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Mar 22, 2024 06:59:11   #
Canisdirus
 
BebuLamar wrote:
You make the FX format GOD. So the 300mm f/9 lens for 8x10 would be 40mm f/1.2????


I'm not making anything 'god'...just presenting the ACTUAL MATH.

You did the interpreting...

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Mar 22, 2024 07:15:23   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
No...that would be you.

That can be found anywhere...the chart is 100% accurate.

I have seen some really dumb things on the Internet but yours are the dumbest.

If you can find that anywhere, show us a link.

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Mar 22, 2024 07:24:44   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
selmslie wrote:
That is total nonsense.


This is UHH, a tough place to get a good education.

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Mar 22, 2024 07:34:50   #
BebuLamar
 
User ID wrote:
Thaz barely semi-quasi entertaining, but DO NOT quit your day job just yet.


You find it entertaining???

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Mar 22, 2024 07:50:36   #
BebuLamar
 
Any way on a Nikon D7100 and with any AF lenses or even MF lenses that have CPU it should display the same range of aperture as the lens. No crop factor whatsoever. With non CPU lens you will have to enter the maximum aperture of the lens in the camera for it to display correctly.

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Mar 22, 2024 14:57:38   #
Bohica Loc: SE Coast of NC
 
OK So everybody has an opinion. We're talkin MF lenses used in manual, AF lenses give an error soon as you take them off the smallest f stop. I've tested 50mm f1.4, 50mmk f1.8, 50mm f2.0, 28mm f2.8, 200mm f4.0 and 300mm f4.5. Tested on D7100, 2 D7000, D300s, D300 and D200. Every lens on every camera has read a lower f stop in the viewfinder, so its not the lens and its not the camera

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Mar 22, 2024 15:25:45   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Bohica wrote:
OK So everybody has an opinion. We're talkin MF lenses used in manual, AF lenses give an error soon as you take them off the smallest f stop. I've tested 50mm f1.4, 50mmk f1.8, 50mm f2.0, 28mm f2.8, 200mm f4.0 and 300mm f4.5. Tested on D7100, 2 D7000, D300s, D300 and D200. Every lens on every camera has read a lower f stop in the viewfinder, so its not the lens and its not the camera

You are referring to the FEE error message displayed on DSLR camera LCD. It is explained in your camera's manual.

The fEE error is commonly the first error message in the manual's list.

This is known to anyone who has used an old lens on a newer Nikon camera, film or digital, full frame or crop, with an EE servo coupling.

If the "experts" you spoke with at Nikon were not aware of this then they are not very knowledgeable and don't belong on the help line staff.

You are right about one thing. It's not the lens and its not the camera. It's your own fault for not reading the manual.

If you don't have a manual for your camera you can download a copy for free. It's easier to use than the paper version that came with the camera.

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Mar 22, 2024 16:13:43   #
User ID
 
Bohica wrote:
pics downloaded to computer but when I try to post them computer says they're not there

Again you need a better question.

Per your description you face two possibilities. Either the pix did NOT download to the PC, or the target Location of the download was not known to you and youre always looking in the wrong place to find pix files for posting.

Its your system and youll hafta comb thru it. The UHH clown car will post all the guesses they can think up. Some will be nonsense and some might make sense yet not match your situation. If someone somehow does hit the nail on the head, good luck realizing it amidst all the noise. IOW youre back to combing thru your system, not just to find files that may or may not exist, but also to get to know all your settings and defaults (incuding the targets of downloads from apps).

For a ghost of a chance, youll need much clearer questions and descriptions than what youve been posting.

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Mar 22, 2024 17:17:53   #
Canisdirus
 
if you don't understand the chart...which is 100% accurate...

I cannot help you further.

100% accurate.

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Mar 22, 2024 17:55:17   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
if you don't understand the chart...which is 100% accurate...

I cannot help you further.

100% accurate.

What happened to, “That can be found anywhere...the chart is 100% accurate.”

If you can’t find it anywhere then you are lying.

