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Mar 19, 2024 21:28:26   #
twb930s Loc: Aldie, Virginia
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Imagine your life as a successful photographer. Does your camera still have a mirror?


How many times do we have to say it. It ain't the camera, its the brain pressing the shutter release. Even if mirrorless is the best choice, the camera doesn't make the image. It only records what the brain has chosen. Mirrorless, DSLR or old Leica/Zeiss/Nikon/Canon rangefinder camera, the person behind the viewfinder is the key factor in a great picture, not the camera itself. This argument is a waste of time spiraling down the rabbit hole.

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Mar 19, 2024 21:32:07   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Rongnongno wrote:
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else.

The idea of using a display instead of through the lens is reverting to old time when folks were looking from above to focus...

Issues with the display...
- LIGHT!!! If too bright, good luck using the display.
- Eyes issue If one needs glasses all bets are off, there is no way to adjust for that but use the tiny in camera display in the 'view finder'. Go check for accuracy on that since the display is made of tiny pixels vs 'a normal light' (analog)
- Weight unbalance. (Light body, heavy lens)

That is one of the few reasons why I will not upgrade to mirrorless, even if I do appreciate the new sensors.
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else. br b... (show quote)
Are you forgetting about the EVF? All my mirrorless cameras have EVFs and I use the EVF for shooting. I don’t use the LCD screen much.

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Mar 19, 2024 21:37:32   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
twb930s wrote:
How many times do we have to say it. It ain't the camera, its the brain pressing the shutter release. Even if mirrorless is the best choice, the camera doesn't make the image. It only records what the brain has chosen. Mirrorless, DSLR or old Leica/Zeiss/Nikon/Canon rangefinder camera, the person behind the viewfinder is the key factor in a great picture, not the camera itself. This argument is a waste of time spiraling down the rabbit hole.

And so many are so proud of their camera(s). Makes them feel good.
Really good.

"With this camera I can conquer the world...".

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Mar 19, 2024 21:45:27   #
sxrich
 
blthomas438 wrote:
I totally agree with you. Don't need new technology to become a better photographer. Will never switch to a Mirror less camera. I can get fantastic shots with all my DSLR'S, And no EVF can match a live view through the lens. It's called talent and experience, I have honed my skills over the past 30+ years. And knowing the equipment you use inside and out. New Mirror less cameras just make it easier for less experienced photographers. I don't like the light cheesey feel of mirror less body's. I love the solid feel And Tank like quality and battery life of my D850s.
I totally agree with you. Don't need new technolog... (show quote)


Bingo~ Right on the money. d850 may be one of the finest dslr's made. I'd take a d4s, d5, d850 etc. Here's a pic taken with an older Nikon d5100 and the kit lens 55-300dx. I don't see many images from mirrorless shooters that are far superior. And, frankly, the mirrorless shooters who can't read and manipulate light, post process etc present images that are not nearly as good.


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Mar 19, 2024 22:33:01   #
ReFlections Loc: From LA to AL
 
sxrich wrote:
Bingo~ Right on the money. d850 may be one of the finest dslr's made. I'd take a d4s, d5, d850 etc. Here's a pic taken with an older Nikon d5100 and the kit lens 55-300dx. I don't see many images from mirrorless shooters that are far superior. And, frankly, the mirrorless shooters who can't read and manipulate light, post process etc present images that are not nearly as good.



Great Shot!

“The End”

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Mar 19, 2024 22:59:09   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
The hottest tool of 2024 will be the Ron Popeil mirrorless conversion kit for only $19.95 plus S&H. But wait! If you order in the next 30 minutes, you will get not one, but two conversion kits for only $19.95 with free shipping! Why spend thousands of dollars on overpriced mirrorless cameras when you can have mirrorless for a lot less!

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1. With the lens removed, lift the mirror into position.
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3. Yank it out as hard and quickly as you can.

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Seriously though, the only aspect of DSLRs I liked was the longer battery life, and the OVF in BRIGHT lighting. Other than that, mirrorless is the way to go, but keep in mind many are still using the DSLR very well in 2024 and beyond.



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Mar 19, 2024 23:54:49   #
Bruce T Loc: Michigan
 
Hi. My Canon RP doesn’t have IBIS? My Canon RP is a mirrorless. I was shooting a car show on Sunday and with the sun out, I had a hard time seeing the back screen. I had to use the viewfinder.
Doesn’t my Canon 5D4 have focus peaking, also? I just heard about focus peaking just a few days ago.

