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Apr 10, 2024 08:27:51   #
mvetrano2 Loc: Commack, NY
 
jlocke wrote:
I am of the "don't say anything if you can't say something nice" crowd, especially when the photo is posted in a section that isn't open to criticism. On the other hand, if I don't think the photo(s) are especially nice, I just move on without leaving a comment.

Not long ago I posted some photos of a woodpecker in our backyard, and one comment was to the effect that some of them looked a little soft. I don't mind that criticism, I shot through the kitchen window, so yeah.


Ditto!

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Apr 10, 2024 08:28:40   #
taffspride Loc: Originally Wales, now the Sunshine State
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Rick, your topic is well meaning, not a rant at all. However, you're starting with the wrong assumption.

Photo Gallery is primarily a social sharing site. The majority of UHH users are over 70 years old.
Those who wish to "improve" (the meaning will be different for everyone) will ask for help.

Regarding where you can post photos, there are dozens of under-utilized volunteer-managed sections. Anyone unfamiliar should go to "all sections" at the bottom of this page. Subscribe to those of interest, and participate!

I frequent Landscape section and Black and White. And I always encourage feedback I also co-manage Digital Artistry, where we are open to constructive suggestions and opinions.

A note about Photo Analysis. The guidelines, written by Admin, are very specific as to that section's purpose. Folks who want to post there should read that pinned doc first. Otherwise, Admin will just move them to Gallery.
Rick, your topic is well meaning, not a rant at al... (show quote)


I find your first comment extremely condescending, as a well over 70 year old, I am constantly practicing to improve my photography, as are the majority of our club members. Even our expert photographers say they want constructive critiques. We attend training sessions, workshops field trips and request constructive feedback all with the intention of improving our photography. We have noticed it is the younger members who don't like being told anything negative.

It us helpful when there are backstories with the images. Along with settings and sometimes tips.

I do tend to pass by the images that really need work when they appear, and also tend to follow those photographers whose work I like.

Iechyd da

Ann

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Apr 10, 2024 08:33:59   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Rick from NY wrote:
Folks - I raised this subject a few years back and thought I’d give it an encore. UHH has 2 sections for members to post pics - Photo Gallery and Photo Analysis and posting constructive criticism in the first is frowned upon. I think this rule does a disservice to photographers looking to up their game.

I often look at posts in the Gallery and too often see, sorry for the blunt language, just awful photos. I’m not talking about subjective matters. I’m talking about pics that are out of focus, poorly exposed, with wildly tilted horizons (not done intentionally for artistic purposes), badly post processed or overprocessed, poorly composed with telephone poles growing out of heads, etc. or any number of other technical (NOT subjective) flaws.

And most times, well meaning members post, “Great set”, or “Nicely done” or other “ attaboys” in an attempt to not hurt another member’s feelings. I see this as counterproductive and reinforcing bad technique by poster. I ask how is a member to develop better photography skills if, I again apologize upfront, technically terrible pics are displayed and followed by lots of gushing platitudes?

Last time I mentioned this, I was slapped down by numerous members who argue that unless a poster requests constructive criticism, nothing negative should be said. Ok - I’ll buy the “If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing” idea, but gushing over bad stuff does harm to the poster too. If the pics are bad, say nothing. Stop reinforcing bad work.

Just a suggestion to those posting to the Gallery in the future - think about soliciting criticisms so you can improve your work. Sure you will get many nasty, snarky and often incorrect replies from a certain subsection of members, but you will also get many great suggestions for improvement offered in a polite, constructive manner. I’ve been a photographer for 55 yrs and I welcome all well meaning and civil critiques. We are never too old to learn a new trick.

