I predict the Supreme Court will overturn the Colorado decision to remove Trump from the 2024 ballot (Page 3): Trump is truly disgusting and the worst, by far, president we have ever...

Caribou Loc: St. Louis, MO

travelwp wrote:

I predict the Supreme Court will overturn the Colorado decision to remove Trump from the 2024 ballot.

The Colorado action shows just how scared the Democrats are of Trump running for president.

Latest news on how scared the Biden's really are:

According to a Senior DC Law Enforcement Official, the Biden Department of Justice has been diverting extra FBI special agents to go after Trump, his staff and his supporters.

I predict that Trump will be president again.

Trump is truly disgusting and the worst, by far, president we have ever had. He destroyed our nearly 250 year tradition of a peaceful transition of power. He's sick and the malignancy has spread to the Republican party. But I hope SCOTUS overturns that decision. The decision to elect or not elect belongs in the voters hands. Of course, Trump and his cult believe that the only fair election is the one he wins.

jcboy3

papakatz45 wrote:

I do not need to read anything. Until a jurisdiction charges someone with insurrection, there was no insurrection. If someone is charged then, and only then, will agree there was an insurrection. Legal experts smarter in the law than you or me including liberal prosecutors, say no insurrection.

Charging or conviction for insurrection is not required for application of the 14th Amendment. And application can be done via civil suit.

Read this:

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10569

FrumCA

Caribou wrote:

Trump is truly disgusting and the worst, by far, president we have ever had. He destroyed our nearly 250 year tradition of a peaceful transition of power. He's sick and the malignancy has spread to the Republican party. But I hope SCOTUS overturns that decision. The decision to elect or not elect belongs in the voters hands. Of course, Trump and his cult believe that the only fair election is the one he wins.

To say that Trump's malignancy has spread to the Republican party is overly generalized and offensive to the many Republicans, moderates, and others who do not support him but still live by and support conservative values.

Triple G

FrumCA wrote:

To say that Trump's malignancy has spread to the Republican party is overly generalized and offensive to the many Republicans, moderates, and others who do not support him but still live by and support conservative values.

What the heck are they anymore. Every time I hear a conservative suggest less government, working with democrats, or more state authority, I hear other conservatives call them RINOs.

papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach

National Park wrote:

There once was a teacher who asked a student to define ignorance. The student responded, "I don't know, and I don't care." Read! You may learn something.

Do you acknowledge that no one has been charged with insurrection?

National Park

papakatz45 wrote:

Do you acknowledge that no one has been charged with insurrection?

Yes. Read my posts.

jcboy3

Caribou wrote:

Trump is truly disgusting and the worst, by far, president we have ever had. He destroyed our nearly 250 year tradition of a peaceful transition of power. He's sick and the malignancy has spread to the Republican party. But I hope SCOTUS overturns that decision. The decision to elect or not elect belongs in the voters hands. Of course, Trump and his cult believe that the only fair election is the one he wins.

I figure SCOTUS will overturn the decision, but I do think they should go further and apply the 14th Amendment and rule that he is disqualified from holding office of any sort. If the courts are going to uphold the 14th Amendment, then that is exactly where the decision should lie. Because the decision is not "in the voters hands", it is in the electoral college hands, and that does not represent the majority of voters,

Triple G

jcboy3 wrote:

I figure SCOTUS will overturn the decision, but I do think they should go further and apply the 14th Amendment and rule that he is disqualified from holding office of any sort. If the courts are going to uphold the 14th Amendment, then that is exactly where the decision should lie. Because the decision is not "in the voters hands", it is in the electoral college hands, and that does not represent the majority of voters,

Interesting events. Historical consequences.

Caribou Loc: St. Louis, MO

FrumCA wrote:

To say that Trump's malignancy has spread to the Republican party is overly generalized and offensive to the many Republicans, moderates, and others who do not support him but still live by and support conservative values.

I've been a conservative for 60 years. I also believe in integrity and principles and decency. What I see is that when Trump speaks his ugly nonsense the entire party seems to jump in behind him. It's no doubt out of fear of him and his base. I'd call that malignancy. There have been and still are some good Republican candidates but who is dominating the primary races?

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

papakatz45 wrote:

I do not need to read anything. Until a jurisdiction charges someone with insurrection, there was no insurrection. If someone is charged then, and only then, will agree there was an insurrection. Legal experts smarter in the law than you or me including liberal prosecutors, say no insurrection.

Agreed, but not only charged the AG has to sustain their burden of proof and get a conviction. Until then, legally, no insurrection period!

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

Effate wrote:

Agreed, but not only charged the AG has to sustain their burden of proof and get a conviction. Until then, legally, no insurrection period!

An insurrection is an event in and of itself. It does not need someone to be charged in order to define the event. It is defined by the activities that took place on J6.

Participation in, or support of, the event are sufficient grounds to ban Trump from the ballot.

Triple G

Effate wrote:

Agreed, but not only charged the AG has to sustain their burden of proof and get a conviction. Until then, legally, no insurrection period!

That's Jack Smith's case which is different from the CO and other state cases on 14A.

Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

JohnFrim wrote:

An insurrection is an event in and of itself. It does not need someone to be charged in order to define the event. It is defined by the activities that took place on J6.

Participation in, or support of, the event are sufficient grounds to ban Trump from the ballot.

You did not read what I said. I said legally, you know due process, that whole 14th amendment thing. It must be adjudicated with a guilty finding.

Vladimir200 Loc: Beaumont, Ca.

National Park wrote:

The Colorado Supreme Court decision finding that T... (show quote)

I agree with National Park's first paragraph. SCOTUS will hear the case and will reverse primarily bec no "court" has adjudicated Trump as an insurrectionist, i.e. this is simply the C Court's "opinion". Secondly, as to #1 above, no, every ballot in the nation would not be affected but the other states would be emboldened by SCOTUS upholding Colorado's decision. Ah, the beat goes on.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

Effate wrote:

You did not read what I said. I said legally, you know due process, that whole 14th amendment thing. It must be adjudicated with a guilty finding.

And you did not read what I wrote. Declaring J6 an insurrection does not require anyone to charged as such. What happened on J6 is an insurrection by definition... in the view of some lawyers, but maybe not in the view of others.

But that does not matter. The CO court decided it was an insurrection and applied the 14A.

SCOTUS can debate whether the CO court followed proper procedure and had the authority to give and enforce their ruling. And SCOTUS could decide to define J6 as an insurrection or not.

But it has nothing to do with Trump or anyone else being charged. He incited, encourage, participated (at the rally), and gave support to others who actually did enter the Capitol.