Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin

It's pretty clear that as he once stated he could shoot some one on fifth avenue and get away which is probably true in the eyes of several contributors. Excuse after weak pointless excuse being raised. He broke the law and because of he thought in his pompous arrogance he was above the law. But as shakespeare said "The truth will out

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Bullshit. Look at the wording. You are completely wrong. Apologize when you get this or have your head vacated from a dark place.

Dennis

Triple G

You are being absurd. Of course you shouldn't both deflate and inflate asset values---but he did by using different values like separate sets of books depending on what benefited him most...none of the practices matched standard accounting principles. He used one set of numbers for insurance; one set of numbers for property taxes, one set for financial reports, and another for income taxes. That's the crime! I think you finally GET it.

His attorneys failed to request a jury trial -- he hired them. Inadequate counsel may be his only defense. The attorneys were so bad that they didn't even know how to properly present evidence. The courtroom is all about procedures -- if not followed, attorneys can be charged with prosecutorial misconduct or contempt. Not following procedures is an opening for appeals so the judge was very precise on them.

You may "feel" as Trump was treated differently, but it just can't be supported by evidence.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/18/politics/engoron-trump-denial/index.html

Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin

Your demeaning yourself with that remark Dennis and losing the argument

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-letitia-james-fraud-lawsuit-1569245a9284427117b8d3ba5da74249

You can apologize at any time

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Yes people want the Value of their property as high as possible at times but lying about the size by a factor of 3 is fraud

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-claimed-his-nyc-penthouse-was-3-times-larger-than-it-was-evidence-shows-dd150948

Triple G

The values used for each reason can be different, but must be accurate in following SAP rules and be consistently followed across all financial statements across all successive years. The trumps different $ amounts were derived for each transaction as an opportunity for a "new' valuation depending upon the needs of the moment.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

No I am not demeaning myself at all. You on the Left continue telling Conservatives we should just go along with your bullshit cockamamie ideas that are pushing America toward Socialism. How else do you expect Conservatives to fight that nonsense? Should we just knuckle under and see what happens? Not for me. That will never happen. The writing is on the wall and is quite clear. Socialism is something the Left wants but is not a good thing in any country where it has ever been practiced. Having a stupid inept government and they all are, in charge is just idiotic of course. It leads to corruption and we already have more than enough of that from both sides of the aisle.

What the Left is doing by harassing Trump is forcing more and more voters to vote for him. The Left IS corrupt no matter how you want to white wash what it is doing and no matter how evil you try to show Trump. All proceedings against him are prima facie corrupt.

Here is the simple answer as with most things go in America. You don't like Trump then don't vote for him. But do not try to take away my vote for him and what he represents. His actions as a businessman do not equate to his actions as our President.

Dennis

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

You are demeaning yourself every time you post your chin-dribble.

johnnievegas

The banks testified before the judge. They said the loans were paid in full at the agreed to terms.

If you were selling a home and a buyer offered more than you were asking would it be fraud if you accepted the money? Would you be party to a fraud if the buyer got a bank loan for the amount you agreed to accept?

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Ol' po-faced Dennis sez - "Here is the simple answer as with most things go in America. You don't like Trump then don't vote for him. But do not try to take away my vote for him and what he represents. His actions as a businessman do not equate to his actions as our President."



Dennis, it's all taint, all the way down with the Trumps.They regularly 'cooked the books as a business plan'. That's illegal. And now they have to pay.

Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin

I despise Trump but I also can't stand Biden because who wants an Alzheimer sufferer to be a president. Both are incapable and it's time for the US to recognise it and get some capable candidates because Putin isn't going to stop now the US has chickened out of the Ukraine.

Triple G

That's not even relevant to the criminal decision. He wasn't charged with not paying loans or premiums, he was charged with providing inaccurate, improper and self-serving valuation amounts that defrauded the insurance companies, banks, and other loan applicants of their proper due. The trumps' derived ill-gotten gains by manipulating asset values. That's fraud.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

So you don't think that the democrats are using the legal system to stop Trump? Do you think that the DA's office could not make 100's of similar cases in New York? Did the financials submitted to the banks not state that they should do their own due diligence on the evaluations? Do you get to set the value of properties for the tax assessors? I know that the county placed the value of my home at about 150% of what I paid for it first year, they certainly did not ask for my input nor pay any attention to their own property sales records...

Sorry Trip it is clear to me and just about 1/2 of the country what the dems are doing at the cost of people's faith in the system as it has finally shown itself to be totally corrupt. Remember when Hillary scrubbed hard drives and smashed devices that were under subpoena? Now that was not obstruction but what Trump did was? I can't imagine the legal fees that Trump is forced to pay because he has a target on his back as an enemy of the state. The Biden administration and a few DA's are behaving hardly any different than Putin behaves in Russia.

pmorin Loc: Huntington Beach, Palm Springs

Of course American banks have appraisal officers, but most of his loans were from a bank from out of the country.
Deutsche Bank AG (German pronunciation: [ˈdɔʏtʃə ˈbaŋk ʔaːˈɡeː] They were reliant on his reputation and his paperwork.
One has to wonder why the loans were not scrutinized by the audit/appraisal department officers, but when you read into this article the answer is there if you allow all the facts to come together.
https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-deutsche-bank-donald-trump
Turns out the banking officials were a bit corrupt themselves.