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Nov 30, 2023 10:29:34   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
larryepage wrote:
1. XQD cards are a "pre-standard" implementation of what became CFE Type B. Sort of a prototype, developed mostly by Sony and Nikon. The surviving market for them is in some non-Nikon cameras and some medical and scientific instrumentation. They will probably always be more expensive, even though less capable. Since you are not using video, the XQD cards would work fine, if you happen to find a great deal on them somewhere. Otherwise, I'd target CFE-B.
2. This was answered above. The two types off cards are physically different.
3. I do not compress my raw files (D850...haven't bought my Z8 yet), but find that 10 files/GB is a good way to make a safe, quick estimate.
4. Similarity of this camera to other Nikon cameras varies. I'm working to get one because it is fairly similar to my D850 and D500. It is less similar to the D750. If you really refuse to download and scan your way through the manual, I suggest sitting down and scrolling (actively) through the menus. Use the "?" button to learn about stuff. Paul and I disagree on a number of things, but he is absolutely correct about this one.
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Thank you very much for your guidance. Much appreciated.

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Nov 30, 2023 10:30:16   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
Real Nikon Lover wrote:
Agree. Steve Perry is always a good go to guy. His video style is also easy to watch on Youtube.


Thanks. I have watched alot of his videos, and they are useful.

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Nov 30, 2023 10:53:05   #
photoman43
 
maxlieberman wrote:
I just purchased a new Nikon Z8 from the Nikon Store. The little book that came with it is useless, so I have some questions. I won't be using it for videos.

1. The camera takes CFexpress and XQD cards. What's the difference?

2. When I went on line to price cards, I saw there were CFexpress-A and CFexpress-B cards. What's the difference? Will both work in the camera?

3. About how many still RAW images will fit on a 128gig card?

4. Can you recommend a good 3rd party instruction manual? Amazon offers several.

Thanks for your help.
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Please listen to and follow the advice you have received so far. I will repeat it to empathize its importance:

Download all of the free Nikon Z8 guides fron NionUSA. The Reference Guide is very important. Some of the other guides are more specialized and may help you.

https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/products/616/Z_8.html

Buy a third party guide. I have two for my Z9. Thom Hogan's and Steve Perry's. Thom Hogan's has an extensive info on how to use flash . That may be important to you.

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Nov 30, 2023 11:05:15   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
photoman43 wrote:
Please listen to and follow the advice you have received so far. I will repeat it to empathize its importance:

Download all of the free Nikon Z8 guides fron NionUSA. The Reference Guide is very important. Some of the other guides are more specialized and may help you.

https://downloadcenter.nikonimglib.com/en/products/616/Z_8.html

Buy a third party guide. I have two for my Z9. Thom Hogan's and Steve Perry's. Thom Hogan's has an extensive info on how to use flash . That may be important to you.
Please listen to and follow the advice you have re... (show quote)


Thanks for your advice. I think I'll get both. I really don't want to download the Nikon Reference Guide.

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Nov 30, 2023 11:10:07   #
ricardo00
 
Real Nikon Lover wrote:
Agree. Steve Perry is always a good go to guy. His video style is also easy to watch on Youtube.


For sure watch some of the free YouTubes on the Nikon Z8 (much better than the Nikon manual). For example, Steve Perry has several like this one (I am also a fan of Steve):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wxo10LQZUc

And by all means buy one of the ebooks for $30, you just paid $4,000 for your camera, don't you want to get the most out of it?

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Nov 30, 2023 11:14:07   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
ricardo00 wrote:
For sure watch some of the free YouTubes on the Nikon Z8 (much better than the Nikon manual). For example, Steve Perry has several like this one (I am also a fan of Steve):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wxo10LQZUc

And by all means buy one of the ebooks for $30, you just paid $4,000 for your camera, don't you want to get the most out of it?


I agree, and will watch this video. Thanks

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Nov 30, 2023 11:36:21   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
Rick from NY wrote:
Unless you are completely unfamiliar with cameras, particularly in the Nikon environment, I would suggest that the operation of the Z8 isn’t really all that different from the Nikon Dslr’s. I found it pretty easy to step up from my Nikon dslr’s to my Z8, except (a BIG except) for the incredible (and incredibly different) auto focus capabilities. To begin to understand what the Z8 can do AF wise, I found Steve Perry’s ebook devoted solely to the AF function work every penny.

https://bcgwebstore.com/product/secrets-to-the-nikon-autofocus-system-mirrorless-edition/

Can’t recommend it enough. If you are not familiar with general use of Nikon bodies, you may need a more general primer, but you may still want that AF book to understand the intricacies of the 8’s amazing capabilities. I am intimately aware of basic Nikon camera design, but found figuring out how to max out the numerous AF variations to be impossible without the help.