Anxious to see the replies to this rant.
Folks - I raised this subject a few years back and... (show quote)


All UHH Members are navigating the steep and winding road to taking better pics. I’m afraid that my pics are just snapshots documenting our travels, family gatherings, special events, and our pastoral locality. This leaves my to shoot people and scenes on the fly and concentrate mainly on exposure, framing, depth of field, and post processing vice mostly artistic qualities. I seriously doubt if anyone posting on UHH is soliciting an “At-ta-Boy”. I also believe that folks just starting out realize their shortcomings when posting among some of the UHH more talented members. But that is OK since everyone has to start somewhere. It is OK to acknowledge a “best-effort” shot with “Thumbs” and such. As for me I usually remember to post the “File and Metadata” for the pic file, and ask for “Constructive Comments”. When I ask for comments I expect (wish) to receive comments regarding improving composition, brightness, contrast, haze-clarity*, and color**, or any tips which I may apply. Thumbs to Horseart, Wingpilot, Longshadow, MJPerini, CHG_CANON, Linda From Maine (comments/links), Retired CPO and others who have contributed to this thread in a positive way.
Constructive comments always make me . . .
Smile,
JimmyT Sends
* Thanks R.G., your kind counsel have made a world of difference!
** since I am “color deficient”
PS: I know that there are some great pics stuck in my expensive camera/lens just waiting to be liberated, sigh. So please help me liberate them.

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Apr 10, 2024 08:42:07   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
taffspride wrote:
I find your first comment extremely condescending, as a well over 70 year old, I am constantly practicing to improve my photography, as are the majority of our club members. Even our expert photographers say they want constructive critiques. We attend training sessions, workshops field trips and request constructive feedback all with the intention of improving our photography. We have noticed it is the younger members who don't like being told anything negative.

It us helpful when there are backstories with the images. Along with settings and sometimes tips.

I do tend to pass by the images that really need work when they appear, and also tend to follow those photographers whose work I like.

Iechyd da

Ann
I find your first comment extremely condescending,... (show quote)

Some people breath in the environment and exhale images.
But not all.........

I don't share your philosophy,
I share Linda's.

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Apr 10, 2024 08:43:16   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
taffspride wrote:
I find your first comment extremely condescending, as a well over 70 year old, I am constantly practicing to improve my photography, as are the majority of our club members. Even our expert photographers say they want constructive critiques. We attend training sessions, workshops field trips and request constructive feedback all with the intention of improving our photography. We have noticed it is the younger members who don't like being told anything negative.

It us helpful when there are backstories with the images. Along with settings and sometimes tips.

I do tend to pass by the images that really need work when they appear, and also tend to follow those photographers whose work I like.

Iechyd da

Ann
I find your first comment extremely condescending,... (show quote)


Apparently you never read the rules for the Photo Gallery.

Photo Gallery Section

This section is for posting pictures you took. If you want to ask others to comment on your choice of subjects, composition, settings, show off your pictures to others, or ask for general critique, then please do so in the Photo Gallery section.


In other words, if someone wants your opinion about their photo they should ask for it.

You can add a line to your signature that says "Advice Welcome"

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Apr 10, 2024 08:46:15   #
taffspride Loc: Originally Wales, now the Sunshine State
 
Longshadow wrote:
Some people breath in the environment and exhale images.
But not all.........

I don't share your philosophy,
I share Linda's.


That is your prerogative.

So those of us who are over seventy shouldn't be concerned about improving our photography. Shouldn't want or ask for constructive critiques?

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Apr 10, 2024 08:47:51   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
User ID wrote:
"Great Capture"


Thank you User ID!! Glad you liked it!!

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Apr 10, 2024 08:50:34   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Bill_de wrote:
Apparently you never read the rules for the Photo Gallery.

Photo Gallery Section

This section is for posting pictures you took. If you want to ask others to comment on your choice of subjects, composition, settings, show off your pictures to others, or ask for general critique, then please do so in the Photo Gallery section.


In other words, if someone wants your opinion about their photo they should ask for it.

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Apr 10, 2024 08:52:34   #
taffspride Loc: Originally Wales, now the Sunshine State
 
[quote=Bill_de]Apparently you never read the rules for the Photo Gallery.

