Address to the Pro-gun lobby (Page 17): Maybe, if the guns stayed in the castle...

suzieshome Loc: Canada

Maybe, if the guns stayed in the castle

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

fotkaman wrote:

yhtomit wrote:

fotkaman wrote:

yhtomit wrote:

fotkaman wrote:

yhtomit wrote:

fotkaman wrote:

sarge69 wrote:

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Hey Sarge69, all singleviking's comments in the past clearly indicate his citizenship. If you are a 'regular here', you should know. Furthermore, I saw many Americans abroad carying Canadian or Australian or any other colors than American for saving themselves from the embarrasment. Americans are percieved as gun-toting, noisy, arrogant, without-a-class bastards. Yes, a lot of it comes from envy for our freedoms and life-styles, however, a Yankee abroad is a sitting duck for taking advatange of. And singleviking knows that so he is not shoving his citizenship around. All this discussion is about what the hell we are gonna do to prevent tragedies such as the Newtown one. Those tragedies ARE the product of the society! We all know that a gun control alone won't do it. But a compromise will have to be made to prevent an idiot from having access to it. And, every time you make a compromise, you lose a bit of freedom. Unfortunately, that is the fact, but something HAS TO BE DONE. So, rather than calling each other names, let us figure this out smartly and intelligently, because if you have brains, you don't need a gun.

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Fix the problem where it occurs.The classroom.Arm the teachers.

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...and the grounds keepper, the cooks in the cafeteria, the maintenace guy, the Principal, and, of course, all the students!!! :thumbdown:

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This issue is not to be made light of.What do you think is the actual problem is?

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Violent American culture, inadequate education.

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Violent American culture, inadequate education?How does this kill
kids in classrooms?

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It produces confused, violent, ignorant and inferiority-complexed individuals who come up with twisted motives to 'take revenge' on the most vulnerable.

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I thought you where talking about abortion there for a moment.
Violent subcultures exist in all countries,which country are you a citizen in.
So if you educate everyone,how will that prevent kids from being killed in their classroom when a nut job shows up with a gun,machete,pair of scissors,baseball bat...?

fotkaman Loc: Earth

The better-educated individual, the better access to a job market, the more money he/she makes, the more he/she contributes to programs controlling the mentally-unbalanced ones. It's a lot more complex than that, but you know what I mean, don't you? Also, a well-educated kid understands life values much better and doesn't find violence as attractive.

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

fotkaman wrote:

The better-educated individual, the better access to a job market, the more money he/she makes, the more he/she contributes to programs controlling the mentally-unbalanced ones. It's a lot more complex than that, but you know what I mean, don't you? Also, a well-educated kid understands life values much better and doesn't find violence as attractive.

Again,what country are you a citizen in.
So after we have educated the general population,when a nut job (slips thru the cracks of a mental health system in a booming economy)enters the classroom with a weapon,how do we protect kids/teachers from being killed?

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

fotkaman wrote:

The better-educated individual, the better access to a job market, the more money he/she makes, the more he/she contributes to programs controlling the mentally-unbalanced ones. It's a lot more complex than that, but you know what I mean, don't you? Also, a well-educated kid understands life values much better and doesn't find violence as attractive.

The kid in the CT killings was well educated and had a high IQ along with a metal disorder.

RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida

Bangee5 wrote:

The kid in the CT killings was well educated and had a high IQ along with a metal disorder.

And if he had absolutely no access or chance of access to guns the outcome would have been different. Thank you for sealing the argument in favor of an amendment to the Constitution defining the word arms and the qualifications of the citizens to own such arms. Any sane person who wants to own a gun could own such gun once proven that they were sane, responsible and financially capable of paying restitution to injured parties as a result of improper use of said gun. Just like driving a car, you have to pass the physical, know the rules, pass the test and provide financial backing (insurance) to operate a car or any other motor vehicle. A firearm should be no different.

hobbycam Loc: Now in "Hollister, Ca."

sarge69 wrote:

hobbycam

Thanks - Now For My Soap-Box Again

Thanks for your well stated posts. But I think, you, as well as I know that it is pushing a cart up a greased hill trying to talk sense into some folks.

I laugh at some statements pertaining to Americans who are drunk, arrogant and wearing hats 'with maple leafs' - Hmmm, I thought that symbol belonged to Canada, and I'm not bashing our northern neighbors with that so don't try to bring that in. Just stating the OP isn't familiar with it so credibility is lost there.

American troubles for the past 10 to 15 years has been in the schools to start with; where children are exposed to the views of the teachers who are mainly extremely liberal and pass on those views to the kids. We DESERVE RESPECT instead of saying WE EARN RESPECT, telling the kids that HAVE THEIR RIGHTS to do just about anything they want rather than RESPECT THE RIGHTS of others. Changing history by tell kids THE WHITE MAN TOOK EVERYTHING from the native Indians in America instead of THE INDIANS GAVE IT UP FOR TRINKETS. It's all about DEMANDING RIGHTS instead of ENJOYING AND RESPECTING RIGHTS. We freaking feed the kids now for Breakfast and Lunch also. Hmmmm, I ate breakfast at home and paid a small fee for lunch in the mid to late 50s. As one poster said about English on airline crews, I remember when that came into being as before that it was mainly French.

When I went to school, I was taught pure and simple that life was going to be hard unless I ( the student ) studied, learned History, Geography, Social Studies, Math, English and a foreign language like French, Spanish or German. Now they just try to communicate in some common language with students from a multitude of different cultures and catering to each of them and nothing is learned. The state of Connecticut once had a referendum on changing the state language to Spanish. Can you imagine ?

