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Nov 29, 2023 21:19:09   #
DRM Loc: NC
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
A few truisms of late 2023:

Never spend new money on old camera equipment, especially discontinued DSLRs.

An IBIS enabled mirrorless body is better than any DSLR.

The subscription Adobe software can handle every RAW file any past version of the software was able to support. The newest (ongoing) camera releases take anywhere for a few weeks to a few months to become fully supported for their RAW files in the next ongoing update to the subscription software.

The EF to RF adapter would allow you to use both EF-S and EF lenses into an EOS mirrorless body, where only your EF lenses are upwardly compatible to the EOS 6DII DSLR.

If budget limits your decision, a used DSLR is a viable alternative to a new MILC, but not if you need to replace EF-S lenses with EF lenses to make that full-frame move.

If your current lenses are mostly IS-enabled, the lack of IBIS in the EOS R10 might make that mirrorless body a viable option, staying at the crop-factor, giving you a step-up to a 24MP sensor. The slightly older EOS R and RP bodies give full-frame, more pixels, and again support for your EF and EF-S lenses, leveraging the lens IS for the missing IBIS.

The EOS R6 might be the logical full-frame, IBIS-enabled, MILC you're seeking, if within your price range, and along with the need for the EF-RF adapter.

In the EOS DSLR range, I'd only really consider that last and greatest EOS 5DIV. They're dropping into the sub $1500 range if you look around. Some lightly used copies will likely emerge here from the UHH community following the holidays, or even heavily discounted from Canon, and the online used resellers. EOS 5DIIIs, what I still shoot now after 9-years, are in the $800 range. It's a better camera than any of the EOS 6D bodies.
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Agree 100%. Select an EOS R-series body that meets your needs, plus an adapter, and enjoy benefits of eye detection and, potentially, in-body stabilization when shooting birds in flight.

Unless you go the refurb route, consider getting B&H's oddly-named Payboo card and save up to several hundred dollars in sales taxes--likely, enough to pay for the adapter.

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Nov 29, 2023 21:33:57   #
globetrekker Loc: Bend, OR
 
Comparing the R10 and R7, the biggest difference seems to be that the R7 has 32.5 Megapixel sensor resolution, vs 25.5 for the R10. And faster shutter speeds available on the R7. Are there any other significant differences? The R7 costs a lot more, but is still in my range. Especially if I went with refurbished. What about image stabilization? I don't understand Digital (Video Only) on the R10 vs Sensor Shift, 5-Axis on the R7. Thanks for any observations.

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Nov 29, 2023 21:37:37   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
globetrekker wrote:
Comparing the R10 and R7, the biggest difference seems to be that the R7 has 32.5 Megapixel sensor resolution, vs 25.5 for the R10. And faster shutter speeds available on the R7. Are there any other significant differences? The R7 costs a lot more, but is still in my range. What about image stabilization? I don't understand Digital (Video Only) on the R10 vs Sensor Shift, 5-Axis on the R7. Thanks for any observations.


You're paying for a lot of all-weather technology to get an R7, including IBIS. Beyond the pixel resolution, you're not going to 'see' much difference in the image results of an R7, unless you think paying more must make it better, a common UHH community sentiment. The cost is more about where and how you can use the camera. The R10 provides some support for video, not still photography.

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Nov 29, 2023 21:39:24   #
globetrekker Loc: Bend, OR
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You're paying for a lot of all-weather technology to get an R7, including IBIS. Beyond the pixel resolution, you're not going to 'see' much difference in the image results of an R7, unless you think paying more must make it better, a common UHH community sentiment. The cost is more about where and how you can use the camera. The R10 provides some support for video, not still photography.


Thank you, Paul. You have an amazing ability to explain and cut to the chase. So at this point I'm thinking R10 is the way to go for me.

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Nov 29, 2023 21:41:56   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
globetrekker wrote:
Thank you, Paul. You have an amazing ability to explain and cut to the chase. So at this point I'm thinking R10 is the way to go for me.


Hooray!

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Nov 29, 2023 23:05:44   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
globetrekker wrote:
So for birds, with my Canon 100-400, I'll get more focal length if I stick with a crop sensor, right? But I do want to get more into landscapes, so maybe that's an argument for FF.

Definitely thinking mirrorless though.


Yes, APSC will give you more "reach" for birds....

Serious landscapes are where full frame shines - but Tamron 16-300 is NOT a FF lens.....

Mirror less helps most people most with exposure.

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Nov 29, 2023 23:08:13   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
There is nothing deep down inside us that can't be fixed by a larger sensor.

