pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"

This is a funny rant but don't get down on the British and Australians. They tend to be the most educated people on this plant. The British have their history (I have given the Royal family a hard time in other threads. Still don't understand that but I'm a commoner) and the success of Australia from a penal colony to what they are now is amazing. I'm ready to bail out now and would love to call Australia or New Zealand home. I know I'll catch a lot of crap for that comment but this country is turning into a joke in the eyes of the rest of the world. If we continue on the path we are on we're doomed. We have the muscle (military and weapons) but it seems we have lost common sense. Look at the looters of this country that just sit on their ass and wait for a government check every month or week. I have been unemployed or underemployed for almost two years but I don't sit around and moan about it. I'm working towards a degree and constantly looking for a long term career. I ran my own business for over 20 years and saved. I really don't have to work another day in my life but I don't like sitting on my ass. :thumbup:

AuntieM Loc: Eastern NC

I simply was asking permission to post....seemed like to me that this thread was a male only one...trying to be considerate is all, and not post where I was not wanted.

Anyway, I watched the film, and agree that untrained people, in a stressful situation can be a negative, and that the test was probably weighted a bit for dramatic television effect. That being said, it did give some food for thought about how an untrained, non-professional would react in a stressful situation. My husband was a police officer for 23 years and was trained to overcome the natural inclination of humans to run away from a life-threatening situation. I know I cannot truthfully say that I would have been any better in that test than the subjects were, and I have handled firearms my whole life.

We have firearms in our house, I know how to use them and have a concealed carry permit, although have not felt the need to carry a gun with me. Do I want armed teachers in schools? - absolutely not, that is not their function, and their mindset is not geared to "taking down" an armed intruder. Do I want children to be taught gun safety in school? - absolutely not. A lot of children have parents that are dead set against guns and gun ownership. A child of those parents may very well find a friend whose parents have a gun, and talk his friend into getting the gun and "practicing" with it without supervision, thus setting up a recipe for disaster. If you want to have any kind of firearms education in schools, teach children if they see an unsecured firearm - not to touch it, and go find an adult.

Yes, there needs to be responsible ownership, but I do not believe that you can legislate responsibility. There are background checks for gun ownership now, and I have no problem with a national data base to identify those people who have mental illnesses, their rights to privacy be damned, so that they cannot legally purchase a firearm. I also have no problem with having to wait long enough for a thorough background check to be done on someone. I have read posts about other countries that have very strict gun laws having less crime. I don't know the statistics, but someone posted a video on this site about two foreign police officers, that were not carrying guns, and were severely beaten by a mob of drunks. If a mob of drunks can do that to police officers, what chance do I have for my safety. Certainly would make me feel very secure.

I really don't care about other countries, I care about my country. I have watched, over the years, incivility, brutality, and disrespect for rules, morals, and human life take hold in this country. I truly believe that we, as a country need to reinstate rules, boundaries, and limitations on our children from a young age, and hold parents responsible for the behavior of their children. When I went to high school, we did not have metal detectors, and armed police officers in the schools. We did not have the garbage on the television and in movies that glorify bad behavior, violence, and the thinking that "anything goes."

I believe that the violence that is sweeping our country is indicative of a breakdown in social values that needs to be addressed, along with keeping guns out of the hands of those not fit to have them. Until the underlying reasons for the violence are addressed, it will continue unabated. Placing more restrictions on those of us who are responsible gun owners will make the criminals and mentally deranged more empowered. How sad it is to say that I feel the need to have a firearm to protect myself from the marauding element that is running amok out there. However, until my government can assure me that they can stop criminals and mentally ill people from obtaining a gun, I have the right to protect myself, and will fight to keep that right.

Being a woman, I am aware that I have an extra risk to deal with when it comes to being a target for a criminal. I try to be aware at all times of the people around me, and the situations that I may come across. I intend to take a solo trip in a year with a pull-behind trailer across the United States, and will take a firearm with me on that trip for my protection. I have no intention of being a "soft target" for someone that will see me traveling alone and think I am easy prey...I think everyone should have the right to decide whether or not they want to take responsibility for their own safety, or leave it to others to provide that for them. The people who are not comfortable with guns will never understand those of us who are, and choose to have them. The criminal elements that are out there have no respect for human life, and I for one do not intend to be a statistic in the newspaper. Whether I would be able to actually shoot someone....I honestly don't know, and hope I never have to find out, but I have the constituional right to have a firearm as long as I am qualified, and choose to do so.

pounder35 Loc: "Southeast of Disorder"

You don't need permission to post. Just jump in and throw in your 2 cents worth. If I waited for permission I'd wouldn't be here. And I'm sure a lot of people would be happy about that. :lol: :roll: Some of this stuff gets serious in some peoples mind but it's just open discussion. If you don't agree with my point of view I really don't care. I guess every now and then we need to get back to photography and drop the politics. :thumbup:

MtnMan Loc: ID

For info.

