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Dec 1, 2023 23:34:15   #
Orphoto Loc: Oregon
 
Very well, here is the original image edited in ACR. Only change was in the HSL panel, dropped saturation of yellow only, to -50. This was a 2 minute job.



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Dec 1, 2023 23:46:57   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
Orphoto wrote:
Very well, here is the original image edited in ACR. Only change was in the HSL panel, dropped saturation of yellow only, to -50. This was a 2 minute job.


Thanks a lot.

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Dec 2, 2023 05:55:31   #
R.G. Loc: Scotland
 
HSL plus WB adjustments plus some brushwork.
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Dec 2, 2023 10:16:23   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
Jules, I can’t offer any thoughts beyond what others have suggested. I just felt compelled to write that “your post and the helpful replies” are the reason I visit UHH every morning. Well done to all! Good luck!

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Dec 2, 2023 10:21:54   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I am going to agree with the gentleman who suggested a custom WB. All incandescent lights are not the same but they all tend to exacerbate a yellow cast.
If you shoot under fluorescent light then you are going to have a serious problem.

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Dec 2, 2023 11:05:30   #
GLSmith Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
From the submitted images, it appears these were taken inside a gymnasium (I.E. Basketball Court). A couple of things that pop into my mind...The lighting provided; were the lights florescent (Tungsten 3200K) or the much nastier sodium vapor type (No true WB setting as it is partially monochromatic ability to distinguish red vs green but not blue from black), or even possibly LED?
Was your White Balance set to "Automatic" where the camera makes a best case guesstimate, or was the WB set to manual
I'd also look at the distance from focal point to the subject

We are also ones worst critic

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Dec 2, 2023 11:55:14   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
larryepage wrote:
Preface and disclaimer--none of what follows is intended to be taken personally by anyone. This challenge is the result of shooting in a very difficult situation with very limited options.

Gymnasium lighting has for a long time typically been done with mercury vapor lighting. I am guessing that is the case here. It is very efficient and can quite easily achieve quite high brightness levels. The problem is that if you look at the light on a spectrograph, it's all made up of six very narrow lines of light...two each of orange, green, and violet. (Sort of like red, blue, and green, but not really.) The problem is that while the light looks sort of white (subjectively, at least), it's really not. The CRI of mercury vapor lamps ranges from about 17 (clear lamps) to somewhere around 49 (coated lamps, similar to fluorescent tubes). This limits the ability to do color correction, because much of the color that you might want to increase is simply not present. (By the way, low pressure sodium lamps have a CRI of around -44 (yes, that's negative 44), and high pressure sodium...the ones that make you think they're white...are around 24. They are essentially almost monochromatic yellow light sources.) Some gyms today are equipped with LED or other new-fangled lighting, but this is far from universal. It's expensive, and despite marketing claims, maintenance and replacement frequency is about the same as for the more traditional options.

I have found through experience that just about the best way to handle sodium lighting is to shoot in monochrome. Mercury vapor can usually be best handled by exposing for fluorescent and then leaving everything alone. What you would like to achieve is simply not there to be recovered. With apologies to each of those who have tried, I do not believe that the corrections offered provide improvement over the originals. They all seem (to me at least) to have something of a blue haze that I don't care for. Additionally, the skin tones do not seem natural (or healthy) and the colors in the clothing are less believable.

Of great importance here is for me to acknowledge that I was not present at the game. Like everyone else, I have no frame of reference of what might be correct. But to me, the original remains most pleasing and most believable.
Preface and disclaimer--none of what follows is in... (show quote)


Your comments on the spectra and CRI of various light sources are spot on.

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Dec 2, 2023 13:19:32   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Hopefully, those unfamiliar with the HSL tools will take note. Moving the tint between green and magenta and lowering the K temp, sometimes these tools are not enough. And instead, adjusting the brightness and / or saturation of specific colors is the expert tool needed to get the better (best) result.

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Dec 2, 2023 13:46:28   #
Juy Loc: Delaware
 
Great thread,some excelleny responses,many can learn from.

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Dec 2, 2023 16:39:38   #
Jules Karney Loc: Las Vegas, Nevada
 
Juy wrote:
Great thread,some excelleny responses,many can learn from.


Absolutely!!

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Dec 2, 2023 17:35:09   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
Jules Karney wrote:
I am having trouble with the white balance on Photoshop. Lots of yellow. Trying with the blue balance, etc. taking out the yellow. Still not right. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Jules


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When you are getting ready to start put a gray card in a shot. You can then use the gray card in the shot to remove any color cast. Then just copy the corrected color setting to all the other shots taken in the same light, and you should be good to go.

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Dec 2, 2023 23:24:39   #
btbg
 
Jules Karney wrote:
I am having trouble with the white balance on Photoshop. Lots of yellow. Trying with the blue balance, etc. taking out the yellow. Still not right. Any suggestions will be appreciated.

Jules


Jules,
I think this is what you want. I opened the photo in photoshop, then went to filter, camera raw. When camera raw opened I went to color and changed the white balance to auto.


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Dec 2, 2023 23:49:49   #
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Orphoto wrote:
Very well, here is the original image edited in ACR. Only change was in the HSL panel, dropped saturation of yellow only, to -50. This was a 2 minute job.

One of the bestest so far :-)

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Dec 3, 2023 01:06:15   #
Bruce T Loc: Michigan
 
If you are having problems with white balance, use an 18% gray card to get a custom balance set correctly.

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Dec 3, 2023 02:08:35   #
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Bruce T wrote:
If you are having problems with white balance, use an 18% gray card to get a custom balance set correctly.

Never read the thread before replying !
Never read the thread before replying !...
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