CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

No one cares if the editing is non destructive, using side car files. No one. You have not discovered some new form of a wheel. Rather, you've discovered a loaded gun you're pointing directly at your own foot. That's what everyone is telling you.

jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania

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I really don't think editing photos on the SD card is a very good idea.

RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL

Thanks BigDaddy for your clear explanation of how editing is performed and saved...for sure it's a clarification for all of us.
This DxO editing procedure is non-distructive to the original files...they're still on the card. A new .dxo file with edits is created and saved on the card along side the original file, (until the card is reformatted). I haven't seen this "save edit to card" option on other PP software I've used. If someone has...please tell me about this overlook feature...thanks

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

No one else would think to offer an unprotected trip to the Red Light District to their valued customers ...

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

But can you explain to us why you think it's useful?

mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA

Destructive or non-destructive has no bearing on this workflow. That is not the issue even though you keep putting that up as a defense to your reasoning. Driving a Maserati at 95 mph down a residential street with no seat belt is non-destructive.... until it is. You might get away with it for a while, but eventually only bad things can happen.

photoman43

Thank you for the link. Robin at Lenscraft does very good training videos on lots of photo software programs. In looking at the video on Exporting files, I believe you are limited to three export types: Jpeg, Tiff and DNG. You cannot export a RAW file.

I will look into this in more detail at the online user guide for DXO PL7.

And I might try and do it as a test with an old card in a card reader.

CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska

The same work flow for me. After a shoot or vacation or walk in the woods, I don’t relax until the card is downloaded and backed up.

RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL

Well, I haven't seen this "save to card" option in Lightroom but will look for it.
When I open Lightroom; there are two bottons in the lower left screen IMPORT or EXPORT.
>IMPORT requires a SOURCE file (SD card) and a target LIBRARY FILE (required) where the imported files will be located.
>LR builds a "smart preview" upon import to the Library location
>LR Editing is perform on the flies in this location.
>Export files (saves the edits and previews) to the Library/storage location

DxO performs differently
>Image files (jpeg or raw) are opened in ram from the source, no previews built
>Edits are ram image; Exporting the file the returns a new/edited readable filenameDXO.jpg file (on the card or drive location. This refined file can be imported and further edited (if needed) with other PP software...that don't have plugins to DxO this program
>"Reset" button for Original File returns the image to per-edited state

Ok...now for (my reasons) why?
>The DxO software create better image (raw or jpeg) than any other software ( non-subscription version).
>DxO has an interface with the Nic Collection.
>Saving a well edited image/file to the card is strictly an option that I haven't seen on other PP software
>Opening the selected pre-edited images from the SD to other file management ) software seem a bit faster.
>Ok, I haven't used the Adobe Photoshop/Lightroom combo so I don't know how wonderful it is. I'm still using just LR 6.14 This new version of DxO 7 helps my old version of LR...just like other newer one.

RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL

OK....I'm sure I won't be the first person to experience a failed card. That's happened already...before this new procedure. The solution to that replace the card. That one-time experience taught me to keep a spare in my kit and ware my seat-belt. It's a scary moment when the file can't be written correctly or not at all. Good I'm not a professional

RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL

Yes...DxO is primarily a RAW file editor, converts raw to those other formats. It also ediits Jpeg very well.

RonDavis Loc: Chicago, IL

>This DxO 7 software program doesn’t require downloading to make edit changes….it open in jpeg or raw files in ram, preforms edits and saves the image to the card (or other source files) as a new .dxojpeg file that can be (subsequently) uploaded to Lightroom or other pp-file management programs as jpeg file for further editing or storage. I found this pre-edit capability intriguing.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

And really how much time is saved? Editing and saving to an SD card is much slower than your hard drive. Pretty much any software could edit files right on the card but I fail to see any advantage and I see many potential pitfalls.

photoman43

I have just read the Export section of DXO PL7 user guide. To access the guide section click on this link:

https://userguides.dxo.com/photolab/en/exporting-images/

It confirms what I thought: Yes you can export a processed file to a disk, but it has to be a Jpeg, Tiff or DNG. You cannot export a processed RAW file.

Here is a portion of the exact language in the guide. Note that the language may differ for Mac and PC users.

File formats and their constraints

Some image formats lose part of the file information to achieve a more compact size; these are referred to as lossy. Formats that keep all available information even while achieving a certain degree of compression are referred to as lossless.