Photo Gallery Section

This section is for posting pictures you took. If you want to ask others to comment on your choice of subjects, composition, settings, show off your pictures to others, or ask for general critique, then please do so in the Photo Gallery section.


In other words, if someone wants your opinion about their photo they should ask for it.

I agree if you want critiques ask for the, but don't assume most here on UHH are over 70 and don't want critiques or improve.

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Apr 10, 2024 08:56:24   #
taffspride Loc: Originally Wales, now the Sunshine State
 
Bill_de wrote:
Apparently you never read the rules for the Photo Gallery.

Photo Gallery Section

This section is for posting pictures you took. If you want to ask others to comment on your choice of subjects, composition, settings, show off your pictures to others, or ask for general critique, then please do so in the Photo Gallery section.


In other words, if someone wants your opinion about their photo they should ask for it.

You can add a line to your signature that says "Comments Welcome"

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Apparently you never read the rules for the Photo ... (show quote)


Unlike most of do sign off. And respond with a thank you if someone compliments my work.

Iechyd da

Ann

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Apr 10, 2024 08:57:30   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
taffspride wrote:
That is your prerogative.

So those of us who are over seventy shouldn't be concerned about improving our photography. Shouldn't want or ask for constructive critiques?

Well, I'm over 70 and not obsessed with improving my photography (for over 50 years), I'm quite satisfied with it.
And if something doesn't work out the way I anticipated it to, oh well.
I shoot for me, not to be "perfect", but to enjoy what I do. It works.
I enjoy photography so much more not worrying about always making things "better".

Yes, my prerogative.

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Apr 10, 2024 09:12:39   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Inspiring/uninspiring is totally relative...
Just because it isn't to you doesn't mean it isn't to others.
I suppose some, on a scale of 1-10, have requirements of 75 (or higher).
You mean life is too short to spend time looking at things you don't care for?
But how do you know you don't care for it if you don't see it?
Or are we all just subordinate.


75 is pretty high for a scale of 1-10.
Maybe if it was a real gallery page with thumbnails I would look but having to go to a page for each image makes it untenable. I’ve seen enough there to know it’s a waste of time.

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Apr 10, 2024 09:19:44   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
75 is pretty high for a scale of 1-10.
Maybe if it was a real gallery page with thumbnails I would look but having to go to a page for each image makes it untenable. I’ve seen enough there to know it’s a waste of time.

Have you tried perusing Newest Pictures?
But they probably don't meet your standards, just easier to view a bunch at a time.
It's like a gallery in thumbnails, where you can express dislike.
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/newest-post-attachment-list

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Apr 10, 2024 09:20:44   #
joehel2 Loc: Cherry Hill, NJ
 
In this discussion, you can’t discount the fact that many UHH members have been here a long time. We have seen member photo contributions over the course of their development from “snap shooter” to photographer. When I comment that a member’s bird photo was “beautifully done”, I’m saying it’s good for them, not that it is equal to our members who are pro-level bird photographers. Personally, I’m not going to stop making encouraging comments.

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Apr 10, 2024 09:21:04   #
SlideArtist Loc: Connecticut
 
Lots of good comments about this critique of photographs submitted. My simple response would be YES. It is impossible to guess what the submitter of photographs had in mind other than a desire to share. Beyond that there are so many possible responses and we can't take in what was the background/intention of the individual. The only thing I would emphasize is kindness. Critique should never be plain nasty. In one club I belong to (as advanced beginner), but placed in "Master Class" had a judge say- as someone in master class "this halo on the image should never be acceptable in competition." I actually liked the halo effect. One other time a judge said "I see nothing positive about this picture." Kudos to telling the women something kind about the kitten/cat picture. You understood the BIGGER PICTURE of humanity-treating another in a caring way. Always better to err on side of gentle critique- in my opinion.

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