I guess I'm done with Trump! (Page 2): :sm06: Sadly...

flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert

Longshadow wrote:

We basically have two choices:
Bad and worse...

Sadly...

flyboy61 Loc: The Great American Desert

Dunno about this thing called "The Attic", but my wife refuses to consider Mr. Trump, and I am leaning that way. He is not the man he was, for various reasons. We didn't hire a Clergyman...we wanted/needed things DONE, and promises kept. Unfortunately, the "sissified" portion of our society weren't impressed with performance, they wanted "promises". But, now, which of the wannabes has the testosterone to do a creditable job?

PhotogHobbyist Loc: Bradford, PA

Longshadow wrote:

We basically have two choices:
Bad and worse...

There is one other possibility, a chance at our first lady President. I would not wish this to go into the attic, it could be a good discussion if everyone can agree that we are expresing personal opinions and not get nasty or threatening in their comments.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

PhotogHobbyist wrote:

There is one other possibility, a chance at our first lady President. I would not wish this to go into the attic, it could be a good discussion if everyone can agree that we are expresing personal opinions and not get nasty or threatening in their comments.

Only if she'll do a better job than the two "current" contenders....

Interesting that no one mentions a third party.....

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Bison Bud wrote:

First off, I'm a registered Independent that v**ed... (show quote)

Would you expect your insurance company to cover losses to your home or autos if you did not fully pay their premiums? It is long past time that NATO nations quit relying on the American taxpayers to subsidize their national defense.

Triple G

Blurryeyed wrote:

Would you expect your insurance company to cover losses to your home or autos if you did not fully pay their premiums? It is long past time that NATO nations quit relying on the American taxpayers to subsidize their national defense.

People pay premiums to insurance to have disasters covered. Anyone who invites a disaster so claims can be denied is plain demented.

https://rollcall.com/2024/02/13/fact-checking-trump-comments-on-delinquent-nato-countries/
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49198.htm

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

FredCM wrote:

Saw something yesterday about who spends what for NATO and defense. All members spend over the 2% bit on their defense. No freeloaders, that's nonsense. What's interesting is we spend 2.7% of our GNP on "defense." BUT, that includes the Pacific area too, not just Europe like everyone else. Soooo, one could argue we are the only freeloader in NATO. Ignoring that our GNP is way way higher than any others'.

while the notion that EU countries " all " spend 2% of their GDP on defense is incorrect -- It is interesting that while we spend 2.7% ( which is correct) of GDP on defense but that that is world wide not just in EU arena.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

DennyT wrote:

while the notion that EU countries " all " spend 2% of their GDP on defense is incorrect -- It is interesting that while we spend 2.7% ( which is correct) of GDP on defense but that that is world wide not just in EU arena.

Maybe this nice chart will help:
https://www.statista.com/chart/14636/defense-expenditures-of-nato-countries/

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Triple G wrote:

People pay premiums to insurance to have disasters covered. Anyone who invites a disaster so claims can be denied is plain demented.

https://rollcall.com/2024/02/13/fact-checking-trump-comments-on-delinquent-nato-countries/
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49198.htm

Nobody is inviting disaster, Trump's words may be over the top but they are designed to make a point that is long overdue, he should be suggesting that should NATO members not meet their commitments that they maybe should no longer enjoy the benefits of membership.

Pretty much as I said, if you don't fully pay your insurance premiums you would be wasting your time trying to make claim.

therwol Loc: USA

Longshadow wrote:

Yes.

I believe that this must be a change, perhaps during an upgrade of the web site. I logged out, and I can still get to it and read the posts by going to All Sections and finding it. I asked Admin about this.

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Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

DennyT wrote:

while the notion that EU countries " all " spend 2% of their GDP on defense is incorrect -- It is interesting that while we spend 2.7% ( which is correct) of GDP on defense but that that is world wide not just in EU arena.

Are you sure that we don't spend just under 3.5% of our GDP on defense?

Triple G

Blurryeyed wrote:

Nobody is inviting disaster, Trump's words may be over the top but they are designed to make a point that is long overdue, he should be suggesting that should NATO members not meet their commitments that they maybe should no longer enjoy the benefits of membership.

Pretty much as I said, if you don't fully pay your insurance premiums you would be wasting your time trying to make claim.

trump definitely is
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/02/12/europe-must-hurry-to-defend-itself-against-russia-and-donald-trump

srt101fan

therwol wrote:

I believe that this must be a change, perhaps during an upgrade of the web site. I logged out, and I can still get to it and read the posts by going to All Sections and finding it. I asked Admin about this.

I think you could always get to it without signing in.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Triple G wrote:

trump definitely is
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/02/12/europe-must-hurry-to-defend-itself-against-russia-and-donald-trump

I don't put any stock into leftwing clickbait BS, which is exactly what your linked article is.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Blurryeyed wrote:

Are you sure that we don't spend just under 3.5% of our GDP on defense?

We spend 2.7% or soon will of our gdp on defense BUT that is world wide.

https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Photos/igphoto/2002099941/

while eu countries spend the great majority if not nearly all their budget on their Europe’s defense .
So the idea Eu is freeloading on America bus totally false