JPEG is a lossy format, while TIFF and most RAW formats are considered lossless. DNG (Digital NeGative) is a format conceived by the Adobe software company to replace various RAW files with a universal standard. It’s important to recognize the distinctions between the variants of the DNG format — the “short” DNG, equivalent to proprietary RAW formats, and linear DNG, a demosaiced file that retains most of the possibilities and advantages of RAW files when processing them.

The following table shows the possible relationships between input and output formats:

Input image format Available export format

JPEG JPEG, TIFF (8-bit)
TIFF TIFF (8 or 16-bit, depending on the input image)
RAW JPEG, TIFF (8 or 16-bit), linear DNG
DNG JPEG, TIFF (8 or 16-bit), linear DNG
Linear DNG JPEG, TIFF (8 or 16-bit), linear DNG

Export to disk options

Export (PC): Right column displays the selected export option on the left, and offers the following options:
Action: The menu lets you choose an export format, which reveals their associated tools:
Export as JPEG: the Quality slider, set to 90 by default, lets you adjust the compression level of JPEG files (on a scale of 10 to 100). You can also enter the value in the window on the right, or scroll through the values by clicking on the small arrows.

Export as TIFF : In the Quality menu you have the choice between 8-bit, 8-bit compressed, and 16-bit.
Export as DNG (all corrections applied): Images are exported as linear DNG files, and include all the corrections made in DxO PhotoLab.

Export as DNG (denoise & optical corrections only): Images are exported as linear DNG files and include just the corrections made via the DxO optics module and DxO Denoising Technologies subpalette, whether you have made other corrections or not. This export mode is especially suitable if you process your images in other software (such as in the workflow for Lightroom Classic).

Process in (Mac): The right-hand column displays the selected export option, and offers the following settings:
Action: The menu lets you choose an export format, which reveals their associated tools:
Export as JPEG: the Quality slider, set to 90 by default, lets you adjust the compression level of JPEG files (on a scale of 10 to 100). You can also enter the value in the window on the right, or scroll through the values by clicking on the small arrows.

Export as TIFF: In the Quality menu you have the choice between 8-bit, 8-bit compressed, and 16-bit.
Export as DNG (all corrections applied): Images are exported as linear DNG files, and include all the corrections made in DxO PhotoLab.

Export as DNG (denoise & optical corrections only): Images are exported as linear DNG files and include just the corrections made via the DxO optics module and DxO Denoising Technologies subpalette, whether you have made other corrections or not. This export mode is especially suitable if you process your images in other software (such as in the workflow for Lightroom Classic).

Destination (PC): By default, the destination folder is the same as the original image (source image) folder. The options are shown in the Destination drop-down menu. If you select the Custom Folderoption a dialog box opens and an additional Path field appears. This lets you pick or create a folder on your hard drive.

Note that the pathway can be either absolute (for example “C:Photos DxO PhotoLab output”) or relative (DxO PhotoLab output). In the first case, all the images will be saved in one single destination folder, even if the source images come from several different folders. In the second case, the images will be saved in a sub-folder within the source folder, which will allow you to keep the corrected images close to the originals. In this situation, there will be as many sub-folders created as there are source folders.

Destination (Mac): By default, the destination folder is the same as the original image (source image) folder. The options are shown in the Folder drop-down menu. If you select the Custom Folderoption, a dialog box opens for you to choose, or create, a folder on your hard drive. The selected folder will be displayed in the Folder field. You can create a subdirectory (subfolder) inside the destination folder at any time; To do this, just enter the name in the Subdirectory field.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

The point is you keep going on about how great this feature is without anything to back your assertion. When an SD card is in the reader your computer just sees it as a storage location. Any software can write to whatever location you tell it to. You could even use the “Add” mode in Lightroom to import those images and they would still be on the card. Of course it wouldn’t be a good idea because once you removed the card it wouldn’t be able to find them. Nobody here is saying that doing edits in DXO before importing is a problem, just that doing it on the card offers no advantages and potentially opens Pandora’s Box. A better approach would be copy the images to a folder on your hard drive and do your editing there instead of directly on the SD card.
Personally if I’m out shooting wildlife I might come home with 2000 images. I might not even have a chance to cull those images before I go out and shoot again. I need my card downloaded and backed up before I go shoot again. Culling is always the first step after download and I can’t imagine culling from the card.