Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

If the stupid twit had not started to climb through the window-space . . . .

I recall thinking while watching (live), that it was too bad the defending officers did not have SAW’s on hand to take-out the rioters storming the heart of an institution of democracy.

The Capitol Police certainly appeared inept, untrained, and unprepared for what transpired.

That rioting was the sort of action I had associated with turd-world countries.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

btbg

You could be right about the investigation, but the thing is that officer should have been fired previously when he lost his sidearm in a public restroom. He was clearly incompetent and had multiple examples of poor police procedure prior to January 6. That should be taken into account during any investigation, but it wasn't.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Your examples appear OK to assume that the entire contingent of law-enforcement should've been concentrated at the point of Ashley's for each that seems to be ridiculous on its face.

Also I am not aware of the pro Palestinian protesters had breached the capital building and were threatening members of Congress do use of deadly force into situations would've been completely inappropriate so you're comparing apples and oranges.

I have already said that I have no opinion about the quality of the officer training. When you keep coming back that subject you're making an an irrelevant response to my argument. After all, it wasn't for officer training that caused Ashli to preach the barricade was it?

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

I am certainly not suggesting all of the officers should have been at the point of entry as the three that were there did nothing. The point is all about training and preparation and is wholly relevant to the response. Like I stated earlier there appeared to be no central command directing an effective defense. The public should have never been allowed to breech. The response should have been out front organized with skirmish lines and arrest teams immediately arresting and removing those most aggressive and inciting. Every lawsuit against law enforcement is always going to have a cause of action for failure to train or behavior outside the scope of training. Every after action report or debriefing is going to critique training and I guarantee you that shooting investigation definitely had discussion relative to training or lack thereof. Training is always relevant.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

I never said the training was a irrelevant. Re-read my response to you.

Is your argument that if deadly force had been used outside the building it wouldn't have been necessary outside speakers lobby?

That argument not withstanding, what should a well trained force have done at that time and place? Confronted with a mob breaking down doors and windows attempting to access the house chamber while members of the house were still there trying to evacuate? Gentle persuasion? Harsh language? Stand aside and let this mob attack members of Congress? Or was deadly force justified at that time and in the place?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

It grows old hearing the. Same conspiracy. Theory of a Capitol Hill cop leading escorting the rioters on Jan 6th.
Sometime you need on Goodman


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFzx1FJia94

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

In our nations Capitol one would think that the Capitol Police and the surrounding agencies would train together on a regular basis involving D.C. police, fire and ambulance and the FBI if extraordinary intel is an element in the scenario. There would be a command post with one person calling the shots (centralized command since the event would have multiple agencies). They would need to be able to communicate between agencies. They would also have patty wagons to immediately incarcerate the elements who are most inflammatory. They should have had a force large enough to stand shoulder to shoulder with shields and batons, they could use less than lethal weapons such as 37mm baton rounds or bean bag rounds. The minute the situation eroded to a point that placed the Capitol at risk the order to disperse should have been given and the skirmish line should have been taking our agitators and a show of effective force so no the rioters should have never gotten in the building. An FBI investigator (as reported on NBC (certainly not right wing biased Kraken) that other agencies could have done more to repel the mob had they “acted” on available intelligence.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

The entire fiasco was one of the worst Charlie Foxtrots i have ever seen recently.

(Excepting the BLM riot lack-of-responses.)

skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA

So where was the National Guard?

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

Pelosie put a stop to that.

skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA

Why?

mikee

Whoever thinks of her as a hero should place her on the "hero" list next to Benedict Arnold and Aldrich Ames.

mikee

I think there should have been a few hundred other "heroes" on the ground next to her. An armed attack on the capital should have resulted in a "mass casualty event".

Nope, I don't drink the MAGA kool-aid.

scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.

I've seen nothing saying the people were armed.