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Feb 16, 2024 14:36:56   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
Frank T wrote:
There's a reason they call I95 the Iron Pipeline.
Different rules for different states will never address the problem.


I would agree that if there was a universal background check that it would greatly cut down on “straw purchases” but I wonder if the federal government is prosecuting and dishing out maximum sentences for illegally selling, transporting even racketeering. ATF should declare was on such activity.

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Feb 16, 2024 15:15:48   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
rcarol wrote:
People who are bent on committing a heinous crime such as the one at KC don't give a shit about laws and permits. Laws and permits would not have prevented this crime.


The problem is that more and more people don't care about right or wrong or the sanctity of life. So, more people are being killed. More people commit crime without compunction. It wasn't that way when I was young. People believed in right and wrong.

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Feb 16, 2024 15:19:58   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
mikee wrote:
BUT, not having gun availability would have made a difference.


Cartel smuggles drugs, which are illegal. Guns all vanish by magic = Cartel now smuggles guns also (real military ones*) so their sales agents can guard the product and dispute sales territory with rival gangs.

*Gangs now outgun everyone but SWAT so all our cops have to be equipped as if they are Combat Infantry and travel in squads.

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Feb 16, 2024 15:20:01   #
rcarol
 
mikee wrote:
BUT, not having gun availability would have made a difference.


You must be joking. Do you think that taking away guns from law biding citizens is going to also keep them out of the hands of would be criminals? All they have to do is go on the black market or south of the border and they will be able to get whatever they want, any time they want. Taking guns off of the street and thinking that will take them out of the hands of the criminal is naive at best.

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Feb 16, 2024 15:33:37   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Effate wrote:
I would agree that if there was a universal background check that it would greatly cut down on “straw purchases” but I wonder if the federal government is prosecuting and dishing out maximum sentences for illegally selling, transporting even racketeering. ATF should declare was on such activity.


Every gun transaction done through a legal dealer has to have an ATF Form 4473 done. That form includes an instant computer background check.
Form 4473 contains the purchaser's name, address, date of birth, government-issued photo ID, National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) background ... etc. etc.

So we already have a universal background check for all sales and purchases through a legal dealer*. Louie the Lurker in the ally behind the liquor store doesn't bother with those things, and his merchandise is already stolen or smuggled from out of country.

*Yes, Gentle Homo, if you buy a gun from a dealer you do the form. If you sell Grandpa's guns after he dies, you also do the form and get a background check. After all you may have stolen them etc. etc.

EDIT EDIT: Before someone gets bent out of shape Homo=Latin for Man or Human and Homo Sapiens is Latin for Wise Man and it the official name of the species of the posters on this site - Well, at least 99% of them. When I told my wife that some studies show 1% to 4% of the average modern human DNA is from the Neanderthals her response "I think you are at least 50%!"

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Feb 16, 2024 17:31:10   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
Okay, all you liberal anti-aging liberals, what needs to be done? If you could snap your fingers and make it happen?

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Feb 16, 2024 17:36:28   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
papakatz45 wrote:
Okay, all you liberal anti-aging liberals, what needs to be done? If you could snap your fingers and make it happen?


Make you disappear, snap snap, did it work?

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Feb 16, 2024 18:02:50   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
Kraken wrote:
Make you disappear, snap snap, did it work?


As always, you never answer a question. Are you just too stupid to have an informed opinion? Is it because of your obvious liberal education? Or is it that you can only parrot what the other wacko liberals say? Gone on Krackhead, which is it?

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Feb 16, 2024 18:17:07   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
papakatz45 wrote:
As always, you never answer a question. Are you just too stupid to have an informed opinion? Is it because of your obvious liberal education? Or is it that you can only parrot what the other wacko liberals say? Gone on Krackhead, which is it?


So you sent your sense of humour out for repairs.

When do expect to get them back? Let me know.

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Feb 16, 2024 18:57:33   #
mikee
 
Effate wrote:
Kinda like North Korea or China? The toothpaste is out of the tube so if you really want to put a small dent in the problem you should jettison confiscatory ideas and stop viewing the problem myopically.


If we paid people enough for spilled toothpaste, I'm sure we could get the vast majority of it back.

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Feb 16, 2024 19:15:10   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
mikee wrote:
If we paid people enough for spilled toothpaste, I'm sure we could get the vast majority of it back.


If you are referring to gun buy backs our local law enforcement usually gets a pile of crap Saturday night specials. I’ve never seen a gangster relinquish his serviceable semi-auto pistol and legit citizens aren’t going to shrink their collections for penny’s on the dollar.. if someone was inclined to get rid of a weapon they could sell it quickly for its market value. What makes you think those who legally or illegally own guns are inclined to give them up for some monetary inducement? Think about it, if you could buy them all and the value was only $500 average that would take $250 billion dollars. Next plan!

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Feb 16, 2024 21:19:33   #
mikee
 
Effate wrote:
If you are referring to gun buy backs our local law enforcement usually gets a pile of crap Saturday night specials. I’ve never seen a gangster relinquish his serviceable semi-auto pistol and legit citizens aren’t going to shrink their collections for penny’s on the dollar.. if someone was inclined to get rid of a weapon they could sell it quickly for its market value. What makes you think those who legally or illegally own guns are inclined to give them up for some monetary inducement? Think about it, if you could buy them all and the value was only $500 average that would take $250 billion dollars. Next plan!
If you are referring to gun buy backs our local la... (show quote)


We are paying $80 billion per year on prisons now. Eliminate guns and we'd all be safer, with fewer incarcerated (one of the few things we're #1 at as a nation is highest numbers in prisons). Program would pay for itself in less than 10 years. It's called planning ahead, not next plan.

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Feb 16, 2024 21:28:24   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
Frank T wrote:
The real question is: With more than 18,000 firearm deaths in this country last year, what is it going to take to pass some responsible gun laws?
Fool. What criminal is going to adhere to ANY additional laws. It is against the law to discharge a firearm in public. It is against the law to shoot someone unless your life is in imminent danger. Your left wing politicos are now at catch and release - so right back on the street. Good Guys didn't need guns in this situation to capture immature children (probably gang bangers) who had acquired firearms. Their guns were empty - so just take 'em down. Those who were actually shot or killed were simply innocent bystanders - NOT actively targeted. Good guys with guns will stop bad guys in a hostage situation or an active shooter situation. KC was neither.
THIS was over in seconds. No time to neutralize ANY of the shooters till they ran out of ammo. THEN it was DONE.
Had this BEEN a prolonged situation - a good guy WOULD have taken them out.
Ohh Crap - I got sucked into the dungeon again.

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Feb 16, 2024 21:31:17   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
mikee wrote:
We've all heard it...the NRA rhetoric. It takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun. Well, what happened in KC yesterday then? There were 800 good guys (police; highly trained, all armed, wearing vests, dedicated to protecting the citizens of their good city) who couldn't stop a few bag guys from killing and injuring 20 people. Video shows very courageous unarmed bystanders take down a suspect. It kinda shoots that rhetoric full of holes, doesn't it? The availabity of guns is a problem. That point can't be argued.
We've all heard it...the NRA rhetoric. It takes a ... (show quote)


Are you by chance a professional Glass Lighter?

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Feb 16, 2024 21:37:25   #
Merlin1300 Loc: New England, But Now & Forever SoTX
 
Kraken wrote:
So you sent your sense of humour out for repairs. When do expect to get them back? Let me know.
Yes KrakHead is your typical left wing atheist who never answers the question but descends into the dungeon of diversion. You expect reason?? The dungeon is no place for that.

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