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Mar 19, 2024 16:55:42   #
blthomas438 Loc: Lewisberry Pennsylvania
 
Total nonsense, It's not the Camera that makes the photographer, but his knowledge, experience and creativity. And the full understanding of the equipment he use's. If your a truly experienced photographer it should not matter what brand or type of camera you use. I use Nikon D850 DSLR'S because it's the tool I am comfortable with. I don't need the latest expensive toys to do my photography business.

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Mar 19, 2024 17:00:38   #
blthomas438 Loc: Lewisberry Pennsylvania
 
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Mar 19, 2024 17:16:52   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
blthomas438 wrote:
Total nonsense, It's not the Camera that makes the photographer, but his knowledge, experience and creativity. And the full understanding of the equipment he use's. If your a truly experienced photographer it should not matter what brand or type of camera you use. I use Nikon D850 DSLR'S because it's the tool I am comfortable with. I don't need the latest expensive toys to do my photography business.


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Mar 19, 2024 17:39:42   #
TonyP Loc: New Zealand
 
robertkjr3d wrote:
A DSLR is simply older technology. Not sure we need to argue about it. One of the best of which and I think (not sure if it's actually still in production the Canon 1DX...?) But for good reason the production companies have stopped making DSLRs because they can do so much more without 'Mirrors'. Also my current 'Mirrorless' camera had an add-on 'Viewfinder', but I found myself quickly adapting to not ever using it. I was used to using the 'Viewfinder' from my DSLR days, but with the higher tech of the rear-display and even when manual focusing at 5x or 10x... I just find no need to use it.
Of course I'm sure it's already been mentioned that 'Mirrorless' numbers are just better in every way and can get better. The proposed Canon R5 Mark II coming out soon, I just drool over.

This isn't like moving from Records to CDs, and now LPs are experiencing a resurgence. Or a better example of those who love using their 'Film' cameras? What I'm saying is I don't think DSLR compares to that experience. Isn't the experience closer to the guy who simply upgrades his tablet or PC computer?

Holding onto the idea that your old-DSLR tech is good enough, and it may be for you. But take it for what it is. Old-tech. Some of us are very happy that the world has moved on.

I have a lot of pictures from my old DSLR camera. A Rebel SL1. But they don't compare to the resolution or quality I get from my Mirrorless. And I hope to upgrade again. I want that R5. Probably won't end up with Mark II though.
A DSLR is simply older technology. Not sure we ne... (show quote)


Ive said it before, but for some of us its the result and the satisfaction of achieving that result, that counts.
Apparently many get the same satisfaction from high tech computers, masquerading as cameras, getting astonishingly good pictures and then thinking their skills are due of the credit.
Whatever spins your wheel.
Each to his own.

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Mar 19, 2024 17:40:04   #
robertkjr3d Loc: Ann Arbor, MI
 
blthomas438 wrote:
I totally agree with you. Don't need new technology to become a better photographer. Will never switch to a Mirror less camera. I can get fantastic shots with all my DSLR'S, And no EVF can match a live view through the lens. It's called talent and experience, I have honed my skills over the past 30+ years. And knowing the equipment you use inside and out. New Mirror less cameras just make it easier for less experienced photographers. I don't like the light cheesey feel of mirror less body's. I love the solid feel And Tank like quality and battery life of my D850s.
I totally agree with you. Don't need new technolog... (show quote)


I actually had no idea, not being a "Nikon" guy, how awesome the D850 actually is. I'll take my hat off to that camera. This is the comparison to the camera I have my eye on: That I spoke about in my last post, and according to the whole post, it only rates the R5 a few points ahead. https://cameradecision.com/compare/Canon-EOS-R5-vs-Nikon-D850 It is certainly true that your D850 is better than my current Mirrorless camera.

However.. The future still has it's demise for DSLRs. You have said, that it makes it easier for newer photographers to be better. Is that a terrible tragedy? Doesn't that also equal, that older experienced photographers, could also get better? To make another analogy: 'Cars'. Cars used to be 'Stick-Shift' and admittedly harder to drive. There are some 'purists' out there that go out of their way to find a 'stick-shift' car. But now, not only are they harder to find, but it's been proven they don't actually save gas mileage... they actually are only for the feel of the driver. They can't beat the modern transmission 'tech'. Actually usually when I've sat in people who have insisted on 'stick-shift' cars... those are the guys that jam my head into the seat anyway, so 'the gas mileage' was just an excuse.. I know they weren't saving anything... lol. The drive was super jerky. Point being, that having a 'Mirror' in your camera doesn't seem like a hill to die on. And some 'larger mirrorless full-frame' cameras are pretty heavy. If your comparing to an Canon M6, yes that camera weighs nothing, and it has its advantages too.

