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Feb 14, 2024 19:54:21   #
Properframe Loc: US Virginia
 
The comment was:

"Well sir, if we don't pay, and we're attacked by Russia - will you protect us?" Trump quoted the unnamed leader as saying.
"I said: 'You didn't pay? You're delinquent?' He said: 'Yes, let's say that happened.' No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them (Russia) to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay," Trump said.

All hypothetical. Sounds like something an entertainer might say.

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Feb 14, 2024 20:04:19   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Properframe wrote:
The comment was:

"Well sir, if we don't pay, and we're attacked by Russia - will you protect us?" Trump quoted the unnamed leader as saying.
"I said: 'You didn't pay? You're delinquent?' He said: 'Yes, let's say that happened.' No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them (Russia) to do whatever the hell they want. You gotta pay," Trump said.

All hypothetical. Sounds like something an entertainer might say.


It's called a Trump 'sir story'. Someone important, always unnamed, always pays him great deference and asks why he's so awesome.

Unnamed Combat Vet Gen sez ... "Sir, that was the bravest thing I've ever seen!"
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-794294-1.html

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Feb 14, 2024 20:38:21   #
rwoodvira
 
I agree with your point about we need as many friends out there that we can get. I haven't seen anyone mention that many of those countries that border Russia are above the 2%; I guess Trump would think its ok for Russia to move through those to get to the low paying states. The chart also reveals that the countries that were invaded during both World Wars are not keeping up their ends of the bargain - France, Belgium, Denmark and so on. Trump's methodology leaves much to be desired. Should they pay up, yes - but advising they'll be left wide open to Russia, again shows Trump as a bully.

That being said it seems that Trump more identifies with the dictators of Russia, China, and North Korea than the democracies; somehow I think he forgets those democracies represent our values as well. His iron fist in controlling Republican politics doesn't bode well for the rest of us if he returns to office. Some of you might forget his former chief of staff General John Kelly said of Trump: “The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it’s more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life...”

In the 20th Century we were drawn into 2 wars in Europe; largely to protect our own interests. The world is getting smaller every day with faster communication; those places that were once so far away can be reached by plane in 24 hours. Post World War I, the Senate refused to allow the US into the League of Nations. There's much to be said that if we had played an active role perhaps the rise of Germany could have been tempered and countless lives and destruction could have been avoided. Those following the course to abandon the premise of NATO must also forget that the plans of Japan and Germany post the conquest of Asia and Europe was to conquer North America. Can we really allow China and Russia to go unchecked?

Lastly, Trump's comment of Nikki Haley's husband shows how little Trump values our military; Haley's husband was on duty for the National Guard. Much has been made in the past on this forum about Trump's comments regarding our sacred dead in Europe. He continues to show disdain for those who serve and in some cases have died to preserve our liberties.

Biden is clearly no prize; we really need an alternative to both.

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Feb 15, 2024 08:35:06   #
Bison Bud
 
rwoodvira wrote:
I agree with your point about we need as many friends out there that we can get. I haven't seen anyone mention that many of those countries that border Russia are above the 2%; I guess Trump would think its ok for Russia to move through those to get to the low paying states. The chart also reveals that the countries that were invaded during both World Wars are not keeping up their ends of the bargain - France, Belgium, Denmark and so on. Trump's methodology leaves much to be desired. Should they pay up, yes - but advising they'll be left wide open to Russia, again shows Trump as a bully.

That being said it seems that Trump more identifies with the dictators of Russia, China, and North Korea than the democracies; somehow I think he forgets those democracies represent our values as well. His iron fist in controlling Republican politics doesn't bode well for the rest of us if he returns to office. Some of you might forget his former chief of staff General John Kelly said of Trump: “The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it’s more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life...”

In the 20th Century we were drawn into 2 wars in Europe; largely to protect our own interests. The world is getting smaller every day with faster communication; those places that were once so far away can be reached by plane in 24 hours. Post World War I, the Senate refused to allow the US into the League of Nations. There's much to be said that if we had played an active role perhaps the rise of Germany could have been tempered and countless lives and destruction could have been avoided. Those following the course to abandon the premise of NATO must also forget that the plans of Japan and Germany post the conquest of Asia and Europe was to conquer North America. Can we really allow China and Russia to go unchecked?

Lastly, Trump's comment of Nikki Haley's husband shows how little Trump values our military; Haley's husband was on duty for the National Guard. Much has been made in the past on this forum about Trump's comments regarding our sacred dead in Europe. He continues to show disdain for those who serve and in some cases have died to preserve our liberties.

