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Nov 30, 2023 12:07:23   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Rick from NY wrote:
Unless you are completely unfamiliar with cameras, particularly in the Nikon environment, I would suggest that the operation of the Z8 isn’t really all that different from the Nikon Dslr’s. I found it pretty easy to step up from my Nikon dslr’s to my Z8, except (a BIG except) for the incredible (and incredibly different) auto focus capabilities. To begin to understand what the Z8 can do AF wise, I found Steve Perry’s ebook devoted solely to the AF function work every penny.

https://bcgwebstore.com/product/secrets-to-the-nikon-autofocus-system-mirrorless-edition/

Can’t recommend it enough. If you are not familiar with general use of Nikon bodies, you may need a more general primer, but you may still want that AF book to understand the intricacies of the 8’s amazing capabilities. I am intimately aware of basic Nikon camera design, but found figuring out how to max out the numerous AF variations to be impossible without the help.

BTW - ignore the suggestion about the free Nikon guide. It’s as useless as tits on a bull.
Unless you are completely unfamiliar with cameras,... (show quote)


I’ll have to disagree on the similarity to Nikon DSLR’s. Yes, they are similar in that they are cameras and things like setting aperture and CC shutter speed and ISO are pretty much the same. I could also say that my OM-1 is also similar.
The difference is that the Z8 will have a lot of options/features not available on a DSLR and the use of those features is not always intuitive.

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Nov 30, 2023 12:10:34   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
ColoPete wrote:
I second all of the good advice provided so far (especially about Steve Perry's videos and books which are great). I write to suggest one other source for setting up your Z8: Hudson Henry has two videos out, which I found very helpful in setting up my Z8 and especially the "banks" which are very useful if you shoot different types of subjects (e.g., wildlife, landscape, portraits, general, etc.). The first one is found here: https://youtu.be/4XlJnkRejuo?si=33R2jTe_AXtI-F5i. The second one is here: https://youtu.be/W31tyl8f3C8?si=5KoBiVqhS2e2BLGX. These allow the user to customize settings and get to them quickly. There is also a great deal of customization of buttons, etc., which can be confusing but add to its capabilities. The Z8 is an amazing beast, but it takes time and experience to learn all of its capabilities. I have had mine since June (came from a D850), shot thousands of images of all types, and am still learning. Good luck and have fun!
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Thanks, Pete. Good advice.

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Nov 30, 2023 12:21:36   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Here's the problem. I am very confident about knowing how to set up a camera. We could probably sit down together and do it together to your camera in about 30 minutes. 45 minutes maximum. The problem is that you would almost certainly hate it when we were finished because it would contain many, many of my personal biases.

Camera setup needs to occur organically. As you see something, or as you learn something, you need to understand it and then deal with it by making appropriate adjustments. There is no satisfactory instant gratification with a camera like the Z8. Even when you get things like you think you want them, they aren't going to be like you want them. That means that you need to know, really know, what your camera can do and how to make it do those things.

Certainly this doesn't have to happen all at once. But it needs to be happening all the time. You need the manual for that, not someone else's idea of the manual.

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Nov 30, 2023 13:07:49   #
Vince68 Loc: Wappingers Falls, NY
 
maxlieberman wrote:
Thanks. I do lots of wildlife, and I was wondering about Steve Perry.


I second the vote for Steve Perry's Z8/Z9 guide. And when he updates it, which he does when there are new firmware releases, they are free to you.

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Nov 30, 2023 14:53:15   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
larryepage wrote:
Here's the problem. I am very confident about knowing how to set up a camera. We could probably sit down together and do it together to your camera in about 30 minutes. 45 minutes maximum. The problem is that you would almost certainly hate it when we were finished because it would contain many, many of my personal biases.

Camera setup needs to occur organically. As you see something, or as you learn something, you need to understand it and then deal with it by making appropriate adjustments. There is no satisfactory instant gratification with a camera like the Z8. Even when you get things like you think you want them, they aren't going to be like you want them. That means that you need to know, really know, what your camera can do and how to make it do those things.