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Mar 19, 2024 17:43:06   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
I just want to throw out one thing that has also been brought up before. Mirrorless cameras are quiet, suitable for auditoriums, press conferences, golf tournaments, wildlife photos etc. The quiet mode in DSLRs involves some compromise. You can't do it through a viewfinder if the mirror is up. Most DSLR's use contrast detection autofocus (slow) when the mirror is up, and their electronic shutters are particularly prone to rolling shutter. There ARE advantages to mirrorless cameras. People who think otherwise are delusional. There are good reasons to upgrade and good reasons not to upgrade. It depends on what you do with your cameras. It's as simple as that. This doesn't have to go on for 12 pages.

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Mar 19, 2024 17:56:20   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
MJPerini wrote:
This is really getting old.
People should use whatever they choose to use and unless we are asked for our opinion, it is pretty much none of our business. Why should we even care why someone chooses to use a particular camera? Let alone the disparagement of someone else's choices.
If the camera you use, produces the results you want, it is adequate for the task. Period.

By the same token, if you choose to use a previous generation of camera technology, don't 'justify it' by suggesting that mirrorless technology is not better technology in many demonstrable ways, that point is beyond argument.
But use what you want and no 'justification ' is ever necessary.

The truth is, very few of us are "Camera Limited", if we are honest, most of us are skills or effort limited.... we have plenty of room to improve before the camera becomes a limiting factor. If a new feature becomes available ,...say.. Subject tracking, Eye tracking etc and it would be a game changer for the work we do, THEN we are closer to being camera limited. But it is still a personal choice.
Personally, I am still using cameras with mirrors. 2 Canon 5D IV's and a 1Ds III. Not because I think these are better than the latest available, but because I know how much better they are than ME. I do not use subject tracking etc, because the work I tend to do is SLOW. The latest generation of lenses I have are incredibly good. I can make any picture I want to make. Frankly , I am surprised by this, I thought I would have moved long ago, but I just have not felt the need or desire.
Another factor is age, my cameras seem to be gaining weight each year and a couple of R5's would not be significantly lighter with lenses attached.
But something else has changed, some of the best, most expressive photographs I have ever made have been made with my phone,---not by specific choice, but because it was ALWAYS there. That has changed me.
So it is increasingly likely that my next camera may be something like a Leica Q3.
I've spent a good part of my life in Photography as a pretty good Professional with Clients like IBM, Cutty Sark , lifestyle & drug Companies , Architectural work etc, But also as a pretty good Amateur with gallery representation.
Good Pictures are camera dependent only in so far as you need one.
Pictures can be objectively good, subjectively good, or neither, and all three can be important to us for various reasons. The reasons are always Ours.
So this recurring theme of Judging people by the camera they choose to use is shallow and a waste of time.
The world could really use a little less judging, especially among people who share an interest.
At its best , this place can be genuinely helpful and entertaining.
This is as close to a rant as I get. I do not mean it that way.
I really think we can do better, and it would be more fun.
...all the best
This is really getting old. br People should use w... (show quote)



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Mar 19, 2024 18:14:06   #
Miker999
 
In 2018, I switched from a Canon 5Dmklll to a Fujifilm X-T3. No regrets. By making the switch, I can now do basic editing before I take the shot. This means more time behind the camera and lot less time in front of a monitor
Yes, I went from FF to APS-C!) New sensors are incredible.
(I did extensive, hands on research of many cameras before making my choice.)

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Mar 19, 2024 18:24:11   #
Equus Loc: Puget Sound
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Imagine your life as a successful photographer. Does your camera still have a mirror?


No, of course it doesn't have a mirror. My camera will be integrated with my eye, the retina being genetically altered to have a terapixel resolution and my lens will have an equivalent 5 to 6000mm zoom controlled by my occipital lobe embedded fine focus feature and the 100 petabyte neural storage that will connect with my display unit directly at a petabyte/sec rate.

