I have just about used them ALL. I have Kiev 60's - They are junk ! The best investment in medium format IMHO is PENTAX 645N. Built in 2FPS motor, runs on AA batteries, a superb prism/viewfinder and takes excellent Pentax 645 lenses, pentax 6X7 lenses, or Zeiss/Kiev lenses made for the Pentagon six/Kiev 60 cameras with adapter ! Since Pentax makes the digital 645, all thses lenses are desireable for use on that camera as well - so there is a continueing market instead of a dead end.....See Ken Rockwell's reviews of Pentax 645 and lenses !
And what's even better? The C330 has interchangeable lenses!
mtnredhed wrote:
silver wrote:
For what you would end up spending for the Kiev crap, you could buy a Mamiya RB6x7 camera in excellent condition. People are having problems selling their Mamiya equipment so the prices are extremely low. The lenses can also be obtained for ridiculously cheap prices and the quality is really high.
You want to look for the ProS model which had the film/shutter interlocks. Also ask about the felt seals on the film backs. In lenses, you want to look for the "C" type, which were better coated/more contrast. In the RB's a 90mm/127mm is a standard lens, 65mm is wide angle. The 150 soft focus (make sure you get the disks) and the 180 make very nice portrait lenses. The RB's (and a lot of the 6x6 and 6x7's) used a leaf shutter in the lens. The top shutter speed was 1/400 and was rarely accurate, although the slower speeds were usually close enough. The RZ's used an electronic shutter, but I think they're still spendy since you can fit them with a Leaf back.
The RB was really a studio camera. I dragged mine into the field as it also made an awesome landscape camera but I got a good workout doing so. The 645's are way easier to handle, but I wanted a bigger step up from 35mm. There is NOTHING like looking down into that ground glass with both eyes. The 6x7 negs are pretty amazing too.
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The latest Mamiya RB lenses are the KL series. These lenses are the best for the RB camera and they are dirt cheap on Ebay.
Good story. I remember a real petite lady photographer who shot weddings locally with an RB67. To see her walking with the camera using a shoulder strap reminded me of the film of Patty Hearst in the bank robbery when she was involved with the SLA. I think the camera, lens combo weighed more that she did. :thumbup:
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Wow. My RB was way easier. If the body and the lens weren't in sync as far as the shutter being tripped, it didn't break anything. You just took the lens off and pushed in a pin. Lock ring style mount. Plus the body was made for manly men and manly women. It was built like a tank, and only weighed a little less. When the shutter tripped, nearby seismographs would record the event as the mirror swung up to the stops. I used to have to sandbag the tripod to keep the whole thing from going airborne.
Only wimps and girly men expect their film to advance when the shutter is cocked. Not the RB. No sir. Setting the shutter/mirror and advancing the film were two different levers both of which moved with the smoothness of the brake lever on a steam locomotive.
The original RB didn't even try and keep you from shooting with the darkslide in, or double exposure. Only later did they cave into the lightweights.
You want TTL metering? They had it. Built into the chimney finder (made out of real chimney bricks) was an arm that you swung into position. At the end of the arm was the light sensor the size of a frisbee and a match needle the size of the speedo from a '68 Caddy. And the meter took manly toxic mercury batteries that would kill you if you held them. It came with special tongs for handling them.
Then there were the massive, blacksmith like bellows that would let you track the lens out so far, it had to have an exposure compensation scale on the side.
And the tripod socket? Ha! It took a 3/8's carriage bolt and came with it's own torque wrench for tightening.
If you dropped the camera, you didn't check the camera for damage, you checked the floor!
;) Only parts of the above are true, but hey....
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Only an RB owner would know all of this.
Hello cousin!
Work provided me with 'blads.
When I bought for myself, I went with the RB.
GoofyNewfie wrote:
mtnredhed wrote:
Wow. My RB was way easier. If the body and the lens weren't in sync as far as the shutter being tripped, it didn't break anything. You just took the lens off and pushed in a pin. Lock ring style mount. Plus the body was made for manly men and manly women. It was built like a tank, and only weighed a little less. When the shutter tripped, nearby seismographs would record the event as the mirror swung up to the stops. I used to have to sandbag the tripod to keep the whole thing from going airborne.
Only wimps and girly men expect their film to advance when the shutter is cocked. Not the RB. No sir. Setting the shutter/mirror and advancing the film were two different levers both of which moved with the smoothness of the brake lever on a steam locomotive.
