RixPix wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:
So, you say they are using "fear tactics"....I guess you don't consider the actions & words of the gun control groups & people like yourself to be the same "fear mongering" you accuse the NRA of?...Of course you don't, after all, you are "Holier" aren't you?
RixPix wrote:
sundancer2004 wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Frank T wrote:
mikeyatc wrote:
approx 3700 abortions per day in the US. but that's ok?
Approximately 32,000 people a year die in automobile accidents.
What does that have to do with guns? Absolutely nothing.
It has to do with finding solutions, in my opinion.
In the 60's, 50,000 a year died in auto accidents. Ralph Nader signed a light on the problem, and solutions were found. Seat belts, air bags, crumple zones, backup lights. Did it eliminate the problem? No. But there are a whole lot more people alive today because of those changes.
We'll never eliminate gun deaths. But we can certainly cut down the number without trampling Second Amendment rights. But the NRA has successfully blocked every single common-sense idea. They even opposed a proposed law banning people on the terrorist watch list from owning guns. So to the NRA, even known terrorists have a constitutional right to own guns. This country's leaders could come up with sensible solutions if we could just get the NRA out of the way.
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Get your facts straight, the NRA dos not support lawlessness. The NRA does support enforcement of all existing firearms legislation. The issues are when the NRA opposes irrational additions to firearms legislation designed to deny law abiding citizens.By a vote of 28-19, the committee also approved Rep. John Carter's (R-Texas) amendment to stop BATFE from prohibiting the importation of shotguns that have one or more various features disliked by the BATFE, most of which are common to firearms used for protection or sport. Such features include adjustable stocks and extended magazine tubes. Rep. Carter, like Rep. Rehberg, is a member of the Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus, and believes that "federal gun regulations often create burdens for law-abiding citizens and infringe upon constitutional rights provided by the Second Amendment."
Anti-gun Rep. Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) was not so successful with her amendment to authorize the Attorney General to prohibit the possession of firearms by anyone whose name appears on the FBI's secretive terrorist watch list. Her proposal failed by a vote of 27-18, indicating that a majority on the committee understands the many problems with this idea. Chief among those is that 95 percent of people on the watch list are already prohibited from possessing firearms in the U.S. because they are not citizens or legal residents of the United States. In March, a similar amendment pushed by Rep. Mike Quigley (D-Ill.) was rejected by the House Judiciary Committee by a vote of 21-11.
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The NRA is in the business of selling more guns there is no other motivating factor...they want more guns and more guns and more guns...they are paid by the gun manufacturers to promote the use of firearms. They use fear tactics to get their messages across. The last gun show I attended in West Palm Beach in December was a field day for the sellers...the attendees were buying everything they could because the NRA booth their manned by Jim T. was perpetuated the rumor that all guns will be banned. The level of paranoia was stifling...there was this atmosphere of dread in the air. As I was watching one guy selling ammo I thought of a solution...no matter what caliber all ammo should be taxed by $25 per bullet or shell with the tax revenues being used for the benefit of shooting victims. Call it a sin tax you shoot you pay.
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You will never believe that THEY are not coming for your guns. This paranoia is such a part of your core belief system that you may be on the verge of a form of psychosis. When I read posts from gun nuts and listen to them speak I am often reminded of this quote:
Sometimes people hold a core belief that is very strong. When they are presented with evidence that works against that belief, the new evidence cannot be accepted. It would create a feeling that is extremely uncomfortable, called cognitive dissonance. And because it is so important to protect the core belief, they will rationalize, ignore and even deny anything that doesn't fit in with the core belief.
You see before the latest school shooting President Obama actually reduced certain restrictions on guns but you'd never know that from rhetoric from the NRA. So, you cling to your guns and know that if it should ever come to a vote I would vote to fulfill your wish to have your guns taken from your cold DEAD hands.
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If "they" are not coming for our guns,then"why"are they legislating
"gun control"? It's not a sense of paranoia,it's responding to the news that the president in public said he was putting his full weight
behind gun control.Duhhh.Do you ever catch up on current events?Furthermore you are telling/spreading untruths in a viscous manor about the NRA.You should just chill and do some
objective research,thats all.Breathe.....
phcaan
Loc: Willow Springs, MO
Sundancer:
Great post, the facts are all there, unfortunately these are facts that many people not only don't want to hear, but will not hear them. If it is a fact that says guns can be or are used for good, it does not exist.