So no there will be no mirror. Until then I will keep what I have. Well maybe I will go for a -- na, I am just going to stick with what I have, gas be damned.

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Mar 19, 2024 18:33:57   #
Amadeus Loc: New York
 
therwol wrote:
I just want to throw out one thing that has also been brought up before. Mirrorless cameras are quiet, suitable for auditoriums, press conferences, golf tournaments, wildlife photos etc. The quiet mode in DSLRs involves some compromise. You can't do it through a viewfinder if the mirror is up. Most DSLR's use contrast detection autofocus (slow) when the mirror is up, and their electronic shutters are particularly prone to rolling shutter. There ARE advantages to mirrorless cameras. People who think otherwise are delusional. There are good reasons to upgrade and good reasons not to upgrade. It depends on what you do with your cameras. It's as simple as that. This doesn't have to go on for 12 pages.
I just want to throw out one thing that has also b... (show quote)


12 pages? Methinks that is an understatement.

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Mar 19, 2024 18:44:52   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Learned quite a few things that are positive, but nothing so far that will change my opinion in the negative.

My main beef or issues are still:
- If you have issues with your vision, the digital display simply does not work, even using the electronic view finder.
- Weight unbalance, a major factor even if the camera is shooting as a higher rate.

As stated, I believe the sensor used are great, never disputed that; I even started with this part. Yet, the sensor and after sensor process leave many things to be desired compared to cell phones. This of course can be dealt with in post-processing.

Lastly, and a minor issue, at least for a few, is the cost of changing over. Anyone who has invested in decent equipment, specifically lenses' will find that using a required adaptor defeats some of the camera smaller size 'benefits'.

We need a permanent flyswatter in this type of threads, about a third of the posts are unnecessary, relatively offensive and plain nonsense. Personal attacks or comments are never justified.

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Mar 19, 2024 18:48:40   #
jcboy3
 
TonyP wrote:
How did you cope I wonder, while waiting for someone to invent your mirrorless camera.


I coped, as I coped by shooting film while waiting for someone to invent my digital camera.

Luckily, I didn't have to cope by painting while waiting for someone to invent my film camera. Because my painting skills are not good. Although I am good in monochrome (also called house painting).

But I know a better deal when I see it.

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Mar 19, 2024 20:19:42   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Learned quite a few things that are positive, but nothing so far that will change my opinion in the negative.

My main beef or issues are still:
- If you have issues with your vision, the digital display simply does not work, even using the electronic view finder.
- Weight unbalance, a major factor even if the camera is shooting as a higher rate.

As stated, I believe the sensor used are great, never disputed that; I even started with this part. Yet, the sensor and after sensor process leave many things to be desired compared to cell phones. This of course can be dealt with in post-processing.

Lastly, and a minor issue, at least for a few, is the cost of changing over. Anyone who has invested in decent equipment, specifically lenses' will find that using a required adaptor defeats some of the camera smaller size 'benefits'.

We need a permanent flyswatter in this type of threads, about a third of the posts are unnecessary, relatively offensive and plain nonsense. Personal attacks or comments are never justified.
Learned quite a few things that are positive, but ... (show quote)


Personal observation it seems most mirrorless lenses are as large or larger than the equivalent DSLR lens.
I haven't seen any issues using an adapter either. I only bought a camera and adapter with everything else not needing to be replaced at all. But whatever one is sold on great.

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Mar 19, 2024 20:40:11   #
Canisdirus
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Personal observation it seems most mirrorless lenses are as large or larger than the equivalent DSLR lens.
I haven't seen any issues using an adapter either. I only bought a camera and adapter with everything else not needing to be replaced at all. But whatever one is sold on great.


Only Canon and especially Nikon...they both never got the memo.

Sony is easily the smallest full frame system...by a wide margin.

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Mar 19, 2024 20:50:49   #
Dean37 Loc: Fresno, CA
 
My two mirrorless cameras, the Nikon P7000 & also the P7800 are good walk around cameras as are my cellular phones, likely the only ventures into mirrorless that I will go.

Sure they have advances and are the latest and greatest, but my SLR's & dSLR's do everything and more than I need.

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