The original RB didn't even try and keep you from shooting with the darkslide in, or double exposure. Only later did they cave into the lightweights.
You want TTL metering? They had it. Built into the chimney finder (made out of real chimney bricks) was an arm that you swung into position. At the end of the arm was the light sensor the size of a frisbee and a match needle the size of the speedo from a '68 Caddy. And the meter took manly toxic mercury batteries that would kill you if you held them. It came with special tongs for handling them.
Then there were the massive, blacksmith like bellows that would let you track the lens out so far, it had to have an exposure compensation scale on the side.
And the tripod socket? Ha! It took a 3/8's carriage bolt and came with it's own torque wrench for tightening.
If you dropped the camera, you didn't check the camera for damage, you checked the floor!
;) Only parts of the above are true, but hey....
br Wow. My RB was way easier. If the body and... (
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Only an RB owner would know all of this.
Hello cousin!
Work provided me with 'blads.
When I bought for myself, I went with the RB.
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Slight correction. If you dropped the camera with a lens attached, Check your downstairs neighbor to see how many ambulances are needed.
mtnredhed wrote:
silver wrote:
For what you would end up spending for the Kiev crap, you could buy a Mamiya RB6x7 camera in excellent condition. People are having problems selling their Mamiya equipment so the prices are extremely low. The lenses can also be obtained for ridiculously cheap prices and the quality is really high.
You want to look for the ProS model which had the film/shutter interlocks. Also ask about the felt seals on the film backs. In lenses, you want to look for the "C" type, which were better coated/more contrast. In the RB's a 90mm/127mm is a standard lens, 65mm is wide angle. The 150 soft focus (make sure you get the disks) and the 180 make very nice portrait lenses. The RB's (and a lot of the 6x6 and 6x7's) used a leaf shutter in the lens. The top shutter speed was 1/400 and was rarely accurate, although the slower speeds were usually close enough. The RZ's used an electronic shutter, but I think they're still spendy since you can fit them with a Leaf back.
The RB was really a studio camera. I dragged mine into the field as it also made an awesome landscape camera but I got a good workout doing so. The 645's are way easier to handle, but I wanted a bigger step up from 35mm. There is NOTHING like looking down into that ground glass with both eyes. The 6x7 negs are pretty amazing too.
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I use my RB as a landscape camera. I really do not find it to be that bad. The rotating back is one of the best features ever as is the bellows focusing.
imagemeister wrote:
I have just about used them ALL. I have Kiev 60's - They are junk ! The best investment in medium format IMHO is PENTAX 645N. Built in 2FPS motor, runs on AA batteries, a superb prism/viewfinder and takes excellent Pentax 645 lenses, pentax 6X7 lenses, or Zeiss/Kiev lenses made for the Pentagon six/Kiev 60 cameras with adapter ! Since Pentax makes the digital 645, all thses lenses are desireable for use on that camera as well - so there is a continueing market instead of a dead end.....See Ken Rockwell's reviews of Pentax 645 and lenses !
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Oh, and I forgot to mention, TTL metering with dial in compensation and focus confirmation with all lenses !
Hi.
There's no contest with the Hass. The Kiev was heavy, clunky and noisy. I had two or three Mamiya C330 during my working career with two sets of twin-lenses. Finished my studio time with a Bronica. Found this pretty good and dependable. Philphotog. Perth UK
Wow! There are certainly alot of avenues. Hmm. Of course when it comes down to buying something I get a little edgy about buying stuff over the internet. The idea has never quite set well with me. But I do know that B&H is reputable.
This KEH Place certainly sounds interesting. As long as they have a telephone and are reputable I'm sure they wouldn't mind taking my order over the phone.
Now the biggest problem. What exactly to buy to start out. Tons of good suggestions,
Is there any chance everyone can agree on one or two solid items? That way I can narrow down the playing field to one or two viable starter kits for Medium format. :)
Thanks all. :)
Cheap toy, but interesting.
2 f/stops, one shutter setting is a bit limiting.
Lucian
Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
You need have no worries about dealing with KEH they are very reputable and trusted and used by many of us on here.
The Russian lenses for the Kiev 60 are good optically but can be suspect mechanically - and with adapter will fit Pentax 645N with focus confirmation. I seriously doubt you will get any agreements here ......... not many have used nearly all of them like I have . KEH is a great place to purchase anyhing !
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Cheap toy, but interesting.
2 f/stops, one shutter setting is a bit limiting.
But with free shipping and no sales tax, and for just $29.99 how can you go wrong? :shock: :shock:
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