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Nov 21, 2011 15:39:10   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
jolly1 wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
T wrote:
Both scenes are incomplete. The BW has NO sky, the color has very little. The one captures a touch of the time of day, the other less. One tends to speak about autumn, the other about textures. One comes out at you in part, the other is a flat in-active view on a wall...

In both cases you saw a reason to take a photo but failed to photograph a substantial portion of that reason, or season, or day, or place or color or context. Spending more time, more film, and above all more THOUGHT to see, and to show, the whole scene would have produced many different photographs in both color and B&W.


Mathew Brady's photos had no

As to which would have been better...that would have been decided by what parts of the full story were seen and told in the end result... The scenes you show are not complete enough to decide the issue.

You did ask for complete candor...

My apologies if there was un-useful injury in the observations offered.
Both scenes are incomplete. The BW has NO sky, th... (show quote)




Mathew Brady's photo had "NO sky" either, yet they are among the most famous photos in American history. No one has ever complained about them.
quote=T Both scenes are incomplete. The BW has N... (show quote)



Please excuse the misprints. I have COPD and have a breathing problem at the moment.
quote=jolly1 quote=T Both scenes are incomplete.... (show quote)


What kind of breathing meds are you taking?

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Nov 21, 2011 15:43:07   #
nejanet Loc: Nebraska
 
The more I look at the photo, I think if I was close by that place I would go there whenever I could rain, snow, fall , winter whatever sometimes it is just the wrong time to get the shot you want.....sometimes early morning or late afternoon.....
Sometimes I take a shot of something just because I think it is interesting then I look on the computer screen and while it is different it is dull.....lol.....got lots of them....
Even the cute baby gets dull after 200 shots when he is 3 days old....

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Nov 21, 2011 15:47:21   #
dhelix33 Loc: Live in Raleigh, NC - Grew up in Teaneck, NJ
 
For me to simply say an image is 'boring' does not add value to your development as a photographer. For me to say; I like the image composition, however I believe if there was more tonemapping added in post processing, the image would have a provided more definitieve contract in grey scale; might be something you can build upon. (By the way - these images you posted are not the identical).

When I started out in photography with my Nikon F2 35mm film SLR (so many years ago), I shot 100% in black and white using a Nikkor 50mm prime (learned to zoom with my feet with that camera and lens – those were the days!)
I also developed the black and white film I shot, so I learned to complete the film imaging circle when starting out using this medium.

I prefer a black and white image in some cases when shooting with DSLRs today. I think that black and white images are classic and elegant; they can even be romantic and special.

When I was learning photography, the simplicity of black and white fill shooting helped me to focus on important things, like composition and pre-visualization. Today, I have found it possible convert a seemingly drab digital color shot into a superlative black and white image.

Back in the day, black and white prints had a refined quality about them. The simplicity and uncluttered look gave the subject a polished, high-class feel. I believe that without the “distraction” of color, a picture leads each viewer to recognize the individuality and uniqueness of the subject(s) in an image.

One thing that has always given me the opportunity to see things “fresh” is to always enjoy the process of capturing an image, and having fun doing so. Keep on practicing, and honing your craft.

Pre-visualization is one of the most important factors, and you can set most late model DSLR cameras to a "Monochrome” setting which will produce grey scale image when taking a shot. I capture all of my images in color. When composing an image, at times I will pre-visualize a color image in black and white prior to post-processing.

Most of all have fun on your journey of image creation.

Cheers!
dhelix33

Here are some samples of my black and white images:































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Nov 21, 2011 15:57:01   #
jolly1
 
Fstop12 wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
T wrote:
Both scenes are incomplete. The BW has NO sky, the color has very little. The one captures a touch of the time of day, the other less. One tends to speak about autumn, the other about textures. One comes out at you in part, the other is a flat in-active view on a wall...

In both cases you saw a reason to take a photo but failed to photograph a substantial portion of that reason, or season, or day, or place or color or context. Spending more time, more film, and above all more THOUGHT to see, and to show, the whole scene would have produced many different photographs in both color and B&W.


Mathew Brady's photos had no

As to which would have been better...that would have been decided by what parts of the full story were seen and told in the end result... The scenes you show are not complete enough to decide the issue.

You did ask for complete candor...

