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Mar 19, 2024 09:22:38   #
nison777 Loc: illinois u.s.a.
 
The camera is just a tool...
The photographer and and hers or his decisiveness ,and skill, within the inevitable moment, make the image...
Enhanced by processing, resulting in a grand and final outcome/ interpretation of the moment the photographer experienced to share with us the viewer...
Been going on for over one hundred years...

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Mar 19, 2024 09:32:52   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
It’s fine if you want to work with what you have until it no longer fills your needs. Nobody’s telling you that you need to go mirrorless, just realize the real difference.

It is unlikely that Nikon is going to come up with another DSLR after the D850.

Dreaming that any of the features they created for the Nikon Z family could possibly benefit a newer DSLR will just remain dreams.

The same is true of all other DSLR manufacturers. Why would they waste their time?

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Mar 19, 2024 09:40:21   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
nison777 wrote:
The camera is just a tool...

The good old tools don't matter sophism.

So imagine you're out hiking with some friends and you have a fall. Your leg is stuck and impaled on a thorny branch. Some field surgery will be necessary to free your leg and evacuate you. One of your friends calls for help while another begins to sharpen a stick if needed. Fortunately the EMTs arrive in time and as the EMT opens her kit and reaches for a scalpel you say, "hey, use my buddy's sharpened stick. He went through a lot of trouble to get it ready."

After all it's not the tool that matters, right?

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Mar 19, 2024 09:49:16   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I noticed that too. I had no idea that mirrorless aren’t “regular” cameras.




If mirrorless bodies are not "regular" cameras I would also guess that capturing images on the LCD screens of DSLRs makes them not "regular" cameras either since doing that bypasses the mirror. More importantly, are DSLRs "regular" cameras at all since they don't use film? It seems like the definition of a "regular" camera is just the camera type preferred by the person using the term. I believe this mirrorless controversy in the end mostly comes down to a personal preference for using an OVF or an EVF and most other criticisms of mirrorless just confuse that issue. One day in the not too distance future, as EVF technology continues to improve, we may reach a point where we will look back and laugh at the silliness of this whole discussion.

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Mar 19, 2024 09:58:16   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
Seven pages already - why are we still cussin’ and discussin’ this? Let’s all use our FSLRs, DSLRs, range/view finders, TLRs, P&Ss for the pure joy of it.

Stan

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Mar 19, 2024 10:04:32   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
My father could only afford an el cheapo fixed lens rangefinder (I think he bought it for $80 or so brand new in 63) and when he let me use it he kept talking about how he would love to have a camera with mirror.
And so when I grew up I bought cameras with mirror in them.


so you are still driving that car from 1963? That's NOT very good reasoning.

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Mar 19, 2024 10:10:09   #
bkwaters
 
Rongnongno wrote:
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else.

The idea of using a display instead of through the lens is reverting to old time when folks were looking from above to focus...

Issues with the display...
- LIGHT!!! If too bright, good luck using the display.
- Eyes issue If one needs glasses all bets are off, there is no way to adjust for that but use the tiny in camera display in the 'view finder'. Go check for accuracy on that since the display is made of tiny pixels vs 'a normal light' (analog)
- Weight unbalance. (Light body, heavy lens)

That is one of the few reasons why I will not upgrade to mirrorless, even if I do appreciate the new sensors.
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else. br b... (show quote)


I can't believe people replied! Amazing!

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Mar 19, 2024 10:10:37   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
foathog wrote:
so you are still driving that car from 1963? That's NOT very good reasoning.



Need latest and greatest!
Ditch the old stuff.
Gotta be current.
NOT!

Perception.....

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Mar 19, 2024 10:11:42   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
selmslie wrote:
The same is true of all other DSLR manufacturers. Why would they waste their time?


Pentax is wasting their time. Their flagship camera is still a DSLR, and although impressive for a DSLR, it is likely that they will eventually hit a brick wall with features and sales. I don't know what they're thinking. Same with their coming out with new film cameras. I'm sure they will be good cameras for what they will be able to do, but if I were going to shoot film, I think a lightly used Nikon F4, 5 or 6 would suit me better. There are many used film cameras on the market that can do a good job. Where is the market for new film cameras? Leica if you want to burn through some money.

