letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

You have already convicted Trump before any trial just as the far left has asked you.

Triple G

He's been convicted. End of that argument.

He is charged with cheating again....who would have guessed? Believe who people are by how they portray themselves.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/architect-trumps-social-media-deal-sues-block-transaction-2024-02-29/

Triple G

He counterfiled with that claim and it was determined to not have merit. Look it up.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-dismisses-donald-trumps-defamation-claim-against-e-jean-carroll-2023-08-07/

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

My, how clever. The far right must have influenced your reply.

Supporting a traitor is hard work...

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

I am in no way defending Trump as I could care less about this case but reading the jury instruction you provided states that only touching is required for sexual abuse (penetration of any kind not required). Then he goes on to instruct (I assume based on Carroll’s testimony) that the only “allegations” that she made that would fall under the statute were forcible kissing, pulling down her tights and vaginal penetration. He is merely telling the jury that of what she testified this is the conduct that would fall within the statute. But the judge, if I can assume he said what you reported seemingly made a fallacious assumption as by his own instruction only touching sexual or intimate parts is necessary for a finding of sexual abuse so the jury could have found that merely touching was enough for their finding yet the judge stated that their finding “necessarily implies” penetration.

From your post: “ Kaplan noted his instruction to the jury that, for Trump to have sexually abused Carroll, Trump needed to have touched her sexual or intimate parts. The only allegations from Carroll that could possibly fit that bill were forcible kissing, pulling down her tights, and vaginal penetration, he said."

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Aren't guessing games fun!

SteveS Loc: The US is my home.

Either you failed reading comprehension or just can't read. This all started about if Trump was convicted of rape, the answer to that is "NO". I will provide the court document one more time, please have someone read it to you.

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

Maybe this will help with the distinction:

Aggravated Sexual Abuse vs Rape
As a digital penetration attorney in New York will explain, under the New York Penal Code, while aggravated sexual abuse and rape area both felony sex crimes that involve penetration, the two crimes have notable differences. Each of the 4 rape crimes requires sexual intercourse. The New York Penal Code gives “sexual intercourse” its “ordinary meaning” which is penetration, however slight, of a vagina by a penis. Digital penetration and penetration by an object are not included in the definition. Thus, where penetration is digital, the charge would not be rape, but aggravated sexual abuse.

SteveS Loc: The US is my home.

I totally understand. But there seems to be others that continue to push the narrative that Trump was convicted of rape, to which the answer is still NO.

Triple G

Everyone has an opinion, but the search of any legal questions of criminal rape will come up as negative, but will have inquiring minds continuing the search on the civil side will find "liable for sexual assault (adj. to aggravated assault) . All notes and primary source research will include the "rape" terminology. If it feels better to you to vote for an aggravated sexual assaulter vs a rapist, that's up to your conscience.

Triple G

Words matter, I agree.
What is the ranking of desirability of a presidential candidate?

Guilty of rape
Liable for aggravated sexual assault

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

Not an opinion just the actual codified legal distinction. Words do matter and to assume that because I looked at the words that you posted and read “what they actually said” you know how I would vote is another assumption on your part.

jcboy3

An old smelly sneaker would be better than Trump.

Triple G

Yup. I'm pretty sure you've made yourself clear.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

When was he convicted of being a Traitor, a bigger traitor is the 0ne that opened our most secure border in 45 years and then invited the world to cross it. This country is headed in the direction of Korea, the only difference being that we don't kill our opponents we just use the Justice Department to politically and judicially kill their candidacy.