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Dec 2, 2023 11:20:16   #
rcarol
 
markngolf wrote:
I installed Win 10 Pro within 3 weeks of its original issue. Never had any issues. I did the same with Win 11 Pro in 2021. I have not experienced any issues with it. I only see minor differences between Win 10 & Win 11.
Mark


I'm with Mark, no issues to speak of.

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Dec 2, 2023 11:22:06   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Usual MS big bad wolf rant.

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Dec 2, 2023 11:33:41   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
bobmcculloch wrote:
I'm aware that the machine will run, really need to only have one machine on my desk, not an awful amount of room to have two set ups, currently trying to see if this machine has TPM that is not turned on, I see a reference to TPM 2.0 but health check doesn't see it.


This may help with enabling TPM:
How do I enable TPM in Windows 10 BIOS?
Solution
Restart your computer and enter the BIOS setup by pressing the appropriate key during startup. ...
Navigate to the Security or Advanced tab using the arrow keys.
Look for the TPM option and select it.
Choose the option to disable (or enable) the TPM.
Save your changes and exit the BIOS setup.
Restart your computer.

Just trying to help, Bob!!
Mark

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Dec 2, 2023 11:33:53   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
jlg1000 wrote:
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back to a motherboard failure, I decided to upgrade my main computer.

So I purchased a brand new i9-13900K CPU, a good Gigabyte B760 motherboard, a couple of 2TG SSD's, a couple of 40TB HDD's , a 4090 GPU, 128 GB DDR5 RAM and 1 KW PSU for good measure.

Because of the amount of purchase, my supplier tossed in a Windows 11 license for free.

Reluctant, after building my system and playing around with that pesky Windows 11 sticker, I decided to give it a try.

What a rubbish!

Bad, really bad user interface if you need many programs for work. No way to organize, change, customize, no nothing. I had to purchase "Start11" ap to make it almost as usable as Windows 10.

It does nasty things to the files. Without asking: for example: I copied all my photos and videos to the E: drive (the 40 TB's HDD's configured as RAID) ... the next morning I had a "no sapce left on drive" error on the C: drive. What had happened? Windows decided that photos should be backed up in OneDrive, so it moved everything to C:\Users \<my_user>\Onedrive\Pictures **without asking **

As I tried to move them back, Windows 11 refused with a stupid error message stating that it was an amovible linkl included. ** I HAD TO MANUALLY SHUT DOWN ONE DRIVE, AND PERFORM A REGISTRY TRICK TO BRING ALL THE FILES BACK TO WHERE THEY BELONG**

After that, Windows complained that there was a Backup error, every time I accessed the folder. So I killed OneDrive altogether and deleted it from disk (after another PoweShell+Registry hack)

Windows 11 came with Copilot installed and activated (It's a MS rebranding of ChatGPT ), so I asked this question to the bot: "Why is Windows 11 so bad?"

And this was it sincere answer:

Windows 11 is the latest operating system from Microsoft, released on October 5, 2021. It has been praised for its clean design and improved performance, but it has also received a lot of criticism from users who are unhappy with some of its features and limitations. Some of the reasons why Windows 11 is so bad are:

High hardware requirements: Windows 11 demands some minimum hardware requirements that many current computers do not meet, such as a 64-bit processor with at least two cores and 1 GHz of frequency, 4 GB of RAM, 64 GB of storage space, a graphics card compatible with DirectX 12 and a TPM 2.0 security module. These requirements exclude many old or low-end devices that work perfectly with Windows 10, and force users to buy a new PC or stick with the previous system12.
Performance and compatibility issues: Windows 11 has arrived with several bugs and errors that affect the performance and compatibility of the devices that install it. For example, a performance loss has been detected in AMD Ryzen processors, which is due to a problem with the power plan of Windows 112. There have also been problems with printers, which stop working or give errors when printing2. In addition, some applications and games do not work properly or simply do not run on Windows 11, such as some Android emulators3.
Changes in the interface and functions: Windows 11 has introduced some changes in the interface and functions that nobody asked for and that make the user experience worse. For example, the taskbar is less customizable and functional, the context menus are inconsistent and cluttered, the default apps settings are complicated and tedious, and the Microsoft account is mandatory to use the system124.
These are some of the main complaints that users have about Windows 11. However, there may be more issues that have not been discovered or reported yet. Windows 11 is still a new and unfinished system, and it may improve over time with updates and fixes. However, for now, many users prefer to stay with Windows 10 or look for alternatives.


*** BOTTOM LINE ***

For or those folks which are asking about upgrading to Windows 11, ** DO NOT DARE TO **

Beware, I found many more problems as the one described above.

End of the experiment. I'll be throwing Windows 11 away... together with Windows 95, Vista and Windows 8.