Certainly this doesn't have to happen all at once. But it needs to be happening all the time. You need the manual for that, not someone else's idea of the manual.
Here's the problem. I am very confident about know... (show quote)


Thank you. I have had barious Nikon digital cameras for years, and have always found third party books to be easier to understand and more comprehensive than Nikon's, which read like they were translated from Japanese rather than writtne in English by English speakers.

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Nov 30, 2023 14:53:37   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
Vince68 wrote:
I second the vote for Steve Perry's Z8/Z9 guide. And when he updates it, which he does when there are new firmware releases, they are free to you.


Thanks.

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Nov 30, 2023 15:16:31   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
jkm757 wrote:
I recommend the Nikon Z8/Z9 Wildlife Setup Guide by Steve Perry. Even if you don't do a lot of wildlife photography the guide contains lots of information on camera setup that is useful for more than just wildlife photography.

You can purchase his guide at https://backcountrygallery.com


Also the Perry guide to Nikon autofocus, Mirrorless edition, available from the same location, and priceless. I have both.

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Nov 30, 2023 15:17:56   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
terryMc wrote:
Also the Perry guide to Nikon autofocus, Mirrorless edition, available from the same location, and priceless. I have both.


I like his videos and have implemented some of his suggestions on my D7100 and D7500 so this is wheat I will most likely do

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Nov 30, 2023 15:40:24   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
larryepage wrote:
Here's the problem. I am very confident about knowing how to set up a camera. We could probably sit down together and do it together to your camera in about 30 minutes. 45 minutes maximum. The problem is that you would almost certainly hate it when we were finished because it would contain many, many of my personal biases.

Camera setup needs to occur organically. As you see something, or as you learn something, you need to understand it and then deal with it by making appropriate adjustments. There is no satisfactory instant gratification with a camera like the Z8. Even when you get things like you think you want them, they aren't going to be like you want them. That means that you need to know, really know, what your camera can do and how to make it do those things.

Certainly this doesn't have to happen all at once. But it needs to be happening all the time. You need the manual for that, not someone else's idea of the manual.
Here's the problem. I am very confident about know... (show quote)


While I agree that setup is a personal thing, (I recently watched a video for the OM-1, “the 5 settings to change on your OM-1”, I disagreed with 4 of them), I disagree that the user manual is the best way to achieve the right setup. I find in the good 3rd party guides they provide info on why you might want a setting a certain way and also which settings work well together and which don’t.

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Nov 30, 2023 15:44:48   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
While I agree that setup is a personal thing, (I recently watched a video for the OM-1, “the 5 settings to change on your OM-1”, I disagreed with 4 of them), I disagree that the user manual is the best way to achieve the right setup. I find in the good 3rd party guides they provide info on why you might want a setting a certain way and also which settings work well together and which don’t.


That is exactly why I am looking for a good third party book. Many of the suggestions are for ebooks. I am not interested in an ebook. Not withstanding that Steve Perry is probably the most knowledgeable Authority on how to set up and use Nikon digital cameras, I am old fashioned and want a book with a cover paper Pages a table of contents and an index. I want to be able to hold it in my hand and flip pages as I need to. I enjoy using my Kindle for fiction, but for serious reading and reference, I want an old-fashioned book.

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Nov 30, 2023 16:18:37   #
Wags Loc: Mequon, WI
 
I received my Z8 about 2 weeks. (Have been shooting the D500) Just some quick thoughts: Definitely watch Steve Perry’s YouTube videos’s-he has such great information. Another source for setup and general overview is the Youtube channel of Hudson Henry, I found him to be very helpful. Also, I am finding that shooting with the Z8 is certainly similar to my D500 in many ways, but in many ways quite different, especially in the numerous options of focusing. It’s just different from what I’m used to and takes some time to learn how to access the options and then apply them. But, I love the camera. I shoot a lot of indoor sports, and I have found the Z8 to be a great piece of equipment. Oh, and I am reading the entire reference guide.