I absolutely refuse to press a number to speak English and you'll find that if you don't press 1 for English or 2 for Spanish, the recording reverts to English. This ain't a Spanish language country, you live here, SPEAK ENGLISH. Accommodate another language but don't shove it down my throat.

I just read in the paper that the detainees at Gitmo are getting a 5+ million dollar award because they were subject to torture there. HELLO ? Just imagine if a little water torture revealed intentions of the 9-11 disaster? Would the end justify the means in that situation?

I could go on and on what pisses me off now-a-days but just let me say that we cannot afford to bend to DEMANDS all the time instead of EARN YOUR MONEY and RIGHTS, don't DEMAND them without working for them.

For Christ sake, this country and it's liberal, socialistic path is really pissing me off.

There, I feel better. Let the flaming begin as I make another cup of Dunking Donuts coffee.

Sarge69

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Sarge,
Well said :-)
May God Bless

yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon

RixPix wrote:

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I feel the same way,except this should be applied to bicyclist over the age of 18 instead.
Your not making sense.
Why do you want to punish all the law abiding citizens,they didn't kill a bunch of kids in a class room or in a crowded movie theater.
It was a mentally ill person in both cases.Should you not be focused on improving the mental health system to prevent this from happening in the future?I am confident you are not aware as to what the actual problem is.

jcs Loc: USA

fotkaman wrote:

The better-educated individual, the better access to a job market, the more money he/she makes, the more he/she contributes to programs controlling the mentally-unbalanced ones.

Also, a well-educated kid understands life values much better and doesn't find violence as attractive.

So how do you explain all the highly educated and "enlightened" Socialists / Marxists /Progressives like:
Trotzky, Lenin , Castro , Che Guevara .. not to mention Dr.Goebbels , Dr. Mengele .....et.al.
and the MILLIONS of highly educated Socialists who still worship them ( our "higher education" Professors come to mind )??? Lol

singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines

jcs wrote:

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Maybe you should read more on the backgrounds of Lenin, Castro or Che Guevara before you classify them? The social structure that these people grew up in was repressive at best. Castro was educated at Columbia University and originally was against a represive regime backed by mafia money and sanctioned by the US Govenment. Lenin saw a society that was ruled by royals from all the European families and a social structure that had only those loyal to the crowns of europe or peasants. You can't have a society that has a small group gaining wealth and riches while the majority of the population starves. The German doctors you mention were opportunists who saw a means to experiment on human subjects inhumanely and as lab subjects. The Nazi regime considered the subjects as cattle and were deep in a recession caused by the unfair restrictions implemented after the 1st WW on Germany by British design. Che Guevara was a liberator to his peers in a country run by a regime that was only interested in self indulgance and the enslavement of the poor as a peasant work force with no concern for their welfare.
I think if you had a better understanding of history, you might reconsider your hostility to thase who imagine change but all went wrong with the implementation. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana

RixPix wrote:

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fotkaman was saying that with a well educated person would not want to kill.
A highly educated person with a gun can do alot of killing, only better.
But what are you trying to say? Even a skill driver can kill with a car. Define Insane...

singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines

Bangee5 wrote:

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According to Webster:

in·san·i·ty
noun \in-ˈsa-nə-tē\
pluralin·san·i·ties

Definition of INSANITY
1

: a deranged state of the mind usually occurring as a specific disorder (as schizophrenia)

2

: such unsoundness of mind or lack of understanding as prevents one from having the mental capacity required by law to enter into a particular relationship, status, or transaction or as removes one from criminal or civil responsibility

3

a: extreme folly or unreasonableness

b: something utterly foolish or unreasonable

Under these guidelines, the paranoia perceived by fanatic gun owners and Mr. LaPierre can then be classified as a form of "insanity". Have you been diagnosed yet? Remember, the inablity to perceive the world around you with intelligence and understanding of the outcome of your actions or the surrender of rationality are both classified as "insanity". Drug abuse has now been classified as "insanity" since it allows the mind to escape and then the massive endorphines then become addictive. Suicide and self mutilation are "insanity" typically caused by a reduction in perceived self worth or the inability to see any other alternative. An animal lashes out when provoked, but retreats normally. To lash out at those who attemp help and compassion is "insanity".
Any questions?

UXOEOD

RixPix wrote:

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Interesting conceipt.

What if we apply your logical to ALL our civil rights?

Religion ..... neat thought!
Speach ..... oh shit, don't think you would pass the tests...damn it!

Tell you what, after consideration, lets leave it the way it is, our God Given Rights open to everyone, equally. Kind of keeping with that whole equality, and equal treatment under the law thing.

BTW, one of the differences between an conservative and a liberal, is that conservatives want to grant rights to everyone equally, while liberals want to take certain rights from certain classes of people.

I will admit, I don't like you, your politics, or what you say. However, I will defend you and your rights to your beleives, and your rights to speak your dribble to the death.

Enjoy your rights and freedoms, they were won for you by people you don't like with guns that you would take away. Rather ironic!

sarge69 Loc: Ft Myers, FL

To HobbyCam - Thank You

Sarge69

RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida

yhtomit wrote:

Why do you want to punish all the law abiding citizens,they didn't kill a bunch of kids in a class room or in a crowded movie theater.
It was a mentally ill person in both cases.Should you not be focused on improving the mental health system to prevent this from happening in the future?I am confident you are not aware as to what the actual problem is.

Defining what the law is cannot be considered a punishment unless you are not in compliance with the law. If you are of the mind that any law concerning firearm ownership is an infringement on your rights then you are just a sane or insane as Alex Jones and should be handled accordingly. Let the Branch Davidian experience be your guide as to how to proceed against the government and you will reap the same rewards.