MtnMan Loc: ID

I strongly recommend a relatively short barrel 12 guage shotgun for such a purpose. The gun laws across states are such a mess that you stand a chance of being made a criminal by the sheer complexity of the laws with other choices. You'll be OK with a shotgun pretty much everywhere although I can't promise about California or if you traverse New York City, Washington DC or Chicago. There are WEB sites to help you figure it out.

I have mine loaded with 3 double-O buck shells followed by a couple of rifled slugs. I have a light on it and extra shells on the stock. It is the one that lies next to my bed when camping.

I have a number of handguns also and am OK with them but the shotgun is much more effective if ever needed for protection.

I plan a camping trip to Alaska through Canada this year. I am allowed to take my shotgun and some rifles but have to go through a registration process at the border. I haven't yet decided if it is worth the expense or hassle.

WildBill Loc: South West Florida

Thank you.

WildBill Loc: South West Florida

[quote=pounder35
This is a funny rant but don't get down on the British and Australians. They tend to be the most educated people on this plant. The British have their history (I have given the Royal family a hard time in other threads. Still don't understand that but I'm a commoner) and the success of Australia from a penal colony to what they are now is amazing. I'm ready to bail out now and would love to call Australia or New Zealand home. I know I'll catch a lot of crap for that comment but this country is turning into a joke in the eyes of the rest of the world. If we continue on the path we are on we're doomed. We have the muscle (military and weapons) but it seems we have lost common sense. Look at the looters of this country that just sit on their ass and wait for a government check every month or week. I have been unemployed or underemployed for almost two years but I don't sit around and moan about it. I'm working towards a degree and constantly looking for a long term career. I ran my own business for over 20 years and saved. I really don't have to work another day in my life but I don't like sitting on my ass. :thumbup:[/quote]

Been unemployed or under employed for 7 years thanks to a work injury and no way to get compensated for it. Medical is covered because it was work related but nothing else. Soc Sec will not pay for my (going on 3 years) recovering from surgeries but my gang member drug addict neighbor collects for damages his drug addition has caused him (in between his stays at prison). Love Liberals. I pay into the system and cannot collect so a drug dealing/using gang member can collect.

In school myself to get a trade I can do with my disability.

As for the Brits, I actually love them. Spent an entire summer there meeting people and traveling the countryside. Would love to do it again too. Not a fan of their politics but agree we are heading into the gutter ourselves. We have been for a very long time.

Australians seem awesome as well and hope to visit there country before I cannot travel anymore. I do not hate anyone, well at least no one living in another country LOL.

This Brit is on his third rant about our guns. He is not listening to civilized sound debate and claiming he is under verbal attack. Just sick of him atm. Had to chime in and shake the birds gilded cage. Ruffle his feathers a bit. Maybe he will pick a new topic for his next rant or I can continue. Will not be the first blog I have ended.

Ka2azman Loc: Tucson, Az

" The Assault Style Weapon is the Drunk Driver" I don't know how you equate to this statement. I view - Assault Weapon would be to Car - (object to object) as Drunk driver is to the person behind the gun (live person drunk driver to live person shooter). How do you equate a live person to a metal object? That is not rational thinking, but would be if you wanted to skew something. And if you take this position you are going to get into trouble with the organization MADD. (Mothers Against Drunk Drivers) They say it is not the vechile but the person who did a deliberate action. They are not calling for abolishment of vechiles, but they stand for holding the person totally responsible for their action's, Drunk or not. The person did the killing, not the car. So you and your group need to re-think your position.

As for this film, it might have been done by experts, but it was to show failure, as it was set up for failure, as I previously stated earlier. So what FBI, police, state police proof do you have that you state as proof of this?

As for the mantra One shot one kill, again show no basis of knowledge on your part because this is for sniping, not active combative shooting. By the way, snipers are encouraged to have a second rifle with them when on missions, for their long range one is not really suited for close quarter action, even though it would fit your discription of 50 cal, 5 round magazine.

