt the same rules for day-to day life on the streets?

I'm just asking :?:


It's a separate issue of being licensed and trustworthy to conceal and carry, compared to being able to accurately send one out to a hostage taker in extreme stress situations without hitting an innocent bystander or aircraft structure.
You are not trained for that, even dreaming security guards.

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Mar 9, 2013 06:25:13   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
Danilo wrote:
Insofar as our 2nd Amendment is in place, and wasn't just tossed into the Constitution for grins and giggles, I think anyone who possesses a concealed carry permit should be able to take their firearm anywhere they wish. There is little or no evidence that permit holders are a danger to anyone, except the criminally inclined.


Just out of interest, do you think it is possible that Americans could discuss gun ownership WITHOUT making any reference to the 2nd Amendment? That way, maybe the debate could concentrate on the actual pros and cons of widespread gun ownership, rather than on the relative value of decisions made by a group of men (no women, of course) over 200 years ago. It might also allow the rest of the world to join in the debate without being accused of poking their noses in where they're not wanted. Gun control is not just a US issue.

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Mar 9, 2013 06:47:07   #
shadows creation Loc: san antonio
 
Just a quick question for BOTH side of the coin here, where would america be today if the colonies adapted the rule of no guns? 8-)

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Mar 9, 2013 06:55:05   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
NOTLguy wrote:
I can see that the issue of gun control isn't going to go away any time soon, so I would like to pose a question:

Do you believe that everyone should be allowed to carry guns on aeroplanes?

If yes, would you feel more or less safe flying than you do today?

If no, and you feel that flying would be more dangerous, then why not adopt the same rules for day-to day life on the streets?

I'm just asking :?:


First of all, what is an 'aeroplane'?

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Mar 9, 2013 07:05:41   #
Kombiguy Loc: Cedar Rapids, IA
 
As a gedanken, would the outcome of the flights that struck the WTC on 9/11 have been any worse if all the passengers had been armed?
I tend to think the outcome could only have been better.

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Mar 9, 2013 07:13:10   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
Julian wrote:
NOTLguy wrote:
I can see that the issue of gun control isn't going to go away any time soon, so I would like to pose a question:

Do you believe that everyone should be allowed to carry guns on aeroplanes?

If yes, would you feel more or less safe flying than you do today?

If no, and you feel that flying would be more dangerous, then why not adopt the same rules for day-to day life on the streets?

I'm just asking :?:


First of all, what is an 'aeroplane'?
quote=NOTLguy I can see that the issue of gun con... (show quote)


It's the English word for what Americans call an 'airplane'

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Mar 9, 2013 07:22:22   #
TimS Loc: GA
 
Gun owners ARE allowed to fly with their guns on aircraft in the USA. I've flown with mine a couple times - in my checked baggage. I think restricting who can carry a firearm to trained LEO on aircraft is logical. An errant shot - even if it doesn't hit anybody can still take down an aircraft.

Background checks when purchasing a gun are nowhere near the scrutiny that would need to be employed to ensure the person isn't a potential terrorist. If everyone had to pay $4000 for a high public confidence national security/ restricted data background check just to purchase that Ruger LCP then yeah, sure - let them carry after they obtain specialized aircraft training. I suspect most people don't want to wait 6 months before they can take possession of their gun.

As far as churches and so forth, it should not NOT be law prohibiting carrying there. Churches are private orgs and it should be up to each church to set their own policy. If some nit wit fires an errant shot in a church and hits nobody - aside from a lot of panic, the church will not fall 35,000 feet killing everyone.

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Mar 9, 2013 07:26:15   #
Kombiguy Loc: Cedar Rapids, IA
 
Bazamac wrote:

Just out of interest, do you think it is possible that Americans could discuss gun ownership WITHOUT making any reference to the 2nd Amendment? That way, maybe the debate could concentrate on the actual pros and cons of widespread gun ownership, rather than on the relative value of decisions made by a group of men (no women, of course) over 200 years ago. It might also allow the rest of the world to join in the debate without being accused of poking their noses in where they're not wanted. Gun control is not just a US issue.
br Just out of interest, do you think it is possi... (show quote)


I find it humorous that an Englishman, from a country with a monarchy over a thousand years old, complains that our constitution was written a mere 200 years ago.

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Mar 9, 2013 07:29:39   #
Underwaterant
 
This can be taken jokingly, sarcastically, or seriously.
However some may agree ??

If guns never existed, America would not exist in history !! ??

