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One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID

Triple G wrote:

He has to put up that amount to get the appeal just like in the Carroll case. He'll have a lot of money tied up not available as use for collateral or making him money on investments.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

National Park wrote:

I think you are getting your cases mixed up when y... (show quote)

I did not say law but rather law fare, the use of the court system and prosecutions to go after political opposition and specific opponents.

Triple G

Blurryeyed wrote:

Are you suggesting that no-one was damaged by the financial collapse of 2008?

It's you who is doing the suggesting; not me! Certainly not about anything other than the current topic of trumps' crimes.

Triple G

Blurryeyed wrote:

I did not say law but rather law fare, the use of the court system and prosecutions to go after political opposition and specific opponents.

Look at how this case evolved. Remember that Michael Cohen made a mention of varying trumps' asset valuations depending on the reason while he was talking in an interview about the election interference /porn star hush money investigation. SDNY took that nugget (or loose thread) and opened an investigation (as they are supposed to do) and they just kept getting more and more of the picture as they interviewed witnesses and examined documents. Even though key witnesses were hostile to the case, the state was still able to make its case before all the necessary authorities and citizens to get subpoenas, additional funds for staff for continuing forensic accounting studies, for indictments, and eventually judgments and fines. That is working on behalf of the citizens of New York just as those same officials should be in each and every state.

btbg

Triple G wrote:

Certainly thinking clearer than you. Facts are fa... (show quote)

You cant have it both ways. There is no way to both deflate and inflate the value of property. If he underpaid his taxes then he didnt inflate the value for loans and vice versus. Have you even stopped to think about the absurdity of claiming that at the same time he both inflated and deflated the value of his property.

Also does it not bother you that he was not given the choice of a jury trial and that testimony the defense attempted to give was regularly denied.

He probably is guilty of something but their is no way he was given a fair trial and there is no way he has been treated the same way as everyone else. I repeat he is the only person ever charged under this law who had no vict.

RichieC Loc: Adirondacks

National Park wrote:

Under New York law fraud is fraud. It doesn't mat... (show quote)

Getting a reduced speed on a speeding ticket or converted to a failure to comply or tail light out etc. happens all the time. Leniency in front of a judge depends on how many other tickets you have earned and if you are a demonstrated risk to other drivers.

Banks are in the business of loaning money, don't try and sell that banks don't do due diligence in making sure a loan is good- they have exactly the staff and all the the time they need to run their business. The bigger their exposure, the exact amount of diligence do they employ. I have never heard one that depends on a DA to look over their shoulder in order to make a profit... maybe you can show us another example.

Banks determine if they need or can afford to lend you money, and if so, at what rate. I paid a lot less with the bank for my house than the one I originally went to, same everything- why the difference?? Did I defraud the one I went to? Do I care? We signed papers, and I have lived up to my word, they lived up to theirs. Called business. Tell us, did you go with the highest rate?

On other business I have had, they have never been too busy to quote me a rate on which they determined they would do business with me... and if I don't like their rate, I shop around till I find a better one. I did this same thing for car loans, real estate and credit cards, as well as bank fees on business accounts. And guess what- not a single DA did they need in sight!

If one of Trumps banks found out that things weren't kosher, that they felt the loan was at risk, they would have brought the suit ... but much to everyones surprise except the hypocritical dimocrats, there were no complaints, only a corrupt DA who ignores criminals and crime running rampant on the streets of NY, concentrating on exactly one political foe.

Now ignore the raft of specious lawsuits brought against him since he walked down the stairs... in all the years Trump has done business, how in the world did all these line up to be timed for the critical period of a run for the presidency, how absolutely fortuitous to the crime family called Biden. And now senility is even protecting him on the legal front, the report said he willfully and intentionally mishandled documents but he is too senile to stand trial, but he is sharp and crisp and attentive mentally to run the country- which is it???? ROFL you can't make this stuff up.

Here is the thing, he will never pay the 350 million, and that is something that doesn't matter, the lawsuit's timing was the goal, not the penalty. The DA's job is done... now she can go back to chasing business's out of NYC...

I think its humorous the mental hoops the dems will go to to avoid running on the issues against anybody - then pretend their dirty tricks are not anti American and call anybody calling them out on it... anti-democratic... the technique is called projection.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

rcarol wrote:

The judge has ruled that Trump is guilty of committing fraud in New York and has ordered him to pay $350 Million in fines. There is no surprise there. The judge had stated from day one that Trump was guilty. My question is, "Who gets the money?" The state of New York? How convenient! I'm sure other New York developers are taking a close look at this ruling.

What type of judge says from day one any defendant was guilty. Aren't judges supposed to pay attention to the case and hear all evidence BEFORE making a judgement? Aren't ALL defendants given the right to be presumed innocent until the end verdict is guilty? But of course this is the lying corrupt Left Wing type of justice we see in America under the Democratic Socialist Party now in power.