Another point I get from you reading is that you find it ok for people to shoot one another, just as long as it doesn't involve a clip over 5 rounds? After the first person is shot, I say it is too many. That person, like the drunk driver should be stopped before he kills, and the outrage should not be because how many, but becasue of ONE. Your efforts should be placed for opening up Mental institution and getting these dangerous people off the streets as well as efforts to get drunk drivers off the roads. In both, there have been many signs that these people were out of control before the tragic incident, but ignored, gone through court system only to be let off lightly and released back into society. With them behind bar or mental institutions walls, 5 round clips 20 round clips, 100 round clips wouldn't matter because the first round would have never been fired.

Your statement "In my work I am constantly reading and hearing about gun control, Constitutional rights and the current laws in force here in Louisiana." Seeing how you are upto date on such matters, seems to me you lack understanding of such material, even after you have read about it. Looks to me you can't connect dots, and keep things in a straight and orderly connected fashion, and rant about things you are guessing about. What's that saying - it is better to let them think you a fool, than to open your mouth and prove it!

That really gets me "Assualt weapons and drunk drivers are the same". MADD has really worked hard to get laws passed that the drunk driver is the culprit, and not the car.

Black Bart Loc: Indiana

You make a good point but when a drunk kills people with a car you Liberals don't want to ban cars you punish the drunk driver but when a nut case uses a gun you want to ban guns.

hobbycam Loc: Now in "Hollister, Ca."

Very good post, AuntyM,
I agree with you 100%
The Schools have been stripped from deciplining the children or making them behave in the classroom. Why, Because it will ruin their Psychi and ruin them in the future.
I say BS to that. The Government have also took away the parents right to discpline their children ( fine line between decipline and child abuse of course) and children no longer respect their parents. If children gorw up not respecting their parents or elders , how do they respect others?
Without decipline and courtesy for others the future is dim. In my humble opinion. So the rate of unlawful acts begin and continue. I as many of us born in the 40's have seen this happen. I am not proud to say , we as baby boomers have done nothing to help the problem, but we, certainly did nothing to stop it either. I think that we may have been the problem. Because , we said to ourselves "I wont treat my children like my parents did me."
So to go back on the topic.
Gun control is not the answer in my opinion.
We have many gun laws here now, and not one is enforced.
Let us enforce the ones we have now.
I wont let the brits change my mind about gun control, because they have very stirct control over their guns they have very high Muggings and knifing. But, they dont tell you that, becauzse it is not guns :-) Seems to me it does not count as violence against society if it is not a gun in Brit.

I wish you the very best in your travels and be safe :-)

May God Bless

ahancock

Just a quick comment about the film. The trainees were rather inept but unlike the usual mass murderer, the shooter was a highly trained firearm instructer who knew that he was facing an armed trainee and knew what to look for. I think they would have done better against the average mass shooter.

fotkaman Loc: Earth

Yo, Crwiwy, I got the flu, yesterday I woke up with a fever which iritated me immensely, which, in turn, made me to shout at you. I shouldn't have done that and I apologize!
Good, I feel better now, so I am going to crawl back under my stone to continue the nano-battle with viruses. Wish you a good day, and a good light, should you go out with a camera! :thumbup:

Hawknest Loc: South Georgia

i agree 100% but to me the BIG abc joke was what police dept. in this country or a real police officer (expert) would be allow to give a live demo with a loaded weapon and then accidentally the weapon fires hitting the so call expert (officer) in the foot at a local school. typical abc news bias and this video is all about the 2nd. amendment.

imntrt1 Loc: St. Louis

One unscientific study conducted by a news organization does not constitute fact. Even ONE Study would not constitute fact. Other studies have concluded that gun controls do not work and in fact make life MORE dangerous for honest citizens. Those studies are most often "forgotten" when things like this are presented. A valid argument would show both sides to the stories...this video DOES NOT! This video depicts what the news organization wanted to report. I seriously doubt it would have aired had it shown something else. They also used younger people, without competent or mature thought processing skills, magnified by the fact they were put into these scenarios quickly and before they were given any opprotunity to think through their training and/or practice anything at home or more than once. I could take that same group and produce a different outcome in one day. Good training would deal with all aspects of possible scenarios. I also question the fact that the role players who entered "armed" were aware when they entered who was armed and who was not. That in and of itself taints the "study." I don't remember seeing in any of the video where the trainers mentioned problems could occur because of the way the people were carrying their "weapons." Or even how to react in detail should these things happen. These kids were set up for failure from the start - that is how propaganda is formulated.

Hawknest Loc: South Georgia

LMAO