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Nov 29, 2023 23:36:05   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Just a quick note on the EF to RF adapters. As you know by now, there are 3 versions - a “plain” adapter for $129, a control ring adapter for $199, and a drop in filter adapter for $299 (all prices may vary depending on the dealer or bundle). The upside of the control ring adapter is that you can assign a custom function to it - perhaps something like EC. The drop in filter adapter doesn’t have the control ring and if you buy drop in filters from Canon, they are pricey - the polarizer is $260 (on top of the $299 for the adapter). The upside is you only need one CP for all your EF lenses. On the other hand, on many lenses you still need a regular screw in filter to complete the weather sealing or protect the lens from hostile environments. There are also 3rd party drop in filters that are less expensive than Canon. Decisions, decisions…

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Nov 30, 2023 01:02:38   #
kcooke Loc: Alabama
 
globetrekker wrote:
Thanks for the tip. I assume refurbished bodies sold by Canon would be in excellent condition, right?


Yes my experience with Canon refurbished is they are excellent. Others here may have different experiences

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Nov 30, 2023 17:02:32   #
bigtoxy69 Loc: Grosse Tete louisana
 
globetrekker wrote:
Ahh "like new", good to know. Does a given model become available frequently? Or might one be waiting weeks or more for a specific model?


Well There's The Rub. Being it's Refurbished By Canon? You May Have Too Keep your eyes on the Website For Whichever Model body or Lens ect... your After !!! I was Fully Prepared to Buy Canon refurbished over New. when I Bought my 5DSR & 90D Problem was They only Had the 90 D. At the Time And The refurbished Discount wasn't as Big as it was On the 5DSR which was out of Stock ? so I Bought both new From the Same Vendor ! if Canon would have Had Both Cameras Refurb i could have saved $300.00.but I'm Happy with my Purchase !!! But Keep looking You never Know !!! Good luck And Hope you Find what you want for a Fair Price !!!

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Nov 30, 2023 17:12:19   #
kcooke Loc: Alabama
 
Canon has a notify me when available feature on their listings. This has helped me know when it’s in stock

bigtoxy69 wrote:
Well There's The Rub. Being it's Refurbished By Canon? You May Have Too Keep your eyes on the Website For Whichever Model body or Lens ect... your After !!! I was Fully Prepared to Buy Canon refurbished over New. when I Bought my 5DSR & 90D Problem was They only Had the 90 D. At the Time And The refurbished Discount wasn't as Big as it was On the 5DSR which was out of Stock ? so I Bought both new From the Same Vendor ! if Canon would have Had Both Cameras Refurb i could have saved $300.00.but I'm Happy with my Purchase !!! But Keep looking You never Know !!! Good luck And Hope you Find what you want for a Fair Price !!!
Well There's The Rub. Being it's Refurbished By Ca... (show quote)

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Dec 1, 2023 12:53:14   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
bigtoxy69 wrote:
Well There's The Rub. Being it's Refurbished By Canon? You May Have Too Keep your eyes on the Website For Whichever Model body or Lens ect... your After !!! I was Fully Prepared to Buy Canon refurbished over New. when I Bought my 5DSR & 90D Problem was They only Had the 90 D. At the Time And The refurbished Discount wasn't as Big as it was On the 5DSR which was out of Stock ? so I Bought both new From the Same Vendor ! if Canon would have Had Both Cameras Refurb i could have saved $300.00.but I'm Happy with my Purchase !!! But Keep looking You never Know !!! Good luck And Hope you Find what you want for a Fair Price !!!
Well There's The Rub. Being it's Refurbished By Ca... (show quote)


Did you buy direct from the Canon Store or a camera shop?
I buy my Canon Refurbished direct from the Canon Store.

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Dec 2, 2023 07:11:09   #
steve49 Loc: massachusetts
 
I had a 6D for 10 years and a year ago I bought an R62.
The 6D is a solid camera.
The R62 is infinitely better for shooting birds, not close.
The tracking on the 6D was marginal at best. The mirror less R62 tracking is vastly superior and the eyeball focus can't
Be beat.
My suggestion is to move to the new technology if yr making this step. It's worth it.
The camera is also quite a bit lighter as well. All pluses.

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Dec 27, 2023 21:04:52   #
globetrekker Loc: Bend, OR
 
Postscript: Today I ordered a refurbished EOS R10 from Canon. $479, which I think is a good deal because 2-3 weeks ago Canon was selling them for $599. And I ordered an adaptor from Amazon.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread, especially CHG_CANON. I learned a lot. I am looking forward to enjoying a mirrorless body and associated technical advances, all at a modest price so I'm not paying for features I don't need. It's a modest investment, so I'll be comfortable if I decide to upgrade again in a few years. It's been a good long run with my 60D (12 years), so it is definitely time to upgrade.

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Dec 28, 2023 14:41:18   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
globetrekker wrote:
Postscript: Today I ordered a refurbished EOS R10 from Canon. $479, which I think is a good deal because 2-3 weeks ago Canon was selling them for $599. And I ordered an adaptor from Amazon.

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread, especially CHG_CANON. I learned a lot. I am looking forward to enjoying a mirrorless body and associated technical advances, all at a modest price so I'm not paying for features I don't need. It's a modest investment, so I'll be comfortable if I decide to upgrade again in a few years. It's been a good long run with my 60D (12 years), so it is definitely time to upgrade.
Postscript: Today I ordered a refurbished EOS R10 ... (show quote)


Hooray!

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