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Feb 20, 2013 07:36:01   #
Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert
 
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Ka2azman wrote:
A gun, a car or anyother object does no harm till an A__hole uses it from the end of his own arms. It's the A__hole that controls the destiny of events. Its ignorance and conscientious stupid to think otherwise.


So any weapons should be allowed? The wanna-be-killers will always find a way to kill, so why not allow private individuals to own bazookas, cruise missiles and nuclear warheads? Makes no difference...


Hey Doc ..... ya left out grenades, the Britts in the UK have grenades .....

.....ya know the way a bull sees red and gets mad, well in the UK the Britts see a parking meter, the Queen gets the coin and the Britts are pissed, so they blow up parking meters with em doc .....

..... you should see what they do with baseball bats doc .....

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Feb 20, 2013 09:16:19   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Ka2azman wrote:
A gun, a car or anyother object does no harm till an A__hole uses it from the end of his own arms. It's the A__hole that controls the destiny of events. Its ignorance and conscientious stupid to think otherwise.


So any weapons should be allowed? The wanna-be-killers will always find a way to kill, so why not allow private individuals to own bazookas, cruise missiles and nuclear warheads? Makes no difference...


That is your standard reply.Do you not have anything else? Anything that makes even a smidgen of sense?

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Feb 20, 2013 09:23:39   #
photosbysexton Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
Your video example of a UK robbery is a scene from the movie Zombieland.
Wabbit wrote:
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Ka2azman wrote:
A gun, a car or anyother object does no harm till an A__hole uses it from the end of his own arms. It's the A__hole that controls the destiny of events. Its ignorance and conscientious stupid to think otherwise.


So any weapons should be allowed? The wanna-be-killers will always find a way to kill, so why not allow private individuals to own bazookas, cruise missiles and nuclear warheads? Makes no difference...


Hey Doc ..... ya left out grenades, the Britts in the UK have grenades .....

.....ya know the way a bull sees red and gets mad, well in the UK the Britts see a parking meter, the Queen gets the coin and the Britts are pissed, so they blow up parking meters with em doc .....

..... you should see what they do with baseball bats doc .....
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Feb 20, 2013 10:23:35   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Ka2azman wrote:
A gun, a car or anyother object does no harm till an A__hole uses it from the end of his own arms. It's the A__hole that controls the destiny of events. Its ignorance and conscientious stupid to think otherwise.


So any weapons should be allowed? The wanna-be-killers will always find a way to kill, so why not allow private individuals to own bazookas, cruise missiles and nuclear warheads? Makes no difference...


this is a standard lib line in just about any debate that they are unable to make a winning point. " well ! Why not let everyone have bazookas, and atom bombs " ( I picture this with writer leaned forward an hands on their hips) when you do that or start calling names you lose.



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Feb 20, 2013 13:30:28   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
roger allen wrote:
Hal81 wrote:
roger allen wrote:
handgunz wrote:
And there you have it folks a pro gun guy makes a statement that his idea of gun control is a well placed bullet and the anti gun guy's most intelligent response is "then shoot yourself dumbass!" This mentality is why we can't have a rational conversation on gun control. Who else agrees that liberal gun grabbers use emotion rather then reason for their relentless attack on the second amendment?


if you lose your right to the 2nd admendment it will be because of your stupid john wayne mentality and no sensiable gun leglisation because of your fear -
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I think old rodger powders his face with gun powder then shootes off his mouth.
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Hey at least i got hair !
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Take off your old hat and let us see.

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Feb 20, 2013 13:36:24   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
DougW wrote:
Jan F. Rasmussen wrote:
Ka2azman wrote:
A gun, a car or anyother object does no harm till an A__hole uses it from the end of his own arms. It's the A__hole that controls the destiny of events. Its ignorance and conscientious stupid to think otherwise.


So any weapons should be allowed? The wanna-be-killers will always find a way to kill, so why not allow private individuals to own bazookas, cruise missiles and nuclear warheads? Makes no difference...


this is a standard lib line in just about any debate that they are unable to make a winning point. " well ! Why not let everyone have bazookas, and atom bombs " ( I picture this with writer leaned forward an hands on their hips) when you do that or start calling names you lose.
quote=Jan F. Rasmussen quote=Ka2azman A gun, a ... (show quote)


Hay, They just had a buy back about a week or so ago I think it was in Trenton NJ. Somboby turned in a rocket launcher. They are all ready out there.

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Feb 20, 2013 14:15:28   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
Gang members here in la have " real " AKs and other automatic weapons.

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Feb 20, 2013 14:32:34   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
"Gun laws don't reduce gun violence they create gun free target zones."

This is what George Orwell would have called "factspeak." It is utterly at variance with the facts. Proper disarmament laws indeed reduce the gun murder rates. Look it up, genius, you find that nearly all Western European have a murder rate a fourth of ours. Every one of the advanced industrialized nations has a lower gun murder rate than we do. By what arrogant imperative do you gun supporters gloss over such facts to make ex cathedra declarations such as the one quoted above?

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Feb 20, 2013 14:34:33   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
Eugene wrote:
WABBITT!!!!!! That's just shameful.
Wabbit wrote:
PNagy wrote:
Wabbit wrote:
PNagy wrote:


"A record number of people applied for a license to carry concealed firearms last year in the Lehigh Valley, and early indicators in 2013 show that demand isn't slowing down."

