Hip Coyote

Totally agree. It's an embarrassment. Over a camera selection. Wow.

UHH is unique in that it encourages discourse and keeps interest in photography flowing. But the lack of a active moderation coupled with lack of scruples of some of the users, is a real problem. A lot of wasted potential...and IMO, commercial success. Too bad.

Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan

The R8 is about $1300 at B&H, the 6D II about $1400.

Sony A1 - $6498
Nikon Z9 - $5500
Canon R5- $3400
Canon 5D IV - $2300
Canon R6 - $2000
OM-1 - $2000

The RP is the only model recommended that is more affordable, at $900.

Jumping on to a thread, ignoring the OP's question, using the thread to promote a particular camera and one's own images, neither of which is relevant to what the OP needs, then getting into arguments with others - is that "honey" - and pointing that out - is that "vinegar?"

That is the modern way I guess. Any sort of anti-social behavior is to be tolerated, any criticism of that behavior is to be seen as trouble making.

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CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

One certainly catches more flies with litter.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Image litter here is 99% trying to show off on a very easy subject.
It seems like here, other sites for photos is mostly birds over and over. Other wild animals are by far more difficult to capture and require far more work or we would see more of them.
But here it is just showing off another me too bird photo.

tgreenhaw

I'm not an expert bird photographer, but to say Canon cameras cannot take the same images as a Sony is just trolling. All of the leading brands take great photos in the hands of a photographer at the right place and time with some basic skills. Modern technology makes it easier and greatly increases the rate of "keepers".

Here are a few shots taken outside my patio in Estero Florida with a 9 year old lens. The first is sooc and the second is a crop and a few other I quickly grabbed for examples. I have plenty of examples of street photography, landscapes and video as well if you really need me to prove the point.

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neillaubenthal

You're going to see a huge fanboy response for and against all brands with a question like that…and I see that there are already claims of what is "best" but really, all of it is just fanboy-ism. Cameras are tools, not jewels as Steve Perry says…and the best one for you is never the same as the best one for person xxx. You've provided essentially bo information to help anybody make a decent recommendation…experience level, gear you already have, budget, needs, what do you want to take pictures of, physical abilities, and on and on. You'll get a whole bunch of replies that say the Sony A1 is "hands down the best cameras on the market"…or that the Nikon pick your Z model is…and for every review/claim/proof that brand x is best there are countervailing review/claim/proof that says brand y is better…and the truth of the matter is that IT DEPENDS on what you need. Each brand (assuming roughly equivalent models) has things it does that others do not do…and the other brand has things that the first brand can't do. And the absolute truth of the situation is that just about any current mirrorless body or still in production (as well as no longer in production) DSLR will take pretty equivalent photos…but tech marches on and today's best models generally have better AF/FPS/features/noise/IQ/whatever than 4 years ago…but again, depending on all of those factors you haven't identified…those differences might matter…and then again they might not. You would do far, far, far better as one reply said to go read reviews from a whole raft of photo sites and get generally informed about the pros and cons of various brands, models, and lenses…and then compare those to all of your unidentified factors (and more) listed above than you will ever get from igniting (intentionally or not but probably not as I see you're a new poster) a fanboy debate here.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

I own two of the cameras on that list and didn’t suggest either. I love both but besides being more expensive I assumed he was already somewhat invested in the Canon spere. I did suggest the RP as a possibility if his shooting style doesn’t require the R8 specs.
But really I’ve been here long enough to know almost every thread will contain lots of bad advice. At least in this case it’s easy to ignore. Many times the advice will just make a bad situation worse.

tgreenhaw

Once people start making an investment in lenses, they become brand loyal. The OP is interested in Canon cameras and he should know that if he goes with a Canon he is not stuck with brand he will regret. Canon cameras get the job done just like all the top brands.

neillaubenthal

Without getting into a whole whose is bigger debate…there's this guy you might have heard of…Steve Perry. He has a theory called the 80/4 rule…80% of a good photo comes from 4 inches behind the viewfinder. While I have no intention of posting it to get into yet another pointless debate…suffice it to say that I've got shots I took with my D7500 DSLR that are just as sharp and "bestest" as the one you posted.

Mostly…it isn't the equipment…it's the guy or gal behind the equipment. Yes…better AF tracking and faster FPS can generally give you more keepers than less better AF tracking and FPS…but you may have heard of this guy named Adams…he had neither of those and he took some pretty darned good pictures.

If a person is buying new today…or even gently used…then his/her skills/needs/budget/experience/physical abilities/etc/etc have a far bigger impact on their ability to get the pictures they want than whether they use N or S or C or F or O produced gear.

It would be far better if OP reviewed and held some gear in his hand and then identified all those characteristics that he needs/wants/is limited by and then ask intelligent questions…he's unintentionally started quite a fanboy war.

neillaubenthal

And even the actual question OP asked has far, far too few details and info for anyone to actually make a meaningful recommendation.

Hip Coyote

Ok, I'll settle it as the minister of truth...or is that tooth?

I do not use Canon gear. But that R8 looks pretty sweet for a nice price. Get that bad boy, save some $$ for some nice (used) glass over time, and one would have a great system.

When I was getting into shotgun shooting, I was all excited to maybe purchase a high-end shotgun. Olympians shoot Perazzi or Kreighoff or some such thing so I would too. I would even fly to Italy to have the gun fitted! A very accomplished shooter laughed and said at my skill level an old Browning would suffice...I could not possibly operate that the extreme end of the capabilities of the guns. He said use the old gun for a few years before dropping serious cash into a high end custom gun.

He was right...it was a goofy thought....except for the travel to Italy. Just skip the $20,000 price tag for the gun and fitting. I bought a very nice mid-priced gun and have used it ever since. Same with cameras...people think they need cutting edge stuff and really, they don't. Not many can use the gear to its fullest potential. And, if one enters the hobby thinking they are going to be a BIF photog, it is likely they will change down the road to another interest. I quickly got bored with landscapes. Your interests may well change.

So, to the OP, that R8 looks pretty sweet. Save your pennies and get upgraded glass, go shoot, have fun, and ignore the rest. You (and I) are not pros and never likely will be.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

If you leave your Canon at home, you're not a photographer.

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Auf tou empty the pan often enuf you wont attract so many flies.

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But that doesnt deter a classic UHH flood of nonmeaningful recommendations.

OP asked about two models that are easily compared and meet the budget. Theres no reason at all to recommend alternatives to those two.

I got a phone call about buying an R6. Why should I mention Nikons or Sonys parallel models ? I was called upon as a reliable and known expert. It is NEVVVVUH the job of an expert to muddy the water. Thaz the job of the phony experts of Hawgsterville.

Since an R6 was as suitable a choice as any and since it was the camera in question, I never asked why it was under consideration. The only *real* expert advice is "Buy it and get a David Busch book along with it". Never asked how big will you print or what will you shoot. A real expert doesnt ask meaningless questions. Thaz the job of the phony experts of Hawgsterville.