BTW - ignore the suggestion about the free Nikon guide. It’s as useless as tits on a bull.
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I agree. Steve is the best especially for Nikon and now Sony but useful for any brand just not sorting out the specific details. I am not an avid wildlife guy but I still buy some of his ebooks if only for the spectacular photos that illustrate in his books. His “wrong” illustrations are better than my best. If nothing else check out his site.

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Nov 30, 2023 11:37:56   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
Jack 13088 wrote:
I agree. Steve is the best especially for Nikon and now Sony but useful for any brand just not sorting out the specific details. I am not an avid wildlife guy but I still buy some of his ebooks if only for the spectacular photos that illustrate in his books. His “wrong” illustrations are better than my best. If nothing else check out his site.


Thanks, Jack

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Nov 30, 2023 11:48:17   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Orphoto wrote:
1- cf express uses one extra lane for data throughput and is faster. If you already have xqd they will work, but if buying go cfb, better and cheaper.

2- they are totally different beasts. "A" will not work. Period. Buy the "B" s.

3- file sizes should be roughly the same as for my d850. About 1200 per 128G card using raw compression at 14 bit.

4 - the nikon version is online only. I am a big fan of Thom Hogan's guides. Extremely thorough. Go to bythom.com.
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I’ll agree on Thom Hogan. Online is better because the Z9 guide is over 1200 pages. As for file sizes, the Z8 supports the NEF High Efficiency Raw format which saves considerable space over regular raw compression, approx. 32.6MB files instead of 51.6MB. If you opt for storage space priority over IQ priority it’s down to approx. 21.1MB.

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Nov 30, 2023 11:52:02   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I’ll agree on Thom Hogan. Online is better because the Z9 guide is over 1200 pages. As for file sizes, the Z8 supports the NEF High Efficiency Raw format which saves considerable space over regular raw compression, approx. 32.6MB files instead of 51.6MB. If you opt for storage space priority over IQ priority it’s down to approx. 21.1MB.


Thank you very muc.

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Nov 30, 2023 11:53:39   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
A photographer and their money are easily parted.... And, only a fool would refuse to download the free documentation for their expensive camera equipment.


I’m all for downloading the free OEM guide as a reference, but I also see value in a good 3rd party guide that explains features more in depth and conversationally than a dry guide that just tells you how to change the settings. A good 3rd party guide will discuss when and where you might want to use them and will offer guidance as to good setup ideas.

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Nov 30, 2023 11:54:27   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I’m all for downloading the free OEM guide as a reference, but I also see value in a good 3rd party guide that explains features more in depth and conversationally than a dry guide that just tells you how to change the settings. A good 3rd party guide will discuss when and where you might want to use them and will offer guidance as to good setup ideas.


Agreed. Thanks

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Nov 30, 2023 11:59:09   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
jkm757 wrote:
I recommend the Nikon Z8/Z9 Wildlife Setup Guide by Steve Perry. Even if you don't do a lot of wildlife photography the guide contains lots of information on camera setup that is useful for more than just wildlife photography.

You can purchase his guide at https://backcountrygallery.com


I will second this as a good setup guide but still look the Thom Hogan guide as a complete reference.
Also one thing I failed to mention earlier when I touted an digital guide over hardcopy is that, especially with newer cameras, there tend to be a lot of firmware updates and the digital guides are updated when new firmware updates come out.

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Nov 30, 2023 12:00:20   #
maxlieberman Loc: 19027
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I will second this as a good setup guide but still look the Thom Hogan guide as a complete reference.
Also one thing I failed to mention earlier when I touted an digital guide over hardcopy is that, especially with newer cameras, there tend to be a lot of firmware updates and the digital guides are updated when new firmware updates come out.


Thanks again

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Nov 30, 2023 12:04:35   #
ColoPete
 
I second all of the good advice provided so far (especially about Steve Perry's videos and books which are great). I write to suggest one other source for setting up your Z8: Hudson Henry has two videos out, which I found very helpful in setting up my Z8 and especially the "banks" which are very useful if you shoot different types of subjects (e.g., wildlife, landscape, portraits, general, etc.). The first one is found here: https://youtu.be/4XlJnkRejuo?si=33R2jTe_AXtI-F5i. The second one is here: https://youtu.be/W31tyl8f3C8?si=5KoBiVqhS2e2BLGX. These allow the user to customize settings and get to them quickly. There is also a great deal of customization of buttons, etc., which can be confusing but add to its capabilities. The Z8 is an amazing beast, but it takes time and experience to learn all of its capabilities. I have had mine since June (came from a D850), shot thousands of images of all types, and am still learning. Good luck and have fun!

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