does this help your perspective
Elfstop wrote:
Radioman wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
Wabbit wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
The rest of the story....in the first video the home owner pursues the burglars and fires on them....that's against the law because they were no longer a threat and he should have been charged...I quit watching this bull**** when that loony ass Jesse Ventura started speaking...
And Obama is not anti gun.
Hey Doc ..... that depends on the State your in my friend ..... you've been watching too many metropolitan news casts ..... where I come from that's grounds for huntin em down, ya get a medal for each one you shoot!
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NO State allows you to chase down and shoot a fleeing subject that is NO threat to you or others and kill them or even assault them. I don't know where you come from but there are no places that give out medals for that either.
Not saying it's not a good ideal tho. I am a police officer and in Tennessee it's against the law.
And you have been watching too many Elmer Fudd re-runs from the 30's....lol.
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"NO State allows you to chase down and shoot a fleeing subject that is NO threat to you or others "
If a 'subject' has used a weapon against you - then are they not a ''threat to others" ?
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Of course they are....if they used it. If like the video showed a bunch of thugs runs in and gets surprised by a well armed homeowner with a gun..then they flee you simply cannot track them down and kill them. That video was of a retaliatory strike by drug dealers that failed. Home owner should have payed for the dope.
But like the silly wabbit thinks...you can't kill trespassers.
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I bet the homeowner does not get charged, even in retreat 4 armed men pose a threat to the homeowner's life, if he does not keep pressure on them they could retaliate, beyond that you are wrong about the laws, many states have laws that extend beyond the castle doctrine, a few years back a man in Texas shot burglars coming out of the window of his neighbors home and he was not convicted of any crime...
Elfstop wrote:
Wabbit wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
Wabbit wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
The rest of the story....in the first video the home owner pursues the burglars and fires on them....that's against the law because they were no longer a threat and he should have been charged...I quit watching this bull**** when that loony ass Jesse Ventura started speaking...
And Obama is not anti gun.
Hey Doc ..... that depends on the State your in my friend ..... you've been watching too many metropolitan news casts ..... where I come from that's grounds for huntin em down, ya get a medal for each one you shoot!
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NO State allows you to chase down and shoot a fleeing subject that is NO threat to you or others and kill them or even assault them. I don't know where you come from but there are no places that give out medals for that either.
Not saying it's not a good ideal tho. I am a police officer and in Tennessee it's against the law.
And you have been watching too many Elmer Fudd re-runs from the 30's....lol.
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Hey Doc ..... a small ranch here is 30 acres ..... my spread is over 250 ..... perps trespassing carrying long guns as portrayed in that video ..... would be target practice ..... you'd have the right to use deadly physical force .....
..... only an Idiot would say that perps, weapons in hand fleeing or not would be no threat ..... they're holding weapons, they're a threat .....
..... are ya familiar with your Castle Doctrine doc, I don't think that ya are, and I don't think you're a cop, I think you're full of yourself .....
..... go back to bed sucking your thumb dummy, you're now exposed .....
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No you can't shoot perps with long guns for trespassing in any state... target practice ? You are as silly as all that bugs bunny cartoon stuff..
And that doctrine does not apply to trespassers on land...you should stop watching all that outdated bugs bunny silly stuff, grow up and read that doctrine better.
And if you are no older than you act I apologize to your parents.
And Hey Doc...Lol I don't care what you think...
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Hey Doc ..... Hey listen up Barney ..... always wanted to know, do you have a live round in both front pockets or just the right one .....
.....remember Fife, be more careful, impersonating law enforcement is against the law and could get you some jail time .....
..... FYI in addition to a Castle Doctrine we have a very Strong Stand Your Ground Law ..... you may want to look this up to see what it means dummy ..... we don't have home invasions in Arizona ..... even idiots aren't dumb enough .....
..... take out a few perps like in the video, ya get a 18k gold watch, a Las Vegas vacation for 2 at the resort of your choice, and 500 rounds of center fire ammunition ..... all paid for by the State of Arizona .....
Morrisdh wrote:
Elfstop Just checked your bio out, are you really Joe Biden or
just another left wing nut.
I wonder why all their locations say: In hiding?
Think about this. The first video, the homeowner has an extensive surveillance system and assault weapons readily available. He's attacked by three men with assault rifles.
He's either a drug dealer or he lives in Islamabad.
Really. Lot more to this story than it shows.
