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Dec 2, 2023 18:20:50   #
alvin3232 Loc: Houston, TX
 
Advice
I would not do upgrades and I would say that before doing any upgrades.
1. Make sure that your hardware devices would support the new OS
2. Perform and do a backup of all your data
3. Do a clean install

Al

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Dec 2, 2023 18:22:00   #
gouldopfl
 
You can control that. I hate one drive so I don't login. I haven't had a Hotmail account in 10 years. I never put my photos into the picture directory and that allows me to control what goes where.

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Dec 2, 2023 20:10:16   #
JacksonHD Loc: NorCal
 
bobmcculloch wrote:
I'd be on the Linux band wagon except for one item, my choice of photo processing program is PSP and is not available except in Windows configuration, and I do not have the expertise or budget for an extra computer to experiment with emulators to get it to run under Linux, if I cannot upgrade this machine to Win11 I may give it a try in the future.


It's not all that hard to add Linux to an existing Windows machine, then set it up to dual-boot. You can activate Windows to do your photo processing, then close and open Linux for other functions including web browsing. I set up a Win 7 laptop that way and turned off wifi in windows. That way wifi turns on automatically in Linux and off in Windows, protecting your machine when using an expired Windows with no security updates. You have to manually set up your drives so that Linux can access you Windows files. If you google Linux dual boot you can find plenty of info. You can also use Wine to run Windows programs on Linux, but that didn't work that well for me.
Might be worth a try.

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Dec 2, 2023 20:15:03   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
Thanks... I'll take a look at that...

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Dec 2, 2023 20:36:09   #
gouldopfl
 
Linux is much more stable than any other system that had have programmed with. I love the ability to build containers and run both Linux and Windows. In Windows, you can now run Linux directly on Windows, however there is no UI. I have tried to use Ubuntu but unless I want to use the command line it isn't worth the effort

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Dec 2, 2023 20:48:01   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
thanks

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Dec 2, 2023 22:39:59   #
davelissa Loc: Houston
 
TriX wrote:
I will just comment that when I installed Win 11 on a new platform, it enabled OneDrive by default and stored everything (including the desktop and Outlook .pst data files) there by default until I noticed and remedied the situation.

BTW, I’m not one of those “anti-cloud” guys, but I use Amazon S3 for DR and I dislike the implementation of OneDrive. Other than that, no issues in migrating from 10 to 11 on any of my machines or running 11.


Understood.

About OneDrive on by default, that's so weird - are you using the standard version of Windows, by any chance? All I've ever used are the Pro versions, so wondering whether that's the difference. What happens if you uninstall OneDrive?

Also, be careful about saving your .psts in OneDrive. If it's connected to Outlook and "live", OneDrive won't back it up. One of my clients found that out the hard way!

I do agree that OneDrive is messed up, especially the naming convention (OneDrive for Business, etc.). I wish Microsoft had just made it something you can install if you want to.

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Dec 2, 2023 22:41:00   #
davelissa Loc: Houston
 
JacksonHD wrote:
It's not all that hard to add Linux to an existing Windows machine, then set it up to dual-boot. You can activate Windows to do your photo processing, then close and open Linux for other functions including web browsing. I set up a Win 7 laptop that way and turned off wifi in windows. That way wifi turns on automatically in Linux and off in Windows, protecting your machine when using an expired Windows with no security updates. You have to manually set up your drives so that Linux can access you Windows files. If you google Linux dual boot you can find plenty of info. You can also use Wine to run Windows programs on Linux, but that didn't work that well for me.
Might be worth a try.
It's not all that hard to add Linux to an existing... (show quote)


Personally, I use VirtualBox - easier to handle.

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Dec 2, 2023 23:06:56   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
jlg1000 wrote:
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back to a motherboard failure, I decided to upgrade my main computer.

So I purchased a brand new i9-13900K CPU, a good Gigabyte B760 motherboard, a couple of 2TG SSD's, a couple of 40TB HDD's , a 4090 GPU, 128 GB DDR5 RAM and 1 KW PSU for good measure.

Because of the amount of purchase, my supplier tossed in a Windows 11 license for free.

Reluctant, after building my system and playing around with that pesky Windows 11 sticker, I decided to give it a try.

What a rubbish!

Bad, really bad user interface if you need many programs for work. No way to organize, change, customize, no nothing. I had to purchase "Start11" ap to make it almost as usable as Windows 10.