Biden is clearly no prize; we really need an alternative to both.
I agree with your point about we need as many frie... (show quote)


Well said Sir, especially the last sentence!

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Feb 15, 2024 10:33:35   #
srt101fan
 
rwoodvira wrote:
I agree with your point about we need as many friends out there that we can get. I haven't seen anyone mention that many of those countries that border Russia are above the 2%; I guess Trump would think its ok for Russia to move through those to get to the low paying states. The chart also reveals that the countries that were invaded during both World Wars are not keeping up their ends of the bargain - France, Belgium, Denmark and so on. Trump's methodology leaves much to be desired. Should they pay up, yes - but advising they'll be left wide open to Russia, again shows Trump as a bully.

That being said it seems that Trump more identifies with the dictators of Russia, China, and North Korea than the democracies; somehow I think he forgets those democracies represent our values as well. His iron fist in controlling Republican politics doesn't bode well for the rest of us if he returns to office. Some of you might forget his former chief of staff General John Kelly said of Trump: “The depths of his dishonesty is just astounding to me. The dishonesty, the transactional nature of every relationship, though it’s more pathetic than anything else. He is the most flawed person I have ever met in my life...”

In the 20th Century we were drawn into 2 wars in Europe; largely to protect our own interests. The world is getting smaller every day with faster communication; those places that were once so far away can be reached by plane in 24 hours. Post World War I, the Senate refused to allow the US into the League of Nations. There's much to be said that if we had played an active role perhaps the rise of Germany could have been tempered and countless lives and destruction could have been avoided. Those following the course to abandon the premise of NATO must also forget that the plans of Japan and Germany post the conquest of Asia and Europe was to conquer North America. Can we really allow China and Russia to go unchecked?

Lastly, Trump's comment of Nikki Haley's husband shows how little Trump values our military; Haley's husband was on duty for the National Guard. Much has been made in the past on this forum about Trump's comments regarding our sacred dead in Europe. He continues to show disdain for those who serve and in some cases have died to preserve our liberties.

Biden is clearly no prize; we really need an alternative to both.
I agree with your point about we need as many frie... (show quote)


Excellent assessment!

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Feb 15, 2024 12:48:38   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Bison Bud wrote:
First off, I'm a registered Independent that voted for Trump both times. I thought he did a great job while in office and we agreed on most policies and politics. However, I did feel that he got a bit crazy after losing the second election and I really have never cared for his self centered, self serving personality. Anyway, after recent events, I am done with him. His recent statements that he would not protect our NATO allies that didn't pay their part was way over the top! He even went so far as to say that he would encourage Russia to do "Whatever the Hell they want!" While I do agree that our NATO allies need to take a more active role and meet their obligations, this is not the way to approach that situation and this pretty much alienates our allies to the point of a possible end to NATO. At the very least it severely weakens it going forward, especially if he gets re-elected. Frankly, we need all the friends we can get, especially in Europe and the Middle east and an end for NATO would mean losing some very strategic bases and allies over there as well as embolden Putin's Russia. Geese, we are close enough to WWIII as it is and this man does not need to be our Commander and Chief again! He will under no circumstance get my vote again and I sincerely hope that others feel the same.
First off, I'm a registered Independent that voted... (show quote)


What an interesting post you submit. You say Trump did a great job while in office but find him self centered and self serving. I can't disagree with thinking he did a great job while in office. I have also posted here a number of times I would hate to work with him as my immediate supervisor. He not only fires someone but then badmouths that person afterward. Not a good supervisor trait in my opinion. But then again what President is perfect? For me Trump did a great job especially when he excelled at accomplishing things other Presidents never once tackled or talked about doing but never did anything. Talking a problem to death is the mainstay of politicians. Trump not only talked about issues such as North Korea and putting Jerusalem where it rightfully belongs but actually did these things. Other Presidents talked of putting up a wall on the Southern border. Trump did his best to put up a wall right up until the Left said he was a racist and decided a wall wasn't needed. Did Mexico pay for it? No they did not but on the other hand Trump worked with there Mexican government to achieve something the Left has never achieved, keeping asylum seekers in Mexico until their case was adjudicated. But under Biden the wall was hated, no end of jokes were made of Trump and the wall right up until Biden and the lying corrupt Left finally decided the wall was a great idea. Then they jumped on it. Did I mention hypocrisy being the mainstay of the Left along with lies and corruption? Rather than work with Mexico to house these asylum seekers, Biden simply gave them a court date for years in the future and expects these freeloaders to actually show up. Hell, why should they make an appearance when they will never be found anyway. They are here to stay at yours and my expense. I wonder how many Liberals are taking these freeloaders into their homes? High priced hotels they have stayed at are ruined in many cases and the freeloaders refuse to eat the food served. Talk about an ungrateful bunch of bastards huh?