Hal81
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
True Fact: Guns are here to stay. Nothing they can do to change that. There are over 3 millon guns in the US . That ship has sailed. If a gun is used in any kind of a crime they should be punished to the full extent of the law. no perole. In fact the punishment should be doubled.
Hal81 wrote:
True Fact: Guns are here to stay. Nothing they can do to change that. There are over 3 millon guns in the US . That ship has sailed. If a gun is used in any kind of a crime they should be punished to the full extent of the law. no perole. In fact the punishment should be doubled.
More than 270 million guns...
PNagy wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:
Shows the liberal bias of the national media...
BuddyLars wrote:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/media-quiet-about-san-antonio-theater-shooting-2524596.html
Liberal bias of the national media is the most laughable crock one can imagine. A few right wing corporations and people control the vast majority of media outlets. These are Disney, Viacom, Ruppert Murdoch, General Electric, and Time-Warner. What utter nonsense to suggest that the plutocratic right would do everything it can to control the media, then allow it to be hijacked by their liberal on air talent. Sir, I apologize for the harshness of my observation, but you are thoroughly brain washed.
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So since MSNBC is also owned by a corporation, it's right wing? Really?
PNagy wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:
Shows the liberal bias of the national media...
BuddyLars wrote:
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2012/12/media-quiet-about-san-antonio-theater-shooting-2524596.html
Liberal bias of the national media is the most laughable crock one can imagine. A few right wing corporations and people control the vast majority of media outlets. These are Disney, Viacom, Ruppert Murdoch, General Electric, and Time-Warner. What utter nonsense to suggest that the plutocratic right would do everything it can to control the media, then allow it to be hijacked by their liberal on air talent. Sir, I apologize for the harshness of my observation, but you are thoroughly brain washed.
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To subject the world to and force everyone into their way of thinking is the way of the liberals. They are the only ones who have a say in any decision or mandate.
If you don't believe it, ask the media who is right minded.
Hal81
Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
NOSLEEP wrote:
Hal81 wrote:
True Fact: Guns are here to stay. Nothing they can do to change that. There are over 3 millon guns in the US . That ship has sailed. If a gun is used in any kind of a crime they should be punished to the full extent of the law. no perole. In fact the punishment should be doubled.
More than 270 million guns...
ABC news says over 300 milion I have on way of knowing who is right. they all lie.
tschmath wrote:
NOSLEEP wrote:
Tens of thousands of unborn girls in the U.S. have been eliminated for no other reason than they are considered by some to be the wrong sex.
Prove it. This is nonsense.
Here is a link to an article in the Atlantic
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/sex-selection-in-america-why-it-persists-and-how-we-can-change-it/257864/#From the article, sex selection abortion is most prevalent in Korean, Chinese, and Indian communities where the birth ratio of boys to girls is 1.17 in households with the only child is one girl. The ratio increases to 1.51 when the children consist of two girls.
But what is the size of these communities? The article didn't mention that nor how many families had the 1 or 2 female children but Asians make up 4.43 of the population. Now abortion rates are not the same among different ethnic groups but if were proportional to the overall rate, it would amount to over 50,000 a year. But how many are due to sex selection? I don't know. I also don't know if NOSLEEP's number was for one year or a cumulative measure.
Sex selection abortion came to the attention of a feminist writer some time ago and her solution was to make revealing the sex of unborn babies illegal since the other obvious legislative solution is off limits to her ideology.
It is recognized as a problem by people and groups on both side of the abortion issue. Whether it is happening is settled. The only question is how much.
Kinopless wrote:
Compulsory sterilization for anybody that owns a gun. That way the madness won't be passed on to your children.. It'll take a few years but could work out..
You get the prize for the most ignorant and bigoted post.
Robbie7 wrote:
1. Sales of the AR-15 rocketed following the Sandy Hook killings.
2. Brownells sold more high capacity bullet magazines in 3 days than it had in 3.5 years.
3. Cinema shooting in Aurora,Colarado resulted in a 41% increase in gun sales the following month.
4. Population of the US = 311 million estimated guns in circulation 300 million.
5. Between 4 and 7 million guns manufatured in USA/annum
6. 100,000 Americans shot yearly with a gun, 31,000 fatally.
7. 11,000 murders, 18,000 suicides.