My apologies if there was un-useful injury in the observations offered.
Both scenes are incomplete. The BW has NO sky, th... (show quote)




Mathew Brady's photo had "NO sky" either, yet they are among the most famous photos in American history. No one has ever complained about them.
quote=T Both scenes are incomplete. The BW has N... (show quote)



Please excuse the misprints. I have COPD and have a breathing problem at the moment.
quote=jolly1 quote=T Both scenes are incomplete.... (show quote)


What kind of breathing meds are you taking?
quote=jolly1 quote=jolly1 quote=T Both scenes a... (show quote)



Spiriva, Symbicort, and Ventolin. And, of course, oxygen, when ever someone reminds me to put it on. They tell me I am in "Stage 3" of COPD. Oh well, into each life a fresh breath must fall. Or something like that.

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Nov 21, 2011 15:57:12   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
dhelix33 wrote:
When I started out in photography with my Nikon F2 35mm film SLR (so many years ago), I shot 100% in black and white using a Nikkor 50mm prime (learned to zoom with my feet with that camera and lens – those were the days!)
I also developed the black and white film I shot, so I learned to complete the film imaging circle when starting out using this medium.

I prefer a black and white image in some cases when shooting with DSLRs today. I think that black and white images are classic and elegant; they can even be romantic and special.

When I was learning photography, the simplicity of black and white fill shooting helped me to focus on important things, like composition and pre-visualization. Today, I have found it possible convert a seemingly drab digital color shot into a superlative black and white image.

Back in the day, black and white prints had a refined quality about them. The simplicity and uncluttered look gave the subject a polished, high-class feel. I believe that without the “distraction” of color, a picture leads each viewer to recognize the individuality and uniqueness of the subject(s) in an image.

One thing that has always given me the opportunity to see things “fresh” is to always enjoy the process of capturing an image, and having fun doing so. Keep on practicing, and honing your craft.

Pre-visualization is one of the most important factors, and you can set most late model DSLR cameras to a "Monochrome” setting which will produce grey scale image when taking a shot. I capture all of my images in color. When composing an image, at times I will pre-visualize a color image in black and white prior to post-processing.

Most of all have fun on your journey of image creation.

Cheers!
dhelix33

Here are some samples of my black and white images:
When I started out in photography with my Nikon F2... (show quote)


Nice, I really like your last shot.

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Nov 21, 2011 16:06:57   #
jolly1
 
dhelix33 wrote:
For me to simply say an image is 'boring' does not add value to your development as a photographer. For me to say; I like the image composition, however I believe if there was more tonemapping added in post processing, the image would have a provided more definitieve contract in grey scale; might be something you can build upon. (By the way - these images you posted are not the identical).

When I started out in photography with my Nikon F2 35mm film SLR (so many years ago), I shot 100% in black and white using a Nikkor 50mm prime (learned to zoom with my feet with that camera and lens – those were the days!)


Beautiful work! A photographer after my own heart. And I like your last one the best. Reminds me of the old homestead that I left to go fight the invading Yankees. Never got back to it.
Seriously though, have you ever done any work with paper negatives? Made from color transparencies, usually under exposed ones.
I also developed the black and white film I shot, so I learned to complete the film imaging circle when starting out using this medium.

I prefer a black and white image in some cases when shooting with DSLRs today. I think that black and white images are classic and elegant; they can even be romantic and special.

When I was learning photography, the simplicity of black and white fill shooting helped me to focus on important things, like composition and pre-visualization. Today, I have found it possible convert a seemingly drab digital color shot into a superlative black and white image.

Back in the day, black and white prints had a refined quality about them. The simplicity and uncluttered look gave the subject a polished, high-class feel. I believe that without the “distraction” of color, a picture leads each viewer to recognize the individuality and uniqueness of the subject(s) in an image.

One thing that has always given me the opportunity to see things “fresh” is to always enjoy the process of capturing an image, and having fun doing so. Keep on practicing, and honing your craft.

Pre-visualization is one of the most important factors, and you can set most late model DSLR cameras to a "Monochrome” setting which will produce grey scale image when taking a shot. I capture all of my images in color. When composing an image, at times I will pre-visualize a color image in black and white prior to post-processing.

Most of all have fun on your journey of image creation.

Cheers!
dhelix33

Here are some samples of my black and white images:
For me to simply say an image is 'boring' does not... (show quote)

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Nov 21, 2011 16:17:13   #
jolly1
 
jolly1 wrote:
dhelix33 wrote:
For me to simply say an image is 'boring' does not add value to your development as a photographer. For me to say; I like the image composition, however I believe if there was more tonemapping added in post processing, the image would have a provided more definitieve contract in grey scale; might be something you can build upon. (By the way - these images you posted are not the identical).