Blurryeyed wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
Radioman wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
Wabbit wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
The rest of the story....in the first video the home owner pursues the burglars and fires on them....that's against the law because they were no longer a threat and he should have been charged...I quit watching this bull**** when that loony ass Jesse Ventura started speaking...
And Obama is not anti gun.
Hey Doc ..... that depends on the State your in my friend ..... you've been watching too many metropolitan news casts ..... where I come from that's grounds for huntin em down, ya get a medal for each one you shoot!
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NO State allows you to chase down and shoot a fleeing subject that is NO threat to you or others and kill them or even assault them. I don't know where you come from but there are no places that give out medals for that either.
Not saying it's not a good ideal tho. I am a police officer and in Tennessee it's against the law.
And you have been watching too many Elmer Fudd re-runs from the 30's....lol.
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"NO State allows you to chase down and shoot a fleeing subject that is NO threat to you or others "
If a 'subject' has used a weapon against you - then are they not a ''threat to others" ?
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Of course they are....if they used it. If like the video showed a bunch of thugs runs in and gets surprised by a well armed homeowner with a gun..then they flee you simply cannot track them down and kill them. That video was of a retaliatory strike by drug dealers that failed. Home owner should have payed for the dope.
But like the silly wabbit thinks...you can't kill trespassers.
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I bet the homeowner does not get charged, even in retreat 4 armed men pose a threat to the homeowner's life, if he does not keep pressure on them they could retaliate, beyond that you are wrong about the laws, many states have laws that extend beyond the castle doctrine, a few years back a man in Texas shot burglars coming out of the window of his neighbors home and he was not convicted of any crime...
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Hey Doc ..... in most States Deadly Physical Force is a legal option .....
..... our Barney doesn't know this cause he is a custodian at a local Sheriffs office in Tennessee .....
..... the only thing he's toting is a broom .....
Right to use "Deadly Physical Force":
1. stop the commission of an Arson
2. stop the commission of a Rape
3. self defense when you feel that your life or the life of someone under your domain's life is in danger from Physical Force
4. stop the commission of a violent Felony that could involve the safety of other human life when Using Deadly Physical Force was your only alternative
And as usual when the left can't refute or successfully debate they start with the name calling. P. Morgan comes off pretty stupid by getting angry and saying " you stupid man ".
Frank T wrote:
Think about this. The first video, the homeowner has an extensive surveillance system and assault weapons readily available. He's attacked by three men with assault rifles.
He's either a drug dealer or he lives in Islamabad.
Really. Lot more to this story than it shows.
Hey Doc ..... he happens to be a Sheriff, looks like we have another dummy on this thread .....
In reference to Elfstops reply "No state" allows you to chase down a criminal..........You are wrong on this. Case in point: Walla Walla Washington, for the second time in ten years, the owner of a local store with a shotgun in hand, shoots a burglar outside in the parking lot as he was fleeing the scene of the crime. The burglar broke into the store through a window and attempted to steel items in a show case. The owner, who was in the back room at the time, several hours before store opening time, heard the person, grabbed his shotgun and shot the burglar as he was trying to leave the scene. The burglar was shot DEAD at the scene out in the parking lot, and the owner DID NOT commit a crime, according to Washington State Law. He had the right to protect himself and his property. No charges were filed and the lawsuit by the burglars parents was dismissed without compensation. This was the second time in 10 years with the same scenario with the same results.
Wabbit wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
Wabbit wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
Wabbit wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
The rest of the story....in the first video the home owner pursues the burglars and fires on them....that's against the law because they were no longer a threat and he should have been charged...I quit watching this bull**** when that loony ass Jesse Ventura started speaking...
And Obama is not anti gun.
Hey Doc ..... that depends on the State your in my friend ..... you've been watching too many metropolitan news casts ..... where I come from that's grounds for huntin em down, ya get a medal for each one you shoot!
quote=Elfstop The rest of the story....in the fir... (
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NO State allows you to chase down and shoot a fleeing subject that is NO threat to you or others and kill them or even assault them. I don't know where you come from but there are no places that give out medals for that either.
Not saying it's not a good ideal tho. I am a police officer and in Tennessee it's against the law.
And you have been watching too many Elmer Fudd re-runs from the 30's....lol.
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Hey Doc ..... a small ranch here is 30 acres ..... my spread is over 250 ..... perps trespassing carrying long guns as portrayed in that video ..... would be target practice ..... you'd have the right to use deadly physical force .....
..... only an Idiot would say that perps, weapons in hand fleeing or not would be no threat ..... they're holding weapons, they're a threat .....
