SHUTERED Loc: SO. CAL.

HEY WILD BILL- sorry see below.

SHUTERED Loc: SO. CAL.

hEY WILD BILL- i have a problem with your secured firearm idea. Scenario, 3am and your in bed you here someone opening the front door, how do you think you will be able to unsecure your weapon ( remember this is why you have it )and will this jackass give you the time to do so?

hobbycam Loc: Now in "Hollister, Ca."

Please let me add my 2 cents in here :-)
Just yesterday, a teen went into a school, and shot several kids because he was bullied. He used a 12 gauge shot gun.
it was a pump[ action, with 3 shot load if one in the hole.
Where does that place the argument thaat semi-auto weapons should be banned?? Both are lethal in the wrong hands. I dont believe in gun control by the government. because if anyone wants a semi or full Uzi they could find it on the streets illegally and pay a nice sum for it. Gov. Gun control only helps the criminals and people that want to do you harm. My term of gun control is " wiht two hands on the Gun" Period
NOw off of my soap box

May God Bless :-)

hobbycam Loc: Now in "Hollister, Ca."

Please let me interject and voice my opinion :-)
It is a great idea to properly secure all weapons in the home, God knows that I have more than my share. I also keep most, NOtice, I said Most. of my weapons secured.
all of my weaopns are loaded and ready for bear, though secured. However there are 2 weapons that are not secured when my wife and I go to bed, is fully loaded and ready. you wont have time to unsecure any weapon if an intruder enters yuour home.
The enoforcement here showed us a nifty finger touch gun safe. they even showed us how to retrieve the weapon and load it , just in case you needed it. Propblem I had with it was it took a bit more than 35 seconds to open it grab the hand gun and load it. Imagine doing that when you are waken by a noise that an intruder makes while entering your home and waking from a dead sleep.
Those precious seconds will make the difference between life and death.
Thank you :-)
Off My soap box :-)
May God Bless :-)

SHUTERED Loc: SO. CAL.

because your unfamilier with this subject I'll temper my reply. Yes at that time you will have to keep in mind that was level of technowledgy. Today, the criminal mind with the illegal availablity of firearms to them on the black market, or by theft, have the ability to have greater and superior firepower than the police have themselves. To expect a homeowner to limit his available responsive firepower in this light to a single shot, when today burglerers arrive in teams is just insane. About 2 years ago a 12 year old girl, a member of midwest school skeet shooting team was home alone. Her dad at work, when 2 men entered her house to burglerize and potentialy harm her. She grabbed her dads 12 gauge and ended up mortaly shooting both as they attempted to climb the stairs to get her. Yes, she was trained in firearms use and safety, and because of this that then 12 year old is alive and well today. this country is vastly differant than the rest of the world. I agree that for the most part I don't like or agree with the changes that have been wrought upon us by Pearl Harbour, 9/11 or our own misguided actions. We for the most part are product of what fate has dealt us, as is most of this modern world. Untill we are somehow allowed to return to a more restfull state in this country (as in the 50's,) I see no change comeing in our society.:)

hobbycam Loc: Now in "Hollister, Ca."

Well said.

Hobbycam

Ronny Loc: Netherlands

You are totally ignorant of the subject and you should walk away now.

Media makes it sound like military weapons are used but there are NO AUTOMATIC WEAPONS in any of these incidents.

When the law was created, it was because we had just overthrown a corrupt BRITISH GOVERNMENT. In our Declaration of Independence, we reserved the right to overthrow any government we were not happy with and that is why we have the right to bear arms.

You really should read past posts before making comments like this. You would sound more informed.


First I should not do what you want me to do. I have other things to do, like professional photography. I decide myself what I want to read. And you have the option to answer or not.
That said, I think I have the right to ask a question in this free country. Beside that I just want you to remember which country helped your country to free from the British.
Here is the answer: The Netherlands! Because the Dutch help the USA with their warships and money, there is still an agreement between the two nations to support each other.

WildBill Loc: South West Florida

Tell it like it is Hal :)
:thumbup:

WildBill Loc: South West Florida

I have it in my possession already. I sleep with a gun unlocked and totally loaded. If I leave it unattended, I lock it up. I do not want it used against me or in the wrong hands. But if I am already away from it, it is not doing me any good anyway.

Finger print safe gets the weapon to you quickly. place hand on safe, it opens and you have loaded gun.

WildBill Loc: South West Florida

I have my weapon out when I go to bed. It is with me and I am protecting it. Of course to be fair, I was Army Airborne Infantry and wake up at any noise. I agree that trying to get a trigger lock off when someone has already entered your home is not a good scenario. But a loaded gun out where a 5 year old can get it and no adults watching is retarded and should not go unpunished. Just my thoughts.

Appreciate your feed back :) honestly... no sarcasm.

WildBill Loc: South West Florida

You have every right to voice an opinion. Just saying that an informed argument would have been a better option in this case because your reply was not.
If this had been an issue in the Netherlands, I would have been asking you "could this help?" or "would this be possible?" because I am not well informed about your culture. Law is what you called our Constitutional right to bear arms... well that alone shows that you are not well informed. Automatic weapons further showed you have no idea what you are talking about. I hate to see seeming intelligent people look like fools so I was suggesting you walk away now because you are not doing yourself any favors.