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Mar 9, 2013 07:43:07   #
Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK
 
Kombiguy wrote:
Bazamac wrote:

Just out of interest, do you think it is possible that Americans could discuss gun ownership WITHOUT making any reference to the 2nd Amendment? That way, maybe the debate could concentrate on the actual pros and cons of widespread gun ownership, rather than on the relative value of decisions made by a group of men (no women, of course) over 200 years ago. It might also allow the rest of the world to join in the debate without being accused of poking their noses in where they're not wanted. Gun control is not just a US issue.
br Just out of interest, do you think it is possi... (show quote)


I find it humorous that an Englishman, from a country with a monarchy over a thousand years old, complains that our constitution was written a mere 200 years ago.
quote=Bazamac br Just out of interest, do you th... (show quote)


Yes, we'll I'm a republican (small r, please!) and would abolish the monarchy in a flash given the chance. So comments about the monarchy are neither here nor there to me.

Anyway, i wasn't complaining that the US constitution was written 200 years ago, just querying the relevance of parts of it today and wondering if the constant references to it by supporters of gun control obscure the real debate about the pros and cons of widespread/unrestricted gun ownership.

The US Constitution itself I regard as generally excellent, forged as it was during the revolutionary fervour of the late 18th century. Ironically, that fervour also gave rise to the abolition of another monarchy and the establishment of a republic in another country - that country is one of the bêtes noires of the American right -France! Excellent as the US Constitution was, however, nothing is perfect and, as times change, it's reasonable to suggest that it might need reviewing from time to time - there's a clue in the term "2nd amendment" somewhere.

So my point is that surely it is better to consider the merits or demerits of gun ownership or restrictions on that on their own terms and then decide whether changes in the law need to be made - and that applies everywhere in the world - the issue is not US specific.

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Mar 9, 2013 07:47:06   #
lovesphotos Loc: Colorado and Arizona
 
Spending a day confined in an airplane is not representative of day-to-day life.

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Mar 9, 2013 08:13:30   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
TimS wrote:

Background checks when purchasing a gun are nowhere near the scrutiny that would need to be employed to ensure the person isn't a potential terrorist. If everyone had to pay $4000 for a high public confidence national security/ restricted data background check just to purchase that Ruger LCP then yeah, sure - let them carry after they obtain specialized aircraft training. I suspect most people don't want to wait 6 months before they can take possession of their gun.


And while MOST holders of concealed weapons permits are responsible decent citizens, the current requirements to get a permit vary from state to state. In Florida you have to take a 2-hour course on gun laws and pass the background check. You may get a concealed carry permit having never actually held a weapon in your life! In other states there is an expectation that you have at least taken a handgun course like the one sponsored by the NRA, which emphasizes gun safety and requires some range time and familiarity with a pistol.

A RATIONAL approach would be not to register weapons but to register anyone allowed to possess any weapon other than a single-shot hunting rifle (about what the framers of our constitution were familiar with). No one other than a registered owner could possess or purchase pistols of any type or semi-automatic weapons.

But the REALITY is that a huge percentage of Americans, living under one of the most democratically elected governments in the world, fear their government! They are afraid of their elected government providing health care (and would rather get it from large multi-national corporations) and they feel that they need to be prepared for the day of a national uprising against their government. And THAT was the mindset of our founding fathers, so it will be hard to get rid of that.

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Mar 9, 2013 08:37:42   #
FutureLook Loc: Florida, USA
 
NOTLguy wrote:
I can see that the issue of gun control isn't going to go away any time soon, so I would like to pose a question:

Do you believe that everyone should be allowed to carry guns on aeroplanes?

If yes, would you feel more or less safe flying than you do today?

If no, and you feel that flying would be more dangerous, then why not adopt the same rules for day-to day life on the streets?

I'm just asking :?:


You posted a question but never made your comment. I would like to read your comments on this matter.

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Mar 9, 2013 08:41:42   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
As a long time gun owner and a staunch believer in the 2nd Ammendment I don't
believe that weapons should be carried inside the cabin, just checked in ba
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te=NOTLguy]I can see that the issue of gun control isn't going to go away any time soon, so I would like to pose a question:

Do you believe that everyone should be allowed to carry guns on aeroplanes?

If yes, would you feel more or less safe flying than you do today?

If no, and you feel that flying would be more dangerous, then why not adopt the same rules for day-to day life on the streets?

I'm just asking :?:[/quote]

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Mar 9, 2013 09:06:43   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
Terminator wrote:
No, I don't believe that is a right that should be exercised in an airplane, as it is not fair carry a torch around flammable liquids.

As for why,, it is simple. It is not reasonable to let people carry guns in an enclosure with pressure control and where people cannot run away for their safety. It is simple. The madman/woman would have control of many lives and they would have no chance. If all of them had guns... Pandemonium. I believe one has the right o protect oneself and family, but not at the expense of putting others in danger. That is what I consider fair and reasonable. that is why, since the wild wild west does not exist anymore, there should be more control of who can use guns. There are controls for drivers licenses, limited by knowledge of the law and physical fitness to drive. Same with guns! Same with guns!
No, I don't believe that is a right that should be... (show quote)


Nope.He asked his question of gun ADVOCATES,not gun CONTROL advocates.

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