Bill_de Loc: US

The material is available for anyone who wants it. What I take away from much of the UHH community is that many are looking for some kind of conformity.

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dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone

That all makes good sense....
....elusiveness of composition.....tangibleness of technicalities of gear operations.

Unfortunate that some probably get started off on both wrong feet because of improper instruction in the face of inadequate knowledge level appropriate instructional materials.

R.G. Loc: Scotland

Maybe we can't change the world, and we're not all teachers, but what we can do is keep on mentioning what does matter. There's always the chance that someone may hear or see it and recognise its relevance.

dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone

In most any realm of life, conformity is probably easier to acquire than the grit and determination to search out and learn the foundations of the skill.

dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone

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RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri

Good for you Chief!

Mickey Jetpur Loc: California

Merry Christmas to all. One at a time and a little of it can go a long way. My grandson16, has shown interest in photography. Since a young age I let him take pictures with all the cameras I’ve had. I bought him a little point and shoot and recently he asked me for a dslr. He was so excited. I surprised him with the R10 as we can share some lenses!! He loves it and is already doing some great work.

srt101fan

R.G., I have great respect for your photographic knowledge and skill. However,.....I very much disagree with your statement that "...there's nothing more important" than composition. Content is much more important!

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Frankly, we don’t improve the situation here at UHH, by talking more about “PP” than about planning a photo beforehand.

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

Thanks, buddy!!

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

And right back at you!!
Surprised him with an R10! Wow! He must be a great Grandson!!

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

R.G. Loc: Scotland

Thank you. I presented that more as a turn of phrase than an absolute fact. I usually try to avoid painting with broad strokes. That was just my way of agreeing with what rehess was saying about composition.

The subject under discussion was the process of capture. Choice of content is obviously important, and it's typically determined before the event (opportunistic grab shots are an obvious exception), whereas choices relating to composition are made during the process of capture and are therefore more a part of that process (which was the subject under discussion). Choice of subject is a discussion topic in its own right. I certainly didn't intend to exclude anything.

goofybruce

...an interesting side (or maybe main) issue would be comparing cost of being a "serious" amateur from 50 years ago to today, over the course of a year. (You might even have some stuff (pictures, equipment, lab stuff) from that time period to illustrate that would encompass "developing and printing" of photos in the mix.
Today, once you have a good camera and a lens, your only further investment is an editing program (I would believe that nearly every home has a computer for other uses).
With the 1970 technology, you had to send the film away (or, if luck enough to live close to a drug store take it there to have it developed) the wait for the prints to come back.
If you did it yourself, you could rather quickly develop black & white film, but needed time and chemicals and a dark room, and the cost of an enlarger and paper and chemicals for that.
If you wanted to shoot (and process) in color, there was also the cost for consistent temperature equipment for the film and print developers as well as the chemicals, enlarger and paper.
Today, there is instant gratification/ability (chimping) on the scene to see what you got and ability to immediately change settings.
AND, OH YES...today you are not being limited to 36 shots per roll of film. Now, you can do 'bursts' of almost limitless shots.
Computer editing is much wider-ranging than the very limited 'creativity' in the developing/printing process of film. Today you got editing programs which can drastically widen the exposure/color elements as well as edit out the encroaching telephone pole.
Then you have cropping -- and seeing it all in regular (not negative) viewing.
The ability to share photos, even by internet to a dedicated frame anywhere in the world, is there today. In 1970, again you relied on the mail to show grandma how the kids have grown.
And, if you throw in drone cameras, adaptors for telescopes, remote (game) cameras and even "Ring" doorbell cameras, you get a wider range of what "photography" means today.

Oh, and did I mention video built into most digital cameras today? No more grainy pictures of "Uncle Ned" waving at the camera in 16 fps, and waiting for film to come back, then editing, then viewing, but only when everyone was gathered because you had to set up the screen and projector. Of course, on the bright side, there likely would have been popcorn, too...

And, today, you can have it included with your personal phone/notebook/computer, too.

Has any other "everyman" endeavor expanded so widely????

All that and probably cheaper today when compared to "1970 equivalent dollars."

CliffMcKenzie Loc: Lake Athens Texas

Larry, my fellow PPC member, I have an AE-1 if you need it. Also the club has members all up and down the line who might be of help as you direct. Jerry can even answer how much gun powder you need for a flash. PM or email me. Don't forget you have full access through PPC to its 200+ members. Cliff