When I started out in photography with my Nikon F2 35mm film SLR (so many years ago), I shot 100% in black and white using a Nikkor 50mm prime (learned to zoom with my feet with that camera and lens – those were the days!)


I seems that my previous remarks concerning your beautiful black and white photos were placed out of context. And, I made a mistake in my wording. Where I said "your last photo"
it appears that I should have said your ninth photo. (the one of the old log cabin.) Gee, that's about the fifth mistake I have ever made in my lifetime. The first four were getting married!!!!


Beautiful work! A photographer after my own heart. And I like your last one the best. Reminds me of the old homestead that I left to go fight the invading Yankees. Never got back to it.
Seriously though, have you ever done any work with paper negatives? Made from color transparencies, usually under exposed ones.
I also developed the black and white film I shot, so I learned to complete the film imaging circle when starting out using this medium.

I prefer a black and white image in some cases when shooting with DSLRs today. I think that black and white images are classic and elegant; they can even be romantic and special.

When I was learning photography, the simplicity of black and white fill shooting helped me to focus on important things, like composition and pre-visualization. Today, I have found it possible convert a seemingly drab digital color shot into a superlative black and white image.

Back in the day, black and white prints had a refined quality about them. The simplicity and uncluttered look gave the subject a polished, high-class feel. I believe that without the “distraction” of color, a picture leads each viewer to recognize the individuality and uniqueness of the subject(s) in an image.

One thing that has always given me the opportunity to see things “fresh” is to always enjoy the process of capturing an image, and having fun doing so. Keep on practicing, and honing your craft.

Pre-visualization is one of the most important factors, and you can set most late model DSLR cameras to a "Monochrome” setting which will produce grey scale image when taking a shot. I capture all of my images in color. When composing an image, at times I will pre-visualize a color image in black and white prior to post-processing.

Most of all have fun on your journey of image creation.

Cheers!
dhelix33

Here are some samples of my black and white images:
For me to simply say an image is 'boring' does not... (show quote)
quote=dhelix33 For me to simply say an image is '... (show quote)

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Nov 21, 2011 16:54:05   #
pebble70 Loc: Winchester, MA USA
 
[quote=PalePictures]
leatherhelmets wrote:
All,

Saw this scene yesterday and went back and shot it this morning. Looking for very honest hard hitting criticism and everyone's opinion as to whether it's more effective in color or B&W.

Let me have it.


nothing grabbing me about this shot; think i prefer the color version///it may be over color corected

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Nov 21, 2011 17:07:50   #
Robert Graybeal Loc: Myrtle Beach
 
dhelix33, I like your work, I think I like the first one the best.
What is you work flow or process for converting to B&W?
Or is it a secret?

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Nov 21, 2011 17:27:29   #
Kaerynn
 
Might make a nice back gound for a farm product ad. No center or interest point, and certainly not taken to remember a really pretty or interesting place.

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Nov 21, 2011 17:45:29   #
dhelix33 Loc: Live in Raleigh, NC - Grew up in Teaneck, NJ
 
Robert Graybeal wrote:
dhelix33, I like your work, I think I like the first one the best.
What is you work flow or process for converting to B&W?
Or is it a secret?


That was a good choice - one that involved some detailed work. It is a merged multiple exposure HDR that I converted to black and white. No 'secret' here - I post-processes images with Paintshop Photo Pro X4 and/or Photomatix 4. Here are the specs on that first image...

Five 14-bit RAW image merge
Photomatix 4; Paintshop Photo Pro X3 Tone Mapping
Photomatix 4 Black & White conversion

Image Size:L (4256 x 2832), FX
Image Quality: Compressed RAW (14-bit)

Device: Nikon D700
Lens: Sigma 24-70mm F/2.8G
Focal Length: 24mm

Exposure Mode: Manual
Aperture: F/11
Focus Mode: AF-S
AF-Area Mode: Dynamic, 51 points
ISO Sensitivity: 100
Vignette Control: High

Exposure 1
Shutter Speed:1/60s
Exposure Comp.:+0.3EV

Exposure 2
Shutter Speed:1/125s
Exposure Comp.:-0.7EV

Exposure 3
Shutter Speed:1/250s
Exposure Comp.:-1.7EV

Exposure 4
Shutter Speed:1/500s
Exposure Comp.:-2.7EV

Exposure 5
Shutter Speed:1/1000s
Exposure Comp.:-3.7EV

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Nov 21, 2011 18:48:15   #
leatherhelmets Loc: Center Conway, NH
 
dhelix,

Great comments and very nice images. I see some HDR work in there and the pop of color is interesting. You are correct ( and several others have pointed it out) the images are not the same they are from a slightly different angle. I like B&W too and I'm trying to take in the feedback and grow.