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Mar 20, 2024 00:13:12   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
twb930s wrote:
How many times do we have to say it. It ain't the camera, its the brain pressing the shutter release. Even if mirrorless is the best choice, the camera doesn't make the image. It only records what the brain has chosen. Mirrorless, DSLR or old Leica/Zeiss/Nikon/Canon rangefinder camera, the person behind the viewfinder is the key factor in a great picture, not the camera itself. This argument is a waste of time spiraling down the rabbit hole.


While it is the most important thing the choice of camera still is t trivial.

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Mar 20, 2024 02:04:50   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
While it is the most important thing the choice of camera still is t trivial.


Agreed. The camera is a tool that is necessary for taking pictures. If you need features that your camera doesn't have to be creative, and if another camera has those features, then you need the other camera. It's very simple. If you don't, then don't buy a new camera.

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Mar 20, 2024 05:54:35   #
pecohen Loc: Central Maine
 
Rongnongno wrote:
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else.

The idea of using a display instead of through the lens is reverting to old time when folks were looking from above to focus...

Issues with the display...
- LIGHT!!! If too bright, good luck using the display.
- Eyes issue If one needs glasses all bets are off, there is no way to adjust for that but use the tiny in camera display in the 'view finder'. Go check for accuracy on that since the display is made of tiny pixels vs 'a normal light' (analog)
- Weight unbalance. (Light body, heavy lens)

That is one of the few reasons why I will not upgrade to mirrorless, even if I do appreciate the new sensors.
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else. br b... (show quote)


It's different strokes for different folks. We don't all have to come to the same conclusions.

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Mar 20, 2024 06:29:00   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
pecohen wrote:
It's different strokes for different folks. We don't all have to come to the same conclusions.

Right.

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Mar 20, 2024 07:23:54   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
therwol wrote:
Agreed. The camera is a tool that is necessary for taking pictures. If you need features that your camera doesn't have to be creative, and if another camera has those features, then you need the other camera. It's very simple. If you don't, then don't buy a new camera.


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Mar 20, 2024 07:24:09   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
pecohen wrote:
It's different strokes for different folks. We don't all have to come to the same conclusions.


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Mar 20, 2024 07:34:41   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
The mirrorless cameras are far more technologically advanced. If you don’t understand it or need it stick to your instamatic. They both take pictures.
And I look through a view finder on my Z9 not the screen.

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Mar 20, 2024 07:40:29   #
robertkjr3d Loc: Ann Arbor, MI
 
Rongnongno wrote:

- If you have issues with your vision, the digital display simply does not work, even using the electronic view finder.
- Weight unbalance, a major factor even if the camera is shooting as a higher rate.

As someone who has switched from the 'Regular Viewfinder' to EVF to eventually not using the EVF anymore. I don't understand the difference you'd have with poor vision either way. If your saying you don't trust what the 'electronic' view is showing you. I think that's part of the difference with 'Electronic' view is that it is "estimating" what the final picture is gonna be like... where as a 'Mechanical' View Finder is a straight scope. The 'Electronic' one will show you what it 'Hopefully' will look like with the 'estimated' Exposure settings you have selected. However as said... I don't use the EVF anymore personally. I just use the 'Rear-Screen' display.

I'll tell you another story: With Astrophotography, the rear-screen is not big enough. The EVF will not help either. I actually hook up my camera to a Monitor: Say I'm trying to focus on the 'Sun', and this requires 'Manual-Focus'... I'm preparing for the Solar Eclipse. In that case I agree with you the rear-screen is not big enough for my eyes, but I don't think any Mechanical View Finder would help either, because when looking at the Sun... you'd go blind...haha. But an EVF is fine because it's through the filter, but it doesn't help.

Rongnongno wrote:

Lastly, and a minor issue, at least for a few, is the cost of changing over. Anyone who has invested in decent equipment, specifically lenses' will find that using a required adaptor defeats some of the camera smaller size 'benefits'.

Eventually, it would seem people might like to upgrade. I did and I will again. When I upgraded from a EF mount camera I do have an adapter to my EF lenses. It's really no big deal. And guess what: I will upgrade again. As mentioned, I want to go 'R-Mount'. I know people get set in their ways at some point in life. But at some point either the camera or the lenses might get beyond repair or need servicing, to the point where something newer might be in order.

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