..... are ya familiar with your Castle Doctrine doc, I don't think that ya are, and I don't think you're a cop, I think you're full of yourself .....
..... go back to bed sucking your thumb dummy, you're now exposed .....
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No you can't shoot perps with long guns for trespassing in any state... target practice ? You are as silly as all that bugs bunny cartoon stuff..
And that doctrine does not apply to trespassers on land...you should stop watching all that outdated bugs bunny silly stuff, grow up and read that doctrine better.
And if you are no older than you act I apologize to your parents.
And Hey Doc...Lol I don't care what you think...
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Hey Doc ..... Hey listen up Barney ..... always wanted to know, do you have a live round in both front pockets or just the right one .....
.....remember Fife, be more careful, impersonating law enforcement is against the law and could get you some jail time .....
..... FYI in addition to a Castle Doctrine we have a very Strong Stand Your Ground Law ..... you may want to look this up to see what it means dummy ..... we don't have home invasions in Arizona ..... even idiots aren't dumb enough .....
..... take out a few perps like in the video, ya get a 18k gold watch, a Las Vegas vacation for 2 at the resort of your choice, and 500 rounds of center fire ammunition ..... all paid for by the State of Arizona .....
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Lol that really got to you about that silly wabbit stuff...wow
sundancer2004 wrote:
Morrisdh wrote:
Elfstop Just checked your bio out, are you really Joe Biden or
just another left wing nut.
I wonder why all their locations say: In hiding?
Yeah at least your info is narrowed down to a STATE.
Wabbit wrote:
Frank T wrote:
Think about this. The first video, the homeowner has an extensive surveillance system and assault weapons readily available. He's attacked by three men with assault rifles.
He's either a drug dealer or he lives in Islamabad.
Really. Lot more to this story than it shows.
Hey Doc ..... he happens to be a Sheriff, looks like we have another dummy on this thread .....
Better than being a dumbass.
rmclodius47 wrote:
In reference to Elfstops reply "No state" allows you to chase down a criminal..........You are wrong on this. Case in point: Walla Walla Washington, for the second time in ten years, the owner of a local store with a shotgun in hand, shoots a burglar outside in the parking lot as he was fleeing the scene of the crime. The burglar broke into the store through a window and attempted to steel items in a show case. The owner, who was in the back room at the time, several hours before store opening time, heard the person, grabbed his shotgun and shot the burglar as he was trying to leave the scene. The burglar was shot DEAD at the scene out in the parking lot, and the owner DID NOT commit a crime, according to Washington State Law. He had the right to protect himself and his property. No charges were filed and the lawsuit by the burglars parents was dismissed without compensation. This was the second time in 10 years with the same scenario with the same results.
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There will always be cases where Grand Jurys won't return a true bill...I would not have either...serves the scum right.
Elfstop wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
Wabbit wrote:
Elfstop wrote:
The rest of the story....in the first video the home owner pursues the burglars and fires on them....that's against the law because they were no longer a threat and he should have been charged...I quit watching this bull**** when that loony ass Jesse Ventura started speaking...
And Obama is not anti gun.
Hey Doc ..... that depends on the State your in my friend ..... you've been watching too many metropolitan news casts ..... where I come from that's grounds for huntin em down, ya get a medal for each one you shoot!
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NO State allows you to chase down and shoot a fleeing subject that is NO threat to you or others and kill them or even assault them. I don't know where you come from but there are no places that give out medals for that either.
Not saying it's not a good ideal tho. I am a police officer and in Tennessee it's against the law.
And you have been watching too many Elmer Fudd re-runs from the 30's....lol.
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I am pretty sure that since the perpetrators were all heavily armed that the home owner would face no charges where I live, in fact it is my belief that not only did he have the right and necessity of self defense, that had he not used and continued to the weapon against the four armed men that it is very likely that he and anyone else in that home may have ended up dead...
Glad I live in Florida, you can shot bad guys anywhere.
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Not self defense when they are running AWAY from you..self defense was over the second they ran..Thats florida law too..come on guys get a grip or just shoot someone running away and see what happens.
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That's true from a legal standpoint, but no one is going to charge a homeowner defending his life and property with deadly force against an "army of 4" heavily armed thugs. Even and especially when the homeowner has them on the run. What if he stopped shooting and the thugs had a minute to think and regroup? It is obvious they where out to harm the homeowner with deadly force.
Let's stop defending thugs and defend the rights of our law abiding citizens.
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