What is this supposed to prove? There is always an increase in gun purchases after a major mass murder with guns. The overall gun ownership in the US has been on a stead decline for at least two decades. During this time there has been a corresponding drop in gun violence, showing that the number of guns in circulation varies directly with gun violence.
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Hey Doc ..... yak,yak,yak,
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You started this thread, Wabbit. The least you could do is address the merits of what I said. Whether or not I am boring is not the issue. The issue here is the three decade correlation between the decline in gun ownership in the US and the corresponding decline in gun violence, including murder. I don't think that can be said in a more entertaining manner.

It is your task in debate to attempt showing that correlation is somehow meaningless. Are you going to answer the point, or just continue to disgrace the human cerebrum?
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Hey Doc ..... how's this doc .....
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WABBITT!!!!!! That's just shameful. quote=Wabbit ... (show quote)


How is it? Just what I have come to expect from you; a flatline eeg.

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Feb 20, 2013 14:36:48   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
Wabbit wrote:
Eugene wrote:
WABBITT!!!!!! That's just shameful.
Wabbit wrote:
PNagy wrote:
Wabbit wrote:
PNagy wrote:


"A record number of people applied for a license to carry concealed firearms last year in the Lehigh Valley, and early indicators in 2013 show that demand isn't slowing down."

What is this supposed to prove? There is always an increase in gun purchases after a major mass murder with guns. The overall gun ownership in the US has been on a stead decline for at least two decades. During this time there has been a corresponding drop in gun violence, showing that the number of guns in circulation varies directly with gun violence.
quote=Wabbit Nope br br http://www.examiner.com/... (show quote)


Hey Doc ..... yak,yak,yak,
quote=PNagy quote=Wabbit Nope br br http://www.... (show quote)


You started this thread, Wabbit. The least you could do is address the merits of what I said. Whether or not I am boring is not the issue. The issue here is the three decade correlation between the decline in gun ownership in the US and the corresponding decline in gun violence, including murder. I don't think that can be said in a more entertaining manner.

It is your task in debate to attempt showing that correlation is somehow meaningless. Are you going to answer the point, or just continue to disgrace the human cerebrum?
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Hey Doc ..... how's this doc .....
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WABBITT!!!!!! That's just shameful. quote=Wabbit ... (show quote)


Hey Doc ..... and when I turn in tonight I'll sleep like a baby .....
quote=Eugene WABBITT!!!!!! That's just shameful. ... (show quote)


Why not? You think like one.

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Feb 20, 2013 14:50:53   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
"If gun control was really on the minds of the average citizen - why aren't there laws. It's because the average citizen doesn't want it. The few liberals that are doing the yelling are trying to do it by an old adage "The squeaky wheel get the grease". When it come time to acutally vote, the liberals find out they don't have the backing of the average citizen."

This is an abject non sequitur. There is very little correlation between the passage of laws and the national will. Laws are passed by Congress and approved by a president who came to power on the strength of corporate campaign contributions. They do not poll people on what they want, but serve mostly that corporate agenda. Sometimes there is an exception due to what you call the squeaky wheel.

When a small extremely vocal group makes enough demands, it can win. That appears to be the case with gun ownership. Although there are three hundred million guns in the US, most gun owners have several. Most estimates place the percentage of gun owners at about 33%. It is hardly credible that the other two thirds, who don't love guns enough to have one would vociferously fight for the imaginary right of gun nuts to pack whatever they want.

Your statement about liberals is equally ignorant. Ronald Reagan turned it into a dirty word, the "L-word," which was so horrid, he couldn't even say it. The liberal agenda is for the common man. It is responsible for all the worthwhile social gains in the history of the country, including extension of the franchise to the average man, abolition, woman suffrage, fair labor standards, -the kind that took four year olds out of coal mines- the civil rights movement, gay rights, etc.

Your post takes on the character of a victory lap, as if you think you really told off the person to whom you responded. In fact, you have laid down a thick, noxious tissue of verbal carcinoma.

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Feb 20, 2013 14:55:41   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
"A gun, a car or anyother object does no harm till an A__hole uses it from the end of his own arms. It's the A__hole that controls the destiny of events. Its ignorance and conscientious stupid to think otherwise."

I would not make such a statement, even if my brain malfunctioned enough to believe it, because this is an indictment of your intellect. About 99% of the reason for having guns is to tear through flesh and bone. In fact, they were invented for that purpose. Motor vehicles, on the other hand, are vital for transportation of foods and other supplies to urban areas. The accidental deaths, or the few premeditated ones caused by automobiles is regrettable, but eliminating automobiles would result in mass starvation, whereas eliminating guns would result in no harm.

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Feb 20, 2013 15:01:03   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
"Gun Control starts with person holding it!"

Breath-taking nonsense! This makes about as much sense as the banksters arguing that they could better serve the public if all regulations were repealed. They would police themselves. This member is arguing that we should leave control up to individuals.

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Feb 20, 2013 15:04:18   #
photosbysexton Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
Another thought perhaps? A moron with an education and a flair for stringing words together, is still a moron.

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Feb 20, 2013 15:07:08   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
mwoods222 wrote:
Mexico has a ban on all guns but more deaths from guns than a war zone


Mexico is a third world country. Nearly all third world countries have higher murder rates than the most murderous advanced industrialized country, the United States. However, the US has the most licentious gun laws among the advanced industrialized countries, and the highest murder rate, so what was your point?

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