It does nasty things to the files. Without asking: for example: I copied all my photos and videos to the E: drive (the 40 TB's HDD's configured as RAID) ... the next morning I had a "no sapce left on drive" error on the C: drive. What had happened? Windows decided that photos should be backed up in OneDrive, so it moved everything to C:\Users \<my_user>\Onedrive\Pictures **without asking **

As I tried to move them back, Windows 11 refused with a stupid error message stating that it was an amovible linkl included. ** I HAD TO MANUALLY SHUT DOWN ONE DRIVE, AND PERFORM A REGISTRY TRICK TO BRING ALL THE FILES BACK TO WHERE THEY BELONG**

After that, Windows complained that there was a Backup error, every time I accessed the folder. So I killed OneDrive altogether and deleted it from disk (after another PoweShell+Registry hack)

Windows 11 came with Copilot installed and activated (It's a MS rebranding of ChatGPT ), so I asked this question to the bot: "Why is Windows 11 so bad?"

And this was it sincere answer:

Windows 11 is the latest operating system from Microsoft, released on October 5, 2021. It has been praised for its clean design and improved performance, but it has also received a lot of criticism from users who are unhappy with some of its features and limitations. Some of the reasons why Windows 11 is so bad are:

High hardware requirements: Windows 11 demands some minimum hardware requirements that many current computers do not meet, such as a 64-bit processor with at least two cores and 1 GHz of frequency, 4 GB of RAM, 64 GB of storage space, a graphics card compatible with DirectX 12 and a TPM 2.0 security module. These requirements exclude many old or low-end devices that work perfectly with Windows 10, and force users to buy a new PC or stick with the previous system12.
Performance and compatibility issues: Windows 11 has arrived with several bugs and errors that affect the performance and compatibility of the devices that install it. For example, a performance loss has been detected in AMD Ryzen processors, which is due to a problem with the power plan of Windows 112. There have also been problems with printers, which stop working or give errors when printing2. In addition, some applications and games do not work properly or simply do not run on Windows 11, such as some Android emulators3.
Changes in the interface and functions: Windows 11 has introduced some changes in the interface and functions that nobody asked for and that make the user experience worse. For example, the taskbar is less customizable and functional, the context menus are inconsistent and cluttered, the default apps settings are complicated and tedious, and the Microsoft account is mandatory to use the system124.
These are some of the main complaints that users have about Windows 11. However, there may be more issues that have not been discovered or reported yet. Windows 11 is still a new and unfinished system, and it may improve over time with updates and fixes. However, for now, many users prefer to stay with Windows 10 or look for alternatives.


*** BOTTOM LINE ***

For or those folks which are asking about upgrading to Windows 11, ** DO NOT DARE TO **

Beware, I found many more problems as the one described above.

End of the experiment. I'll be throwing Windows 11 away... together with Windows 95, Vista and Windows 8.

All in all I'm a Linux sysadmin and developer, I don't need to go through this s**t.
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back ... (show quote)


"Why is Windows 11 so bad?"

"Because Microsoft has no taste." — (Ghost of) Steve Jobs.

I used both Windows and MacOS from 1986 to 2012, daily. I used as many apps on MacOS as possible, because it felt more comfortable to me. I used DOS, and then Windows, because it was a corporate standard for some really necessary, but functionally awful, applications. So I feel your pain.

My wife has to use a really expensive HP laptop at work. She stuck an Apple sticker over the HP logo in protest.

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Dec 3, 2023 00:39:13   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
davelissa wrote:
Understood.

About OneDrive on by default, that's so weird - are you using the standard version of Windows, by any chance? All I've ever used are the Pro versions, so wondering whether that's the difference. What happens if you uninstall OneDrive?

Also, be careful about saving your .psts in OneDrive. If it's connected to Outlook and "live", OneDrive won't back it up. One of my clients found that out the hard way!

I do agree that OneDrive is messed up, especially the naming convention (OneDrive for Business, etc.). I wish Microsoft had just made it something you can install if you want to.
Understood. br br About OneDrive on by default, t... (show quote)


It is Win 11 Pro on the machine I’m referring to and a clean install on a new machine. I was busy sorting out other things like installing aps, copying over data and provisioning printers and scanner peripherals, and didn’t notice it was using One Drive for new files and desktop as well as storing my Outlook .pst files. I did successfully uninstall OneDrive (with some difficulty) and moved all the data back where I wanted it, but there were casualties in Office - such as losing the “recently opened files” in PPT, Excel and Word (which I often rely on) as well as making a mess of Outllook.