Surely you can agree those European NATO nations should have been made to pay their fair share of NATO costs can't you? You don't like what Trump says but then again what has ANY other politician in America said about NATO paying its fair share? NOTHING I know of. At least Trump speaks up with a set of balls and insists America not be screwed over time and again. What is worse to you, America getting screwed or Trump speaking up on behalf of America? Why should America foot the bill for everything else going on in the world? When wars break out it is America who pays not only in cash but also in there blood of our troops when in many cases we have nothing to do with the problems of some other country. Take Ukraine for example. I am all for supporting Ukraine in its fight with the Russian take over. But when does it end. It seems every month it is America doling out Billions of dollars to protect Ukraine even though reports show the Ukrainian politicians are using our Billions of dollars to buy lavish automobiles, buy gold and property in other countries. I have read where our Billions are used to pay for pension plans of Ukraine workers. Shouldn't someone with a brain, that would not be POS Biden, demand some accounting of those Billions of dollars? Shouldn't there be someone with the BALLS to say NO? But there isn't. We just keep paying out Billions even when our own national security is threatened as when Biden told the world we don't have artillery ammunition for our own needs if we are attacked or have to go to war. We pay to support the Ukrainian border but what of our own border? Wouldn't it be nice if America had a border just as does every other country on the planet?

We need all the friends we can get, you tell us. All too true and I agree. But friendship goes both ways doesn't it? Maybe some of these other countries can try befriending America for a change. Maybe the UN could start doing its job? Didn't there used to be a UN force that would go into countries like Ukraine to help for that country's freedom from Russian invasion. Isn't there something the UN could do to force Russia to back off and get out of Ukraine? Must everything on the planet be left to America to solve?

You tell us you don't like Trump. Sometimes I don't like the things he says. But take a good look at the lying corrupt Left. Is there anything at all you like from that side? For me there is not even one small accomplishment Biden has made for the good of America. His policies are designed to divide Americans for the good of Socialism.

Dennis

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Feb 15, 2024 12:50:18   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
FredCM wrote:
I saw it on the internet so I know it must be true.


I think it was part of Lincoln's Gettysburg Address wasn't it?

Dennis

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Feb 15, 2024 13:15:44   #
mikee
 
Longshadow wrote:
We basically have two choices:
Bad and worse...


Thats ALWAYS the problem in politics. "Anyone but Trump" is a growing motto, and for good reasons. He's unhinged.

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Feb 15, 2024 13:36:20   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
mikee wrote:
Thats ALWAYS the problem in politics. "Anyone but Trump" is a growing motto, and for good reasons. He's unhinged.


You really need to get your head out of a dark place. Wash it off good too. It isn't Anyone but Trump so much anymore but more like Anyone like demented perverted dumb shit Joe come Lately POS Biden. Take a good look at Biden's poll numbers. Take a good look at news stations who are now laughing their asses off at dumb shit Biden. You know, the very same Biden who can't decide to fall up or down stairs, who trips up not only with his two LEFT feet but also with his Run of the Mouth Disease on a daily basis; the very same Biden who the Left tells us is too old and senile to be held responsible for his actions regarding his breaking the law by possessing classified documents but is still sane and cognizant enough to run this country. Yes, THAT lying corrupt Left. Isn't it well over 70% of even Democratic voters who say Biden should not run again?

But then here you come like the good little Marxist you are telling us Biden is better than Trump and that it is Trump who is unhinged. Looks like you need to see a good psychiatrist yourself to get some explanation of your severe and mind numbing mental health disease, Bidenitis. Good luck with that. Hopefully in November you will either be cured or forever gone.

Dennis

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Feb 15, 2024 14:30:27   #
McKinneyMike Loc: Texas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
You really need to get your head out of a dark place. Wash it off good too. It isn't Anyone but Trump so much anymore but more like Anyone like demented perverted dumb shit Joe come Lately POS Biden. Take a good look at Biden's poll numbers. Take a good look at news stations who are now laughing their asses off at dumb shit Biden. You know, the very same Biden who can't decide to fall up or down stairs, who trips up not only with his two LEFT feet but also with his Run of the Mouth Disease on a daily basis; the very same Biden who the Left tells us is too old and senile to be held responsible for his actions regarding his breaking the law by possessing classified documents but is still sane and cognizant enough to run this country. Yes, THAT lying corrupt Left. Isn't it well over 70% of even Democratic voters who say Biden should not run again?