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Mar 22, 2024 18:11:34   #
BebuLamar
 
Bohica wrote:
OK So everybody has an opinion. We're talkin MF lenses used in manual, AF lenses give an error soon as you take them off the smallest f stop. I've tested 50mm f1.4, 50mmk f1.8, 50mm f2.0, 28mm f2.8, 200mm f4.0 and 300mm f4.5. Tested on D7100, 2 D7000, D300s, D300 and D200. Every lens on every camera has read a lower f stop in the viewfinder, so its not the lens and its not the camera


If you want to have the aperture displayed correctly with MF lenses you have to enter the lens data for each of the lens you use. It's in the NON CPU LENS DATA menu. You can enter the data for up to 9 lenses. Whenever you mount the lens you will have to select the lens number. This is not only for the camera to display the correct aperture in the viewfinder but also to get the Matrix Metering to work correctly.

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Mar 22, 2024 18:17:47   #
Bayou
 
Canisdirus wrote:
I have found that quite a few folks who shoot photography do not understand the full crop conversion labels.
Mostly due to marketing...which will always emphasize the focal length (which looks great!) and leave out the aperture and iso conversions...because then the drawbacks become all too clear.

The complete and accurate crop conversion is...

Focal Length= Apply crop factor
Aperture= Apply crop factor
ISO= Apply crop factor squared (1.5 crop turns out to be 2.25 ... 1.5x1.5=2.25) (micro become 4 2x2=4)

An accurate example would be:

Take a full frame camera...shoot an image.
Take a crop sensor camera...shoot the exact same image.
Take a micro sensor camera...shoot the exact same image.

All framing is the same...

Simple enough.

Full frame takes the image with a `100mm f/2.8 lens at 200 iso

Crop sensor (1.5) image needs a 65mm f/1.8 at 133 iso to match the FF image

Micro (2x) image needs a 50mm f/1.4 at 50 iso to match the FF image.

Focal
Aperture
Iso

The exact same math can be applied between a full frame camera and a mediun format camera as well.
It doesn't change.

The problerm crop and micro run into is with a fast full frame lens.
I used a 100mm f/2.8 to be fair.

Throw on a 50mm f/1.0 full frame....and there is zero way a crop or micro can make the same image.

Imagine what a 25mm f0.5 would cost in micro...and the iso still sinks it in the end.

Shoot an image at iso 100 full frame...micro has to shoot at iso 25 to match...why they have the rep of being noisy...cannot be helped.

That's it...that's the entire enchilada...and accurate.

No matter what the marketing departments...leave out.
I have found that quite a few folks who shoot phot... (show quote)


That's the biggest load of misinformation I've ever seen in a single post. I hope you were trolling.

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Mar 22, 2024 20:01:56   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Bohica wrote:
OK So everybody has an opinion. We're talkin MF lenses used in manual, AF lenses give an error soon as you take them off the smallest f stop. I've tested 50mm f1.4, 50mmk f1.8, 50mm f2.0, 28mm f2.8, 200mm f4.0 and 300mm f4.5. Tested on D7100, 2 D7000, D300s, D300 and D200. Every lens on every camera has read a lower f stop in the viewfinder, so its not the lens and its not the camera


This has been mentioned, but might have been missed.

"AF lenses give an error soon as you take them off the smallest f stop."

Shot in the dark ...

If you are changing the aperture by changing it on the lens, that could be the issue. F stops on these cameras need to be set on the body, not the lens.

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Mar 22, 2024 20:03:40   #
Canisdirus
 
selmslie wrote:
What happened to, “That can be found anywhere...the chart is 100% accurate.”

If you can’t find it anywhere then you are lying.


https://photographylife.com/equivalence-also-includes-aperture-and-iso

Educate yourself...

I used my own made up parameters...but it's the same..of course.

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Mar 22, 2024 20:04:19   #
Canisdirus
 
Bayou wrote:
That's the biggest load of misinformation I've ever seen in a single post. I hope you were trolling.


Like I said from the start...some folks don't know...that would be you.

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