Take a good look at the case presented by lying corrupt Fani Willis. She was elected on the premise of her promise to GET President Trump. And of course the NYS voters who are mostly Left Wingers ate it up. Trump beat out Hillary Clinton who is on record of cheating during the primaries, who fraudulently gave information to the FBI through her attorney leading to a failed three year 25 million dollar investigation into Trump and Russia Collusion. In the end Trump was found completely not guilty nor was anyone guilty of Russia Collusion.

Why is it a FACT the Left cannot allow Trump the very same Constitutional freedoms as is afforded every other person in America? Is the Left Wing cult hatred so strong against him they cannot see corruption in plain sight on their own side of the aisle; they cannot see corruption from both Clintons, Obamas, Biden crime family, Schumer and Pelosi?

Dennis

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

btbg wrote:

He should never have to pay. If you look at the ca... (show quote)

Dennis

btbg

Bob Smith wrote:

Why are we sticking up for him, wether there were victims or not isn't the point. He broke the law, he has been found guilty he has been sentenced and has appealed. The fact he's Donald Trump and a presidential candidate is neither here nor there.

Oh but the fact that he is a presidential candidate is the entire crux of the matter because the chief prosecutor ran for office soley on the promise to get Trump precisely because he was a presidential candidate. That makes it a political prosecution.

By contrast Hurs report shows that Biden broke the law but they chose to not charge him. Same thing woth Hilary and a host of other politicians.

Work for Trump and defy a congressional suvpoena you go to jail.

Work for Obama or Biden and defy a subpoena and nothing happens to you.. if you cant see the difference then you are blind. We have bece a third world country when one president is impeached because he inquires about a company who was paying a politicians son for no apparent work and then that same president is charged with a multitude of charges precisely for the same reasons that je requested the investigation for. If justice is not handled tje same for both sides then we have no justice and it is clearly not being handled the same.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

RichieC wrote:

Getting a reduced speed on a speeding ticket or converted to a failure to comply or tail light out etc. happens all the time. Leniency in front of a judge depends on how many other tickets you have earned and if you are a demonstrated risk to other drivers.

Banks are in the business of loaning money, don't try and sell that banks don't do due diligence in making sure a loan is good- they have exactly the staff and all the the time they need to run their business. The bigger their exposure, the exact amount of diligence do they employ. I have never heard one that depends on a DA to look over their shoulder in order to make a profit... maybe you can show us another example.

Banks determine if they need or can afford to lend you money, and if so, at what rate. I paid a lot less with the bank for my house than the one I originally went to, same everything- why the difference?? Did I defraud the one I went to? Do I care? We signed papers, and I have lived up to my word, they lived up to theirs. Called business. Tell us, did you go with the highest rate?

On other business I have had, they have never been too busy to quote me a rate on which they determined they would do business with me... and if I don't like their rate, I shop around till I find a better one. I did this same thing for car loans, real estate and credit cards, as well as bank fees on business accounts. And guess what- not a single DA did they need in sight!

If one of Trumps banks found out that things weren't kosher, that they felt the loan was at risk, they would have brought the suit ... but much to everyones surprise except the hypocritical dimocrats, there were no complaints, only a corrupt DA who ignores criminals and crime running rampant on the streets of NY, concentrating on exactly one political foe.

Now ignore the raft of specious lawsuits brought against him since he walked down the stairs... in all the years Trump has done business, how in the world did all these line up to be timed for the critical period of a run for the presidency, how absolutely fortuitous to the crime family called Biden. And now senility is even protecting him on the legal front, the presort said he willfully and intentionally mishandled documents, but he is sharp and crisp and attentive mentally to run the country- which is it???? ROFL you can't make this stuff up.

Here is the thing, he will never pay the 350 million, and that is something that doesn't matter, the lawsuit's timing was the goal, not the penalty. The DA's job is done... now she can go back to chasing business's out of NYC...

I think its humorous the mental hoops the dems will go to to avoid running on the issues against anybody - then pretend their dirty tricks are not anti American and call anybody calling them out on it... anti-democratic... the technique is called projection.

Getting a reduced speed on a speeding ticket or co... (show quote)

Not only well said but 100% true as well. There was no victim in this case. Real estate develops claim top dollar for their properties on the market knowing someone will come by with a lower offer. EVERY real estate seller does the exact same thing. Why aren't any of those other real estate developers up for trial not only in NYS but all across America. What Trump did/does is done every single day by every seller of real estate. But ONLY President Trump was called to answer for a non crime by a corrupt District Attorney and an even more corrupt Left Wing judge.

It is no wonder voters are clamoring to vote for Trump once again. If the lying corrupt Left Wingers can do this to a former President of the United States because they are afraid he will win AGAIN then those corrupt people can screw every one of us to suit their corrupt Socialist agenda. THAT is what this is all about, the Left pushing Socialism on Americans and Trump is standing in the way. They cannot allow him to win again or their corrupt agenda will be pushed farther back. Everything the Left is doing since Obama was elected has been to push for a Socialist agenda.

Dennis

FrumCA

RichieC wrote:

Getting a reduced speed on a speeding ticket or converted to a failure to comply or tail light out etc. happens all the time. Leniency in front of a judge depends on how many other tickets you have earned and if you are a demonstrated risk to other drivers.

