I'd Support Him
Jan 3, 2013 07:36:54 #
Poor people are not being denied health care, these people are payed 80% over min wage if they want a abortion why dont they exercise some personal responsibility and pay for it themselves? They have health care, the company just dont want to provide abortions, so what, some policies / companies dont cover dental care, you know what, this is a somewhat free country if I dont like the benefits supplied by this or any business I can quit and seek a job with a different co. that is my choice to find a co. offering the benefits I want, Besides everyone knows if you a abortion the Gov. is more than ready to kill your baby for you, no questions asked.
["So poor people are to be denied health care because it might include drugs that some people object to. Is this a case of 'my beliefs on right to life are more important than a persons right to a healthy life? That doesn't sound a very Christian attitude![/quote]
["So poor people are to be denied health care because it might include drugs that some people object to. Is this a case of 'my beliefs on right to life are more important than a persons right to a healthy life? That doesn't sound a very Christian attitude![/quote]
Jan 3, 2013 08:37:37 #
They could close down their business & lay off their employees. I'm sure the government would like that...
Jan 3, 2013 08:39:41 #
Or, as I just posted, close up & lay off the employees...
tschmath wrote:
Gee, my religion preaches that it's immoral to pay taxes. So I guess I have a right to not file, right? This guy is just full of crap. Plain and simple. If he doesn't like the current law, he has three options:
1. Obey the law
2. Fight to have the law changed.
3. Move to a country where he'd be free to screw his employees out of
insurance coverage
1. Obey the law
2. Fight to have the law changed.
3. Move to a country where he'd be free to screw his employees out of
insurance coverage
Jan 3, 2013 08:59:50 #
Sneidley
Loc: Goodyear, AZ
Maybe the next step would be to put the entire work force on part time status, like a few other large companies and at least one college, are planning on doing. There's a 25% pay cut for the full timers, but it would put more people to work.
Jan 3, 2013 09:02:22 #
tschmath wrote:
Gee, my religion preaches that it's immoral to pay taxes. So I guess I have a right to not file, right? This guy is just full of crap. Plain and simple. If he doesn't like the current law, he has three options:
1. Obey the law
2. Fight to have the law changed.
3. Move to a country where he'd be free to screw his employees out of
insurance coverage
1. Obey the law
2. Fight to have the law changed.
3. Move to a country where he'd be free to screw his employees out of
insurance coverage
It's difficult to tell whether yours is a serious comment, or if you are just trying to stir up trouble. It is getting more difficult every day for employers to "obey the law" when the law consists of hundreds of new regulations put into place every year - a company needs a team of lawyers and consultants just to keep up with them, and that alone is a sufficiently high hurdle that most don't bother.
The requirement that birth control, abortion etc. be included as a "free" part of health insurance didn't even exist until Obama said that it did last year. All employer-provided health insurance programs are essentially the result of a set of choices made by the employer stating which services and products will be provided and what the cost sharing mechanism will be.
Your stating that Hobby Lobby will "screw its employees out of insurance coverage" is disingenuous at best. They had health insurance before, and Hobby Lobby apparently wishes to continue offering health insurance. The government has changed the rules and now Hobby Lobby will have to chose how to respond. That is hardly "screwing its employees out of insurance coverage".
Jan 3, 2013 09:05:38 #
We all know he's just a troll, stirring up the pot...
PrairieSeasons wrote:
quote=tschmath Gee, my religion preaches that it'... (show quote)
Jan 3, 2013 09:16:28 #
Georgia Peddler
Loc: Brunswick, GA
Just curious - has anyone ever wondered where all of the "fine" produced $$$ that the government receives actually goes and how it is accounted for?
When you see where corporations are fined $$Millions (or even $$Billions) - just thinking??
Maybe a big 'ole pot somewhere in a back room of some Senate or Congress hideaway to be used judicially by our totally competent and trustworthy "leaders" in support of our best interests??
Just wondering -
When you see where corporations are fined $$Millions (or even $$Billions) - just thinking??
Maybe a big 'ole pot somewhere in a back room of some Senate or Congress hideaway to be used judicially by our totally competent and trustworthy "leaders" in support of our best interests??