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Nov 30, 2023 16:30:16   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
Wags wrote:
I received my Z8 about 2 weeks. (Have been shooting the D500) Just some quick thoughts: Definitely watch Steve Perry’s YouTube videos’s-he has such great information. Another source for setup and general overview is the Youtube channel of Hudson Henry, I found him to be very helpful. Also, I am finding that shooting with the Z8 is certainly similar to my D500 in many ways, but in many ways quite different, especially in the numerous options of focusing. It’s just different from what I’m used to and takes some time to learn how to access the options and then apply them. But, I love the camera. I shoot a lot of indoor sports, and I have found the Z8 to be a great piece of equipment. Oh, and I am reading the entire reference guide.
I received my Z8 about 2 weeks. (Have been shootin... (show quote)


Thank you. I definitely intend to watch some of those videos, which I have found to be very helpful in the past with respect to my other cameras. I'm really looking for a book that has real pages and not an ebook. I'm just more comfortable learning that way.

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Nov 30, 2023 19:46:39   #
Hemp Imagery
 
Rick from NY wrote:
Unless you are completely unfamiliar with cameras, particularly in the Nikon environment, I would suggest that the operation of the Z8 isn’t really all that different from the Nikon Dslr’s. I found it pretty easy to step up from my Nikon dslr’s to my Z8, except (a BIG except) for the incredible (and incredibly different) auto focus capabilities. To begin to understand what the Z8 can do AF wise, I found Steve Perry’s ebook devoted solely to the AF function work every penny.

https://bcgwebstore.com/product/secrets-to-the-nikon-autofocus-system-mirrorless-edition/

Can’t recommend it enough. If you are not familiar with general use of Nikon bodies, you may need a more general primer, but you may still want that AF book to understand the intricacies of the 8’s amazing capabilities. I am intimately aware of basic Nikon camera design, but found figuring out how to max out the numerous AF variations to be impossible without the help.

BTW - ignore the suggestion about the free Nikon guide. It’s as useless as tits on a bull.
Unless you are completely unfamiliar with cameras,... (show quote)


Owned the Z9 for 1+ years. Guess my bull, had teats ! ( but Nikon shooter, for 20+ years )

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Dec 1, 2023 00:17:41   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I’ll have to disagree on thte similarity to Nikon DSLR’s. Yes, they are similar in that they are cameras and things like setting aperture and CC shutter speed and ISO are pretty much the same. I could also say that my OM-1 is also similar.
The difference is that the Z8 will have a lot of options/features not available on a DSLR and the use of those features is not always intuitive.


...and I <shrug> totally agree with his assessment. I went from my D5 to the Z9 *almost* without a hiccup, mostly because I was very familiar with Nikon's menu system. In fact, all my upgrades since buying my D70s in '06, have been fairly easy because of said familiarity. Sure, there were aspects of each upgrade that needed to be mastered and me, being in the same place as our
OP, never really got into the esoteric nature of Nikon's literature. We all learn differently and I gravitate to trusted sources that have served me well for years...most of them on YouTube. Visual learners in general approach getting a working knowledge of something this way...through *seeing* how it's done, or really good written tracts that lay it out in an understandable manner. This is nothing against those who choose to dig in to the manual, not at all, but only to bring it forward that there are other ways of doing things. The Z9 to me was initially difficult to set up, so I found both Steve Perry and Hudson Henry to be super helpful...but I was out shooting with it hours after unpacking it, because I *could*! I'm now very intuitive operating the camera, but even so, with firmware updates and such, I tend to watch alot of vids...some not so helpful, some with a nugget or two, and some just badass. So, to each his or her own...and shoot 'til you can't do it anymore!

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Dec 1, 2023 05:23:20   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
If I was the owner of a Z8 my first step in learning the camera would be to download the Nikon guide for it. If a wildlife or action photographer there is no way I will miss Steve Perry's instructions on how to use the Nikon AF.
Rick is right, there are very good books available to learn the Z8 but that means extra money you have to pay. YouTube has plenty of videos from well known photographers talking about the camera. Google also offers lots of information.

In my case I never needed to buy a book to learn a camera I owned. The guide supplied by the manufacturer and my use of videos in YouTube have always been enough but that is me.

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