What do you think of my idea of a "Critic's Corner" where one member's photo is put up weekly for critical review?

Thanks for the input.

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Nov 21, 2011 18:52:33   #
kodie Loc: North Carolina
 
I go for the b&w photo, play around with a depth of field conversion filter in one of the edit programs. it would be interesting to see how it turns out. I know photoshop has one and maybe corel also.

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Nov 21, 2011 19:02:35   #
dhelix33 Loc: Live in Raleigh, NC - Grew up in Teaneck, NJ
 
To err is human... I made several errors in the introduction text I wrote. Was writing while at work - so I had to write fast - and didn't spell check. For instance the introduction should have been written this way,

"For me to simply say an image is 'boring' does not add value to your development as a photographer. For me to say; I like the image composition, however I believe if there was more tonemapping added in post processing, the image would have provided more definitive contrast in grey scale; might be something you can build upon. (By the way - these images you posted are not the identical)."

jolly1 wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
dhelix33 wrote:
For me to simply say an image is 'boring' does not add value to your development as a photographer. For me to say; I like the image composition, however I believe if there was more tonemapping added in post processing, the image would have a provided more definitieve contract in grey scale; might be something you can build upon. (By the way - these images you posted are not the identical).

When I started out in photography with my Nikon F2 35mm film SLR (so many years ago), I shot 100% in black and white using a Nikkor 50mm prime (learned to zoom with my feet with that camera and lens – those were the days!)


I seems that my previous remarks concerning your beautiful black and white photos were placed out of context. And, I made a mistake in my wording. Where I said "your last photo"
it appears that I should have said your ninth photo. (the one of the old log cabin.) Gee, that's about the fifth mistake I have ever made in my lifetime. The first four were getting married!!!!


Beautiful work! A photographer after my own heart. And I like your last one the best. Reminds me of the old homestead that I left to go fight the invading Yankees. Never got back to it.
Seriously though, have you ever done any work with paper negatives? Made from color transparencies, usually under exposed ones.
I also developed the black and white film I shot, so I learned to complete the film imaging circle when starting out using this medium.

I prefer a black and white image in some cases when shooting with DSLRs today. I think that black and white images are classic and elegant; they can even be romantic and special.

When I was learning photography, the simplicity of black and white fill shooting helped me to focus on important things, like composition and pre-visualization. Today, I have found it possible convert a seemingly drab digital color shot into a superlative black and white image.

Back in the day, black and white prints had a refined quality about them. The simplicity and uncluttered look gave the subject a polished, high-class feel. I believe that without the “distraction” of color, a picture leads each viewer to recognize the individuality and uniqueness of the subject(s) in an image.

One thing that has always given me the opportunity to see things “fresh” is to always enjoy the process of capturing an image, and having fun doing so. Keep on practicing, and honing your craft.

Pre-visualization is one of the most important factors, and you can set most late model DSLR cameras to a "Monochrome” setting which will produce grey scale image when taking a shot. I capture all of my images in color. When composing an image, at times I will pre-visualize a color image in black and white prior to post-processing.

Most of all have fun on your journey of image creation.

Cheers!
dhelix33

Here are some samples of my black and white images:
For me to simply say an image is 'boring' does not... (show quote)
quote=dhelix33 For me to simply say an image is '... (show quote)
quote=jolly1 quote=dhelix33 For me to simply say... (show quote)

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Nov 21, 2011 19:03:44   #
dhelix33 Loc: Live in Raleigh, NC - Grew up in Teaneck, NJ
 
To err is human... I made several errors in the introduction text I wrote. Was writing while at work - so I had to write fast - and didn't spell check. For instance the introduction should have been written this way,

"For me to simply say an image is 'boring' does not add value to your development as a photographer. For me to say; I like the image composition, however I believe if there was more tonemapping added in post processing, the image would have provided more definitive contrast in grey scale; might be something you can build upon. (By the way - these images you posted are not identical)."

leatherhelmets wrote:
dhelix,

Great comments and very nice images. I see some HDR work in there and the pop of color is interesting. You are correct ( and several others have pointed it out) the images are not the same they are from a slightly different angle. I like B&W too and I'm trying to take in the feedback and grow.

What do you think of my idea of a "Critic's Corner" where one member's photo is put up weekly for critical review?

Thanks for the input.

Reply
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