Banks are in the business of loaning money, don't try and sell that banks don't do due diligence in making sure a loan is good- they have exactly the staff and all the the time they need to run their business. The bigger their exposure, the exact amount of diligence do they employ. I have never heard one that depends on a DA to look over their shoulder in order to make a profit... maybe you can show us another example.

Banks determine if they need or can afford to lend you money, and if so, at what rate. I paid a lot less with the bank for my house than the one I originally went to, same everything- why the difference?? Did I defraud the one I went to? Do I care? We signed papers, and I have lived up to my word, they lived up to theirs. Called business. Tell us, did you go with the highest rate?

On other business I have had, they have never been too busy to quote me a rate on which they determined they would do business with me... and if I don't like their rate, I shop around till I find a better one. I did this same thing for car loans, real estate and credit cards, as well as bank fees on business accounts. And guess what- not a single DA did they need in sight!

If one of Trumps banks found out that things weren't kosher, that they felt the loan was at risk, they would have brought the suit ... but much to everyones surprise except the hypocritical dimocrats, there were no complaints, only a corrupt DA who ignores criminals and crime running rampant on the streets of NY, concentrating on exactly one political foe.

Now ignore the raft of specious lawsuits brought against him since he walked down the stairs... in all the years Trump has done business, how in the world did all these line up to be timed for the critical period of a run for the presidency, how absolutely fortuitous to the crime family called Biden. And now senility is even protecting him on the legal front, the report said he willfully and intentionally mishandled documents but he is too senile to stand trial, but he is sharp and crisp and attentive mentally to run the country- which is it???? ROFL you can't make this stuff up.

Here is the thing, he will never pay the 350 million, and that is something that doesn't matter, the lawsuit's timing was the goal, not the penalty. The DA's job is done... now she can go back to chasing business's out of NYC...

I think its humorous the mental hoops the dems will go to to avoid running on the issues against anybody - then pretend their dirty tricks are not anti American and call anybody calling them out on it... anti-democratic... the technique is called projection.

Getting a reduced speed on a speeding ticket or co... (show quote)

Very well said!!

btbg

RichieC wrote:

Getting a reduced speed on a speeding ticket or converted to a failure to comply or tail light out etc. happens all the time. Leniency in front of a judge depends on how many other tickets you have earned and if you are a demonstrated risk to other drivers.

Banks are in the business of loaning money, don't try and sell that banks don't do due diligence in making sure a loan is good- they have exactly the staff and all the the time they need to run their business. The bigger their exposure, the exact amount of diligence do they employ. I have never heard one that depends on a DA to look over their shoulder in order to make a profit... maybe you can show us another example.

Banks determine if they need or can afford to lend you money, and if so, at what rate. I paid a lot less with the bank for my house than the one I originally went to, same everything- why the difference?? Did I defraud the one I went to? Do I care? We signed papers, and I have lived up to my word, they lived up to theirs. Called business. Tell us, did you go with the highest rate?

On other business I have had, they have never been too busy to quote me a rate on which they determined they would do business with me... and if I don't like their rate, I shop around till I find a better one. I did this same thing for car loans, real estate and credit cards, as well as bank fees on business accounts. And guess what- not a single DA did they need in sight!

If one of Trumps banks found out that things weren't kosher, that they felt the loan was at risk, they would have brought the suit ... but much to everyones surprise except the hypocritical dimocrats, there were no complaints, only a corrupt DA who ignores criminals and crime running rampant on the streets of NY, concentrating on exactly one political foe.

Now ignore the raft of specious lawsuits brought against him since he walked down the stairs... in all the years Trump has done business, how in the world did all these line up to be timed for the critical period of a run for the presidency, how absolutely fortuitous to the crime family called Biden. And now senility is even protecting him on the legal front, the report said he willfully and intentionally mishandled documents but he is too senile to stand trial, but he is sharp and crisp and attentive mentally to run the country- which is it???? ROFL you can't make this stuff up.

Here is the thing, he will never pay the 350 million, and that is something that doesn't matter, the lawsuit's timing was the goal, not the penalty. The DA's job is done... now she can go back to chasing business's out of NYC...

I think its humorous the mental hoops the dems will go to to avoid running on the issues against anybody - then pretend their dirty tricks are not anti American and call anybody calling them out on it... anti-democratic... the technique is called projection.

Getting a reduced speed on a speeding ticket or co... (show quote)

Well said.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

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DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

dennis2146 wrote:

What type of judge says from day one any defendant... (show quote)

Because. Guilt was already established in previous trial. This last one was to decide the punishment NOT guilt

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

btbg wrote:

You cant have it both ways. There is no way to bot... (show quote)

There is no way to both deflate and inflate the value of property. If he underpaid his taxes then he didnt inflate the value for loans and vice versus. Have you even stopped to think about the absurdity of claiming that at the same time he both inflated and deflated the value of his property.
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Why would you say he deflated and inflated at the same time ???in addition the Loan organization(s) may have not cared( that doesn’t have a thing to do with trump breaking the law)