But then here you come like the good little Marxist you are telling us Biden is better than Trump and that it is Trump who is unhinged. Looks like you need to see a good psychiatrist yourself to get some explanation of your severe and mind numbing mental health disease, Bidenitis. Good luck with that. Hopefully in November you will either be cured or forever gone.

Dennis
You really need to get your head out of a dark pla... (show quote)


Trump is what he is. It is the follower's of him that need to ask themselves why, not those that want absolutely nothing to do with him or what he represents!

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Feb 15, 2024 14:38:21   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
McKinneyMike wrote:
Trump is what he is. It is the follower's of him that need to ask themselves why, not those that want absolutely nothing to do with him or what he represents!


Yeah, uh huh. Trump is what he is, a success while in office, achieving positive changes for America.

While those who support POS Biden make that claim there isn't anything positive in Biden's history that has ever been a positive for America. The economy just plain SUCKS. His border plan is nothing but a complete illegal failure for America and Americans. His domestics ideas all SUCK, foreign relations all SUCK. Biden's lies and corruption are known world wide. Biden's falling up and down physically and mentally are right out there in public.

Dennis

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Feb 15, 2024 15:31:30   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
mikee wrote:
Thats ALWAYS the problem in politics. "Anyone but Trump" is a growing motto, and for good reasons. He's unhinged.


And seemingly getting more each day .

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Feb 15, 2024 15:32:19   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Yeah, uh huh. Trump is what he is, a success while in office, achieving positive changes for America.

While those who support POS Biden make that claim there isn't anything positive in Biden's history that has ever been a positive for America. The economy just plain SUCKS. His border plan is nothing but a complete illegal failure for America and Americans. His domestics ideas all SUCK, foreign relations all SUCK. Biden's lies and corruption are known world wide. Biden's falling up and down physically and mentally are right out there in public.

Dennis
Yeah, uh huh. Trump is what he is, a success whil... (show quote)

What “ positive “ changes were there ?

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Feb 15, 2024 16:58:06   #
jlocke Loc: Austin, TX
 
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/14/europe/nato-defense-spending-target-intl/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/02/12/nato-countries-defense-spending-gdp-trump/

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Feb 15, 2024 17:19:45   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
DennyT wrote:
What “ positive “ changes were there ?


You truly are a slow learner aren't you lil denny?

The contact with North Korea was a positive for America. Yes you on the Left refuse to admit that but it is true. Trump was the first American President to visit North Korea and the first to have a North Korean leader visit the
White House. Negotiations were opened up between North and South Korea. Some of America's war dead were returned to America for a proper burial. It did not work out as perfectly as we may have hoped but it sure is a lot better than anything Clinton did (didn't Billy Bob Clinton pay KJU extortion money to not send missiles our way) and far better than Obama did.

Trump went ahead with the moving of Jerusalem to be the Capital of Israel. Many Presidents thought about doing it but ONLY Trump did.

Trump left the scattered remains of Iranian General Soleimani all over someplace after a missile hit him. That's what he gets for being part of murdering American military men and women.

America left Afghanistan because of Trump's negotiations. Otherwise we would still be right there. Yet it is the Maroons on the Left who whine and complain like little cowards and blame Trump for the BIDEN Botched pull out from Afghanistan. Apparently your boy POS Biden didn't have the smarts or the advice of his military advisors to do the job properly. Yet you lying corrupt Left Wingers still want to blame Trump.

Through Jared Kushner an accord was reached for peace in the Middle East. THAT was Trump's doing too.

It was because of Trump that the first Covid vaccines were approved for use. Please do not waste my time saying it was Biden who did that. But it was Biden and his whore gutter slut VP Harris who stated they would not take the vaccine because Trump had a hand in it. Now if that isn't the most child like asinine comment to make when Millions of people are wanting the vaccines to work.

Trump tried his best to stop people from coming into America that might be carrying the virus but of course the ignorant Left called him a Racist. Weren't you one of those lil denny? Didn't you post something here to that effect too?

There is more but this one hell of a good start. Maybe you either need to look this information up yourself so as to not appear ADDLED in the head OR start being honest.

Dennis

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