Photography is an awesome subject we can talk about anytime. I love to share ideas and opinions about cameras lenses and photos and love hearing other opinions. Lets talk photography :)

This topic is our Constitution. This is the rights of every American promised to us forever by our founding fathers after they fought and died against the British government to get the privilege to give us these rights. And you think it is going to be a passive debate? A Brit started this "debate" and we killed the Brit's last time they tried to take our guns. We are not passive and reserved when it comes to our guns. We do not talk about gun control like you would debate ordering fish or steak at a restaurant.

You are free to say whatever you like but remember, we are very aggressive in our attacks against those who would take away our Constitutional rights and what we reply may well be more than you want to deal with. That is our freedom of speech coming right back at you. Sorry if you feel offended but your ignorant reply was not well taken either. Get informed and come on back. I would love to hear an informed argument from anyone and I am still waiting.

johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR

I think there are certain things that Europe and America will never understand about each other. Our society became free from a system of government that STILL has slave states that are not thrilled with that dominion. Since that time guns have been a part of our society and guaranteed us safety for hundreds of years and still do. We will never understand the European (and especially English) slavish, hat-in-hand adoration of the royals. Go ahead with that and leave us to our society if you have no understanding of our history.

Blake Loc: Alfred NY

Over all I agree with safe storage of firearms. There is one exception to it though. If a persons life is in real danger or they are about to be robbed, if it is in a safe locker or has a trigger guard on the gun, it is useless to defend my property or my life. Remember that on average the police are 23 minutes away. In realalty that means when one is truely needed they are an hour or longer away. Oh and for the record in the rural county that I live in, the average responce time of our state police is in excess of an hour. For Real!!!

Oh about our medical community and schools revealing information about individuals, it is illeagal for them to reveal any information that is deamed to be private according to Hippa( medical ) or FERPA ( academic )

Blake

singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines

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Over all I agree with safe storage of firearms. There is one exception to it though. If a persons life is in real danger or they are about to be robbed, if it is in a safe locker or has a trigger guard on the gun, it is useless to defend my property or my life. Remember that on average the police are 23 minutes away. In realalty that means when one is truely needed they are an hour or longer away. Oh and for the record in the rural county that I live in, the average responce time of our state police is in excess of an hour. For Real!!!

Oh about our medical community and schools revealing information about individuals, it is illeagal for them to reveal any information that is deamed to be private according to Hippa( medical ) or FERPA ( academic )

Blake[/quote

Your assumption that medical information can''t be disclosed is absolutely false as present law requires the reporting of all gunshot wounds to be reported. To add psychological or psychiatric reports to the fray is presently being debated and if such demand is made for reporting, to hell with any oath to HIPPA of FERPA. The law would supercede this. Courts can presently demand these records under court order or the doctor is heald in contempt. The same goes for any lawyer who willfully deceives the court or submits false evidence. This is a disbarrment offense and the same should hold true for a doctor's license to practice medicine.
According to Supreme Court, the only record that is exempt from this disclosure is the sanctity of confession in a church and specifically the Catholic Church and even that is questionable considering the recent church law suits for child endangerment and sexual abuses.

WildBill Loc: South West Florida

I have my gun with me typically. When it is with me, I do not have a trigger lock or wall safe on my belt. LOL
If you are with the weapon, you are the lock and key. If you are not within arms reach of it, others are and they get the weapon, then you are negligent is my argument.

Think about this for a second please. A loaded gun sitting on a coffee table in the middle of a living room full of kids but no adults is not a safe place for a weapon. This exact scenario cost a child his life. Grandpa putting his loaded gun under his bed is a real scenario that got another child shot. No adult in reach/sight of that gun so it should have been secured. Secured on someone's person or locked up so little children could not get them. Both these gun owners should have lost their right to have weapons for allowing little kids access to their loaded weapon in an unsupervised environment. They should have gone to jail too IMHO.

I already stated that I sleep with a loaded weapon within easy reach (but still out of sight). If I am not within reach/sight of my weapon, then it is locked up. My weapon in someone else's hands could get me or someone else killed so I secure it. If I want it, I take it with me. That is why states give concealed carry permits out.

Yes, it takes time to get a weapon out of a safe or remove a trigger lock. Carry it with you if you think there is a chance you need it. But if you are going to leave it behind, you have a responsibility to prevent someone else from gaining access to the weapon and using it.

I had a family member take a gun to school because their dad's gun (although hidden) was not secured. On the news today a student brought a gun to school and shot a bully. Sorry, but if mom, dad, uncle, grandpa, adoptive parents, etc. are not smart enough to keep weapons from their kids hands, then they should be in jail for the crime (since the juvenile isn't going to jail) and lose their right to own firearms. My opinion. Will it prevent all gun violence? No. But maybe there will never be another 7 year old having to live with the fact he shot his brother in the head.