Just wondering -
Jan 3, 2013 09:18:46 #
Crwiwy wrote:
quote=sarge69 br br But now, our government thr... (show quote)
The morning after pill is not health care no more than an AR15 is health care. There are better ways to prevent getting pregnant.
Jan 3, 2013 09:19:25 #
Georgia Peddler wrote:
Just curious - has anyone ever wondered where all of the "fine" produced $$$ that the government receives actually goes and how it is accounted for?
When you see where corporations are fined $$Millions (or even $$Billions) - just thinking??
Maybe a big 'ole pot somewhere in a back room of some Senate or Congress hideaway to be used judicially by our totally competent and trustworthy "leaders" in support of our best interests??
Just wondering -
When you see where corporations are fined $$Millions (or even $$Billions) - just thinking??
Maybe a big 'ole pot somewhere in a back room of some Senate or Congress hideaway to be used judicially by our totally competent and trustworthy "leaders" in support of our best interests??
Just wondering -
Probably the same place that the find $$$ go when an insurance company or bank is fined for practices that injure individuals - to the goobermint.
Jan 3, 2013 09:22:37 #
RixPix,
If you don't mind what religion are you? Would you care if I told you to stuff your religion where the sun doesn't shine. Well that is about what Obama and his ilk are telling all those who are trying to live up to their religion. Maybe you are not a religious person, but others are and need to be respected, something you have a problem with. Have a Happy New Year.
George
If you don't mind what religion are you? Would you care if I told you to stuff your religion where the sun doesn't shine. Well that is about what Obama and his ilk are telling all those who are trying to live up to their religion. Maybe you are not a religious person, but others are and need to be respected, something you have a problem with. Have a Happy New Year.
George
Jan 3, 2013 09:23:14 #
The family that owns the controlling portion of stock in the corporation known by most as "Hobby Lobby" has strongly held religious beliefs. No government should force them to violate their own principles.
The corporate entity in which they own those shares, however, is not possessed of any right to religious freedom under the constitution. That entity, therefore, has no valid claim that the government is violating any rights it possesses under the First Amendment.
That is the thinking of the Courts in which this family (well, really, the corporation) lost, and the thinking that I would agree with. :thumbup:
The corporate entity in which they own those shares, however, is not possessed of any right to religious freedom under the constitution. That entity, therefore, has no valid claim that the government is violating any rights it possesses under the First Amendment.
That is the thinking of the Courts in which this family (well, really, the corporation) lost, and the thinking that I would agree with. :thumbup:
Jan 3, 2013 09:26:31 #
tschmath wrote:
Gee, my religion preaches that it's immoral to pay taxes. So I guess I have a right to not file, right? This guy is just full of crap. Plain and simple. If he doesn't like the current law, he has three options:
1. Obey the law
2. Fight to have the law changed.
3. Move to a country where he'd be free to screw his employees out of
insurance coverage
1. Obey the law
2. Fight to have the law changed.
3. Move to a country where he'd be free to screw his employees out of
insurance coverage
Apparently you are also a fool, What gives Obama and his ilk the right to tell religious people to violate their faith or beliefs? Your claim about taxes is bull. Guess you voted for Obama, hope you love the screwing your going to get. Oh and guess you never had employees because Hobby Lobby does give them coverage. Have a Happy New Year.
George
Jan 3, 2013 09:27:07 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
Same argument was made about segregation and those folks were supposedly Christians too!
Jan 3, 2013 09:31:11 #
tschmath wrote:
BTW, Hobby Lobby lost that case in the Supreme Court. Now let's see if they'll pay the $1,300,000 PER DAY fine they face for not complying. How strong will their religious beliefs be in the face of huge financial losses?
Care to tell us when the Supreme Court ruled on this. Oh and if this administration forces them to break the law and put them out of business, you condone the loss of jobs? If so you a complete fool.
George
Jan 3, 2013 09:35:18 #
Crwiwy wrote:
quote=sarge69 br br But now, our government thr... (show quote)
Do you have a brain or not, they have insurance, what the owners object to is the inclusion of Abortion and it's alternatives that violate their religious beliefs, the employees have basic insurance, or did you not check a little further.
Have a Happy New Year.
George
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