All in all I'm a Linux sysadmin and developer, I don't need to go through this s**t.
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back ... (show quote)

Before you go any further or store or transfer any data, remove OneDrive and change all paths to your preferred folder/drive, and that will alleviate the majority of the issues you describe. Although some like to work in a hybrid cloud environment and find it easy, my opinion is that OneDrive being enabled by default is the worst thing Microsoft has done since Windows 8. Once you remove all traces of OneDrive and direct your data to the place YOU choose (which is itself a PIA), I think you will find that Win11 is quite similar to 10 and slightly faster.

As for the “upgrade” requirements to move from 10 to11, that is a PIA, BUT your new machine meets them and there are workarounds for those that own machines (including myself) that don’t implement TPM. Plus, let’s not forget that the move from 7 to 10 and 10 to 11 have been free. Microsoft can see the future (which is the cloud), and OneDrive is their method of making revenue from storage fees instead of OS upgrades.

BTW, that is a nice machine you’ve assembled.

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Dec 2, 2023 11:54:19   #
azted Loc: Las Vegas, NV.
 
Longshadow wrote:
I have Win 11 Pro on the desktop, Win 11 Home on both laptops.
I never used Win 10, but a lot different than Win 7.
We have no problem with Win11 at all, but I did turn off One Drive use, it's such a pain in the butt and greatly clutters File Explorer.

I believe I removed Co-pilot also...


How do you turn off "One Drive?"

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Dec 2, 2023 11:58:58   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
radiojohn wrote:
IF you have a spare aging Windows PC, it is now easier than ever to install a 100% free OS with ton of 100% free apps, including "office" types and quite a few photo apps. Linux does not run Windows apps natively.

For non-enthuiasts, try EndlessOS. Install the basic version and then pick and choose the "flatpak" apps that install with a click. The "full" version has a lot of educational stuff for kids you my not want.

You could hand Endless to a new user and they might think it was Windows.

One click up is Fedora Workstation. Same apps, but a bit more responsive.
IF you have a spare aging Windows PC, it is now ea... (show quote)


Well the damn Windows 11 got my standard treatment... reformatted DISK0, installed Ubuntu 22.04 Server , installed gdm, installed VMWare Workstation, created three virtual computers on top of Ubuntu, two with Windows 10(*) and the third one with MacOS 10.11(**).

Now I run the show, not Microsoft nor Apple.

* to run my photo apps
** to emulate Apple environment, some of my customers insist on using that.

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Dec 2, 2023 12:20:48   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
jlg1000 wrote:
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back to a motherboard failure, I decided to upgrade my main computer.

So I purchased a brand new i9-13900K CPU, a good Gigabyte B760 motherboard, a couple of 2TG SSD's, a couple of 40TB HDD's , a 4090 GPU, 128 GB DDR5 RAM and 1 KW PSU for good measure.

Because of the amount of purchase, my supplier tossed in a Windows 11 license for free.

Reluctant, after building my system and playing around with that pesky Windows 11 sticker, I decided to give it a try.

What a rubbish!

Bad, really bad user interface if you need many programs for work. No way to organize, change, customize, no nothing. I had to purchase "Start11" ap to make it almost as usable as Windows 10.

It does nasty things to the files. Without asking: for example: I copied all my photos and videos to the E: drive (the 40 TB's HDD's configured as RAID) ... the next morning I had a "no sapce left on drive" error on the C: drive. What had happened? Windows decided that photos should be backed up in OneDrive, so it moved everything to C:\Users \<my_user>\Onedrive\Pictures **without asking **

As I tried to move them back, Windows 11 refused with a stupid error message stating that it was an amovible linkl included. ** I HAD TO MANUALLY SHUT DOWN ONE DRIVE, AND PERFORM A REGISTRY TRICK TO BRING ALL THE FILES BACK TO WHERE THEY BELONG**

After that, Windows complained that there was a Backup error, every time I accessed the folder. So I killed OneDrive altogether and deleted it from disk (after another PoweShell+Registry hack)

Windows 11 came with Copilot installed and activated (It's a MS rebranding of ChatGPT ), so I asked this question to the bot: "Why is Windows 11 so bad?"

And this was it sincere answer:

Windows 11 is the latest operating system from Microsoft, released on October 5, 2021. It has been praised for its clean design and improved performance, but it has also received a lot of criticism from users who are unhappy with some of its features and limitations. Some of the reasons why Windows 11 is so bad are:

High hardware requirements: Windows 11 demands some minimum hardware requirements that many current computers do not meet, such as a 64-bit processor with at least two cores and 1 GHz of frequency, 4 GB of RAM, 64 GB of storage space, a graphics card compatible with DirectX 12 and a TPM 2.0 security module. These requirements exclude many old or low-end devices that work perfectly with Windows 10, and force users to buy a new PC or stick with the previous system12.
Performance and compatibility issues: Windows 11 has arrived with several bugs and errors that affect the performance and compatibility of the devices that install it. For example, a performance loss has been detected in AMD Ryzen processors, which is due to a problem with the power plan of Windows 112. There have also been problems with printers, which stop working or give errors when printing2. In addition, some applications and games do not work properly or simply do not run on Windows 11, such as some Android emulators3.
Changes in the interface and functions: Windows 11 has introduced some changes in the interface and functions that nobody asked for and that make the user experience worse. For example, the taskbar is less customizable and functional, the context menus are inconsistent and cluttered, the default apps settings are complicated and tedious, and the Microsoft account is mandatory to use the system124.
These are some of the main complaints that users have about Windows 11. However, there may be more issues that have not been discovered or reported yet. Windows 11 is still a new and unfinished system, and it may improve over time with updates and fixes. However, for now, many users prefer to stay with Windows 10 or look for alternatives.


