Bison Bud

First off, I'm a registered Independent that v**ed for Trump both times. I thought he did a great job while in office and we agreed on most policies and politics. However, I did feel that he got a bit crazy after losing the second e******n and I really have never cared for his self centered, self serving personality. Anyway, after recent events, I am done with him. His recent statements that he would not protect our NATO allies that didn't pay their part was way over the top! He even went so far as to say that he would encourage Russia to do "Wh**ever the Hell they want!" While I do agree that our NATO allies need to take a more active role and meet their obligations, this is not the way to approach that situation and this pretty much alienates our allies to the point of a possible end to NATO. At the very least it severely weakens it going forward, especially if he gets re-elected. Frankly, we need all the friends we can get, especially in Europe and the Middle east and an end for NATO would mean losing some very strategic bases and allies over there as well as embolden Putin's Russia. Geese, we are close enough to WWIII as it is and this man does not need to be our Commander and Chief again! He will under no circumstance get my v**e again and I sincerely hope that others feel the same.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

We basically have two choices:
Bad and worse...

BebuLamar

I think this will go to the attic.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Ya think? 🤣

BebuLamar

Haha! anything to do with Trump belongs to the attic.

therwol Loc: USA

Anything having to do with politics will end up in the attic. That's the rule. I happen to agree with the post, but it doesn't belong here. The responses could get ugly, and this section can be viewed by the public.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Bison Bud

Yeah, this doesn't leave us much of a choice!

FredCM Loc: Central Illinois

Saw something yesterday about who spends what for NATO and defense. All members spend over the 2% bit on their defense. No freeloaders, that's nonsense. What's interesting is we spend 2.7% of our GNP on "defense." BUT, that includes the Pacific area too, not just Europe like everyone else. Soooo, one could argue we are the only freeloader in NATO. Ignoring that our GNP is way way higher than any others'.

Bison Bud

Interesting, I'll look up that data as well.

Also sorry if I posted this in the wrong place. If it gets moved to the "Attic" then so be it and I'll try not to post political items in the general category in the future.

FredCM Loc: Central Illinois

I saw it on the internet so I know it must be true.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

ROFLMAO!

srt101fan

Can't The Attic also be viewed by the public?

srt101fan

You are wrong about the 2%. Not all NATO countries have reached that target.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Yes.