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Mar 19, 2024 10:19:01   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Obviously you’ve never shot mirrorless. Where did you get the crazy notion that your AF is faster? Both my Z9 and OM-1 have faster and more accurate AF than a D780 and I don’t know why you think there’s a delay when I press the shutter. I don’t have to wait for the mirror to flip up. I love how people that have never used something are such experts on it.


What you read is a quote from a 2020 Ken Rockwell review of the D780, written before any of the current Nikon mirrorless cameras existed. A lot has changed in 4 years. I wouldn't bash the D780 by any means. It's a fine DSLR, perhaps Nikon's most advanced. It's just that it is stuck in time where mirrorless cameras keep advancing. The person posting the quote should have indicated that it was a quote from a review up front instead of at the end. The date would have been helpful as well. All of the sample photos in the review are dated 2020.

I once exchanged some email with Ken Rockwell and asked why there were so many dated reviews on his site. He was honest and said that he just doen't have time to update all of them.

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Mar 19, 2024 10:30:33   #
photostephen
 
To be a better photographer, use the camera you understand and feel comfortable using.
Some people like Vanilla Ice Cream some like Chocolate. Personal preference. (Of course there are those that prefer Strawberry, there is no one right answer.)
No need to justify your preference, or convince others you are correct, just use the camera you love.
Heck, I often just use my iPhone 14 Pro, and get excellent photos with it.

For me, I switched from a full DSLR with its mirror (a Nikon D850 and D750) to a mirrorless (Nikon Zfc).
For me it was about the weight. Now that I am retired and travelling more, caring a large camera with its large lens left my back aching at the end of the day. So the DX format Zfc with lighter lenses will save my back.

As for image quality. I have Topaz Photo AI, which can fix a lot of the noise and size issues -- exceedling well. Plus a few other helpful plug-ins such as Luminar Neo and the NIK collection. Regardless of cameras, I am happy with my photographic results.

My only decision I have left to make is: Do I keep the D850 and D750, for special occasions, or just use the Zfc which has excellent image quality. (If I do decide to sell off the D850 and D750, I need to figure out where the best place to sell them.)

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Mar 19, 2024 10:40:23   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Rongnongno wrote:
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else.

The idea of using a display instead of through the lens is reverting to old time when folks were looking from above to focus...

Issues with the display...
- LIGHT!!! If too bright, good luck using the display.
- Eyes issue If one needs glasses all bets are off, there is no way to adjust for that but use the tiny in camera display in the 'view finder'. Go check for accuracy on that since the display is made of tiny pixels vs 'a normal light' (analog)
- Weight unbalance. (Light body, heavy lens)

That is one of the few reasons why I will not upgrade to mirrorless, even if I do appreciate the new sensors.
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else. br b... (show quote)


And some still use an outhouse and corn cob. :)

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Mar 19, 2024 10:44:38   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If we gave two people each a digital camera and a lens, and after a week we learned one was given a mirrorless camera, who do you think will be better?

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Mar 19, 2024 10:47:52   #
streetmarty Loc: Brockton, Ma
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Obviously you’ve never shot mirrorless. Where did you get the crazy notion that your AF is faster? Both my Z9 and OM-1 have faster and more accurate AF than a D780 and I don’t know why you think there’s a delay when I press the shutter. I don’t have to wait for the mirror to flip up. I love how people that have never used something are such experts on it.


On my website I have links to both Nikon AND Fuji as I’ve owned 8 Fuji’s and a Sony. I like the results from the D780 better but that’s just my opinion after 59 years of photography. Good luck. 🙏

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Mar 19, 2024 10:48:24   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
Rongnongno wrote:
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else.

The idea of using a display instead of through the lens is reverting to old time when folks were looking from above to focus...

Issues with the display...
- LIGHT!!! If too bright, good luck using the display.
- Eyes issue If one needs glasses all bets are off, there is no way to adjust for that but use the tiny in camera display in the 'view finder'. Go check for accuracy on that since the display is made of tiny pixels vs 'a normal light' (analog)
- Weight unbalance. (Light body, heavy lens)

That is one of the few reasons why I will not upgrade to mirrorless, even if I do appreciate the new sensors.
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else. br b... (show quote)

Yeah! Who doesn't love pre-focus and back-focus that changes with each prime lens and zoom lens focal length. And who doesn't love chimping after each image to make sure everything is in focus and nothing is blown out in the highlights or underexposed.

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