*** BOTTOM LINE ***

For or those folks which are asking about upgrading to Windows 11, ** DO NOT DARE TO **

Beware, I found many more problems as the one described above.

End of the experiment. I'll be throwing Windows 11 away... together with Windows 95, Vista and Windows 8.

All in all I'm a Linux sysadmin and developer, I don't need to go through this s**t.
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back ... (show quote)

I just ported an older Win 10 laptop to a new Win 11 laptop. Everything went well; however, I did have to reactivate MS Office 2010.

My only complaint is the inability to have my taskbar down the right side of the screen but I can live with that.

bwa

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Dec 2, 2023 12:29:29   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
jlg1000 wrote:
Well the damn Windows 11 got my standard treatment... reformatted DISK0, installed Ubuntu 22.04 Server , installed gdm, installed VMWare Workstation, created three virtual computers on top of Ubuntu, two with Windows 10(*) and the third one with MacOS 10.11(**).

Now I run the show, not Microsoft nor Apple.

* to run my photo apps
** to emulate Apple environment, some of my customers insist on using that.

Have you done any benchmarks to define the loss in performance of Win 10 running in a VM vs natively? I’d be interested to know that

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Dec 2, 2023 12:33:31   #
Dave H2
 
I bet the support for Win 10 will be extended substantially and/or Win 12 will be released before the expiration of Win 10.
D

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Dec 2, 2023 12:35:22   #
radiojohn
 
jlg1000 wrote:
Well the damn Windows 11 got my standard treatment... reformatted DISK0, installed Ubuntu 22.04 Server , installed gdm, installed VMWare Workstation, created three virtual computers on top of Ubuntu, two with Windows 10(*) and the third one with MacOS 10.11(**).

Now I run the show, not Microsoft nor Apple.

* to run my photo apps
** to emulate Apple environment, some of my customers insist on using that.


That's a bit past my level of handiness. However I had good results with EndlessOS and Fedora.

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Dec 2, 2023 12:46:01   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
markngolf wrote:
This may help with enabling TPM:
How do I enable TPM in Windows 10 BIOS?
Solution
Restart your computer and enter the BIOS setup by pressing the appropriate key during startup. ...
Navigate to the Security or Advanced tab using the arrow keys.
Look for the TPM option and select it.
Choose the option to disable (or enable) the TPM.
Save your changes and exit the BIOS setup.
Restart your computer.

Just trying to help, Bob!!
Mark


Just got PC Health check to run, had an optional update fail, says processor is not supported for WIn 11 at this time, guess I just have to hope windows changes the requirements.

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Dec 2, 2023 12:52:27   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
markngolf wrote:
I installed Win 10 Pro within 3 weeks of its original issue. Never had any issues. I did the same with Win 11 Pro in 2021. I have not experienced any issues with it. I only see minor differences between Win 10 & Win 11.
Mark

My experience as well. The exception is Win 11 was installed by Puget Systems who built a new machine for me.

It took me longer than it should have to work through adding the new machine to my network simply because I hadn’t done that for years and the razor sharp mind of the research scientist was dulled by age. That part of 11 Pro was totally identical to 10. The timing was about 2 years ago shortly after Intel released the 12th generation processors and both Puget Systems and The Lightroom Queen blessed the switch. The new machine was configured with a substantial increase in speed and quantity of RAM so I took the opportunity to manually move everything from the old to the new. Lightroom Classic was first and the easiest to transition to the new configuration. Although I use a utility called Vice Versa to copy files to the new configuration without fuss Win 11 has added tabs to explorer which would have been useful in this endeavor.

In whole Win 11 is solid with only changes to the look and feel which I don’t like because I’m old and hate change but I may get over it.

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Dec 2, 2023 12:54:33   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
"What a rubbish!"

Can your software run in Linux (I meant a Linux version)?

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Dec 2, 2023 13:03:49   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
bobmcculloch wrote:
Just got PC Health check to run, had an optional update fail, says processor is not supported for WIn 11 at this time, guess I just have to hope windows changes the requirements.


There are a number of work arounds - just Google “installing win 11 on a win 10 machine that fails requirements”

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Dec 2, 2023 13:10:36   #
bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY
 
TriX wrote:
There are a number of work arounds - just Google “installing win 11 on a win 10 machine that fails requirements”


Just might do that, had been considering making the machine a dual boot , just use Win 10 for photos and Linux for everything else.

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