8. Since 1968 over 1 million americans have been killed with gun
9. The US firearm murder rate is 19.5% higher than the next 22 most high income populous countries , when combined the 23 countries show 80% of these murders are in the USA.
10. 6 of the 12 US worst mass murders have occured since 2007.
11. You cant legally buy in a Supermarket more than 6 packets of Sudafed tablets or a Chocolate Kinder egg or some french cheeses etc but! you can go to Walmarts and buy an AR-57 plus 100 bullet magazines. the weapon that has been used in the last 4 mass killings.
Since gun massacres in Uk,Japan and Autrailia gun laws have been tightened up and the results have shown a huge decrease in gun crime..
Point to ponder: If everyone in the cinema had been armed and began shooting in the half light.Hmm
Please feel free to dispute these facts as given, I am only the conveyer. :oops:
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Yesterday I went to the Funeral of a brother Firefighter, a New firefighter. He was only 19 he and another brother Firefighter where gunned down in the early moring hours of Christmas eve by a lunitic that was a convicted felon. A man that had murdered before. Legally this individual can not own or posess firearms except a muzzle loader. However he still obtained them and used them. He Killed 2 firefighters and seriously injured 2 others. This persons intent was to kill people including his own family. I do not care what insterment is used. If a person wants to do bodily harm to another bad enough. They will
I also feel that if the laws that are currently on the books where better enforced serious crime involving guns would happen less. One more thing Almost in every case that has been cited here and in the press in the las couple of weeks, most of these shooters have been found to be mentally unstable. Its time that our medical profession, and our educators are allow to talk to other athorities about an individual that they may be concerned about, insted of being forced to keep quiet because of " Right to privacy laws"
Blake
Blake wrote:
Yesterday I went to the Funeral of a brother Firefighter, a New firefighter. He was only 19 he and another brother Firefighter where gunned down in the early moring hours of Christmas eve by a lunitic that was a convicted felon. A man that had murdered before. Legally this individual can not own or posess firearms except a muzzle loader. However he still obtained them and used them. He Killed 2 firefighters and seriously injured 2 others. This persons intent was to kill people including his own family. I do not care what insterment is used. If a person wants to do bodily harm to another bad enough. They will
I also feel that if the laws that are currently on the books where better enforced serious crime involving guns would happen less. One more thing Almost in every case that has been cited here and in the press in the las couple of weeks, most of these shooters have been found to be mentally unstable. Its time that our medical profession, and our educators are allow to talk to other athorities about an individual that they may be concerned about, insted of being forced to keep quiet because of " Right to privacy laws"
Blake
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This is a crime that should never have happened. The shooter beat his grandmother to death with a hammer. If that doesn't scream mental illness what does? Why was he out of jail?
I pray for your friends and that you never have another funeral like that.
ted45 wrote:
Blake wrote:
Yesterday I went to the Funeral of a brother Firefighter, a New firefighter. He was only 19 he and another brother Firefighter where gunned down in the early moring hours of Christmas eve by a lunitic that was a convicted felon. A man that had murdered before. Legally this individual can not own or posess firearms except a muzzle loader. However he still obtained them and used them. He Killed 2 firefighters and seriously injured 2 others. This persons intent was to kill people including his own family. I do not care what insterment is used. If a person wants to do bodily harm to another bad enough. They will
I also feel that if the laws that are currently on the books where better enforced serious crime involving guns would happen less. One more thing Almost in every case that has been cited here and in the press in the las couple of weeks, most of these shooters have been found to be mentally unstable. Its time that our medical profession, and our educators are allow to talk to other athorities about an individual that they may be concerned about, insted of being forced to keep quiet because of " Right to privacy laws"
Blake
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This is a crime that should never have happened. The shooter beat his grandmother to death with a hammer. If that doesn't scream mental illness what does? Why was he out of jail?
I pray for your friends and that you never have another funeral like that.
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Thank you but, unfortunately, it will
Hal81 wrote:
ABC news says over 300 milion I have on way of knowing who is right. they all lie.
It is closer to 300 million. That's about one gun per person on average.
But they aren't distributed one to each person. A good friend of mine likes to say, "If you know how many gun you own it isn't enough".
I don't think most pro gun folks would have a problem with your statement except the part about being doubled. If someone is killed with a gun, knife or bomb does it really make any difference? Why should the penalty double just because it was done with a gun. Unfortunately dead is dead.
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