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Mar 18, 2024 17:06:15   #
Rgandel Loc: South Orange, NJ
 
Thanks for the very detailed explanation.

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Mar 18, 2024 17:07:00   #
Rgandel Loc: South Orange, NJ
 
Both.

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Mar 18, 2024 17:10:29   #
Rgandel Loc: South Orange, NJ
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Do you want white birds, or grey birds? Do you want a grainy underexposed sky to go with those grey birds?

You should capture in RAW with the exposure settings that stop just 1/3-stop below causing exposure highlights on the birds. Of course, that's going to take some experimentation in the actual light and subjects to confirm, work you should be planning to execute in all situations.

Leverage the modern marvel that is the EOS R7 that enables manual exposure with Exposure Compensation and AUTO ISO. Just pick your shutterspeed and aperture in M, then adjust the EC dial as you experiment with the birds and the exact light. Let the EC level and reviews of the highlight warnings determine exactly the + / - offset position of the meter.
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Thanks, will try.

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Mar 18, 2024 17:11:22   #
Rgandel Loc: South Orange, NJ
 
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Sorry, will do.

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Mar 18, 2024 17:12:27   #
Rgandel Loc: South Orange, NJ
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You can meter anyway you want, but Canon's evaluative metering is the easiest and the most receptive to the ideas above regarding EC and the relative + / - position of the meter vs the 0-mark.

To the idea of ETTR - Exposing to the Right and capturing in RAW, as long as you don't 'blow' the highlights, you can use a combination of your Highlights slider and your Whites slider in post to bring out the RAW details (lower highlights) and maintain the original whites of the bird (increased whites). This post includes a working example:

ETTR in Practice II
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Thanks for the very detailed answer.

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Mar 18, 2024 17:13:25   #
Rgandel Loc: South Orange, NJ
 
ricardo00 wrote:
Are you photographing birds sitting for you or are you trying to photograph birds in flight or doing something?


Both, in flight and doing something.

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Mar 18, 2024 17:17:02   #
Rgandel Loc: South Orange, NJ
 
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Thanks

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Mar 18, 2024 18:36:43   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
ricardo00 wrote:
I underexpose, almost 2 stops if the sunlight is strong and the birds are on the ground. If in the sky, then 1 stop is usually sufficient. Do you have a mirrorless? What brand? Maybe you can turn "blinkies" on and see when you are overexposing?



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Mar 18, 2024 18:52:33   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Longshadow wrote:
Spot meter on them if you can.


And ... ???


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Mar 19, 2024 07:00:58   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Rgandel wrote:
What is the best way to photograph white birds without blowing out the highlights?


I have used the following for years.
I take a manual reading off grass or a green tree that is lighting the subject the same way. (this will give you a gray card reading without the gray card) I then underexpose 2 to 3 stops, it is easier to bring back details by underexposing than by overexposing in post. But most of the time 2 to 3 stops works great.
This has been my method and it works for me. Others my have different methods.









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Mar 19, 2024 07:08:16   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
billnikon wrote:
I have used the following for years.
I take a manual reading off grass or a green tree that is lighting the subject the same way. (this will give you a gray card reading without the gray card) I then underexpose 2 to 3 stops, it is easier to bring back details by underexposing than by overexposing in post. But most of the time 2 to 3 stops works great.
This has been my method and it works for me. Others my have different methods.


Looks to me like your method works just fine!

Nice looking birds.

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Mar 19, 2024 07:43:14   #
Juy Loc: Delaware
 
billnikon wrote:
I have used the following for years.
I take a manual reading off grass or a green tree that is lighting the subject the same way. (this will give you a gray card reading without the gray card) I then underexpose 2 to 3 stops, it is easier to bring back details by underexposing than by overexposing in post. But most of the time 2 to 3 stops works great.
This has been my method and it works for me. Others my have different methods.


Looks like you have that dialed in very well. Gives you good whites and shadow detail, nicely done.

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Mar 19, 2024 08:59:45   #
Maxpixel
 
I agree with what’s been already stated, but add that it’s not just about preventing highlights blowing out. Losing detail in those highlights is also important. You will lose the detail before you blow out the highlights and you want to avoid exposing all the way to the right for that reason. There is no ideal histogram for this as it depends on the brightness and contrast. So, expose to the right, but preserve detail in the highlights.

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Mar 19, 2024 10:02:22   #
photophile Loc: Lakewood, Ohio, USA
 
billnikon wrote:
I have used the following for years.
I take a manual reading off grass or a green tree that is lighting the subject the same way. (this will give you a gray card reading without the gray card) I then underexpose 2 to 3 stops, it is easier to bring back details by underexposing than by overexposing in post. But most of the time 2 to 3 stops works great.
This has been my method and it works for me. Others my have different methods.


Lovely egret series.

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Mar 19, 2024 10:04:24   #
Rgandel Loc: South Orange, NJ
 
billnikon wrote:
I have used the following for years.
I take a manual reading off grass or a green tree that is lighting the subject the same way. (this will give you a gray card reading without the gray card) I then underexpose 2 to 3 stops, it is easier to bring back details by underexposing than by overexposing in post. But most of the time 2 to 3 stops works great.
This has been my method and it works for me. Others my have different methods.


Great images. Thanks for the suggestion.

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