A company I consult for uses One Drive and SharePoint, which I despise. The file naming conventions are a mess and you’re never quite sure where a file actually resides unless OneDrive has just been synced. One of my machines in Linux based, and I run Windows in a VM. From the benchmarking I’ve done, I take about a 5% performance hit running it in a VM as opposed to native. BTW, there are actually OSs with virtualization built in without a performance penalty like VMWare - new versions of Solaris being one (yes, Solaris is still alive and well as is SPARC.)

No worries on backing up .pst files (or anything else) - I back up to a separate local machine on the local network and to Amazon S3 for DR. I also implement VSS (volume shadow copy) for point in time snapshots of the FS as well as restore points for the OS.

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Dec 3, 2023 00:55:45   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
Longshadow wrote:
I despise computer created directories that IT thinks files should reside.....
I put Photos and Downloads off the root. Why drill down for everything.....
I set the default save location for my browsers to the directory I want it to use, as well as set "Ask where to store" so I have the option to use a different directory.
I left Documents under User though, I think a lot of programs expect them there.
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It is my computer. I am the sole user. I never but never accept the default locations for user data files without a defensible reason. And the only reason is I have no further use for them. Program files like plugins, presets and version history usually are candidates for accepting defaults.

I never use “Pictures” for my photo files that I own the copyright. I happen to use LrC for management of all photo stuff and I now place its Master Folder and catalog files on dedicated drives. That is a one time setting so not a big challenge to set this up. (I’m not recommending LrC just saying that is what I do.)

Much of the complication of Windows is because it is a multi user OS for Enterprise use. Apple doesn’t choose to serve that market and Linux was prevalent in certain application specific work stations. So the OS is often not the tail that wags the dog.

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Dec 3, 2023 01:24:16   #
Laramie Loc: Tempe
 
Since OneDrive became available, the first thing I do on any new PC is to disable OD, then go through apps in Settings to remove any little programs I have no need for. My only issue with 11 is that I cannot make a new toolbar for my portable apps.

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Dec 3, 2023 01:56:51   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
Burk... "She stuck an Apple sticker over the HP logo in protest." Being from the other camp... I did it one better... With my ASUS Zenbook Pro, I did a transparent label with a puckered ring on it with an expletive label under it to reflect my feelings about Apple computers... When I gave the laptop to my grand daughter, I removed the 'stikky'.

Dik

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Dec 3, 2023 02:23:53   #
davelissa Loc: Houston
 
TriX wrote:
It is Win 11 Pro on the machine I’m referring to I did successfully uninstall OneDrive (with some difficulty) and moved all the data back where I wanted it, but there were casualties in Office - such as losing the “recently opened files” in PPT, Excel and Word (which I often rely on) as well as making a mess of Outllook.

A company I consult for uses One Drive and SharePoint, which I despise. The file naming conventions are a mess and you’re never quite sure where a file actually resides unless OneDrive has just been synced. One of my machines in Linux based, and I run Windows in a VM. From the benchmarking I’ve done, I take about a 5% performance hit running it in a VM as opposed to native. BTW, there are actually OSs with virtualization built in without a performance penalty like VMWare - new versions of Solaris being one (yes, Solaris is still alive and well as is SPARC.)

No worries on backing up .pst files (or anything else) - I back up to a separate local machine on the local network and to Amazon S3 for DR. I also implement VSS (volume shadow copy) for point in time snapshots of the FS as well as restore points for the OS.
It is Win 11 Pro on the machine I’m referring to I... (show quote)


Interesting. I'm still puzzled why OneDrive would move your documents and other data. Are you using a Microsoft or O365 account and your OneDrive is logging into it? If so, , there is the option is to back up your data on the cloud, and if you chose On Demand, it will disappear from the HDD. That would explain why the data is missing.

Most machines that I bring up, I just uninstall OneDrive using simple add/remove (unless the client has an O365 account and is using OneDrive for Business).

Personally, I use OneDrive for work only; at home, I have a TrueNAS server and I use SyncBack to back up my data.

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Dec 3, 2023 05:16:58   #
chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand
 
I have a procedure that I go through on any new Win 11 install. It removes or changes a number of settings to make it more how I want to use it. One of the first things I do is to NOT let it create a Microsoft login. Another is to remove that OneDrive crap. If I wanted MS's default settings I want to be able to select them myself and not have MS make them for me as their default.

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