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Nov 9, 2023 09:31:40   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
RichieC wrote:
"... [We are] a republic... if you can keep it" — September 17, 1787, Benjamin Franklin

If up to you, we would be a monarchy or a pure democracy which is just mob rule... All good if you are a member of the mob and short sighted.

Get over it.


Richard,
Please explain how a mona4rchy is mob rule.
Thank you.

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Nov 9, 2023 09:36:58   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Just because a larger number of people want something does that make their decision correct?
Dennis


To answer your question, ABSOLUTELY YES… if you believe in “democracy.”

Now, turn it around and tell me why you think that the MINORITY should be correct.

The ONLY WAY that a decision of “correctness” could be given to the MINORITY is if you had someone, or some body of people, who have that decision authority. And in a “democracy” who would have that authority, if not the MAJORITY?

PLEASE, PLEASE don’t say someone like Trump!!!!!!!

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Nov 9, 2023 10:01:48   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
[quote=JohnFrim]To answer your question, ABSOLUTELY YES… if you believe in “democracy.”

Now, turn it around and tell me why you think that the MINORITY should be correct.

The ONLY WAY that a decision of “correctness” could be given to the MINORITY is if you had someone, or some body of people, who have that decision authority. And in a “democracy” who would have that authority, if not the MAJORITY?

PLEASE, PLEASE don’t say someone like Trump!!!!!!![/quot

The folks on the right believe in minority rule, simply because they are the minority.
The fact that that flies in the face of a democracy means nothing to them, as like little children, they want their way.
It was only a couple of years ago that the GOP'RS and the MAGA'ts coined the phrase, "The Tyranny of the Minority. Suddenly, they reversed their opinion when they figured out that they were the minority.
Now, when I see some of the wingers on this site talk about "upholding the Constitution" with their guns, I wonder whose side they will be on if Trump gets elected President and puts the Insurrection Act in effect, using the Army against the people. Will our right-wing heroes step up to the plate to defend the Constitution? I truly doubt it, because that isn't what they want. Like ordering at BK, they simply want it their way.

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Nov 9, 2023 10:05:39   #
Triple G
 
dennis2146 wrote:
That is a complete lie and you know it. Right after Trump installed a number of Conservative SCOTUS Justices it was the Left, that would be YOU, who wanted to completely change the make up of SCOTUS to allow more Left Wing Justices. Please tell me this is not true so I can AGAIN call you a liar. Others will hopefully help me out here but it is the Left who wants to make changes to ensure their winning of elections. The Judge in Pennsylvania allowing mail in ballots to be submitted longer than was legally enacted is another example.

Now what were you saying about the MAGA-GOP party and changes? Do you on the lying corrupt Left even have any idea of the level of your corruption. Hell, with your party corruption you make Joe Biden with his criminal acts and corruption seem to be an angel.

Dennis
That is a complete lie and you know it. Right aft... (show quote)


Quite old news now!
https://apnews.com/article/a844f375bb86b012cfba0e67b3f77fb7

https://witf.org/2021/01/06/an-election-year-unlike-any-other-how-pennsylvanias-tumultuous-2020-election-unfolded/

Changes were made due to Covid--I doubt there will be a repeat of that.

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Nov 9, 2023 10:14:03   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
To answer your question, ABSOLUTELY YES… if you believe in “democracy.”

Now, turn it around and tell me why you think that the MINORITY should be correct.

The ONLY WAY that a decision of “correctness” could be given to the MINORITY is if you had someone, or some body of people, who have that decision authority. And in a “democracy” who would have that authority, if not the MAJORITY?

PLEASE, PLEASE don’t say someone like Trump!!!!!!!


I just love your ridiculous asinine comment regarding Trump. To you on the Left anything negative that happens to Trump is all well deserved and no matter how it might go against the fair principles of laws in America, no matter how much HE is singled out for whatever happens to him, legal or illegal, you all approve.

As any number of us has told you in the past, you refuse to believe, still insist the majority simply must be right. America is NOT a democracy as you continue to tell us due to your ignorance. America is a Democratic Republic. We operate on elected officials to speak for us.

Let's say a Republican speaker is able in Congress to speak better, more convincingly than a Democratic speaker. Votes then go to the Republican but does that necessarily mean he has the majority or perhaps the idea of the Democrat is a better choice. Lots of things come into play but you insist the majority must be correct. No matter how you slice it, that is not the way America works. Best you stick to your own shithole Socialist country since you love having lost your rights to allow idiots like Trudeau to do as he chooses.

I have brought up numerous times the ideas brought to us by the lying corrupt Left in order to divide America. These generally range in the area of men in women's locker rooms and rest rooms, drag queens reading to little children in order to indoctrinate those children that drag queens are normal, sex changes brought up to little children in grade school, the LGBTQ people having a week of national pride, their own flag and so on. Each of these things has been submitted ONLY by the Left. Each is designed to divide Americans as was anti police demonstrations, defund police ideas, letting violent criminals off the hook and so on. The Left is now the majority in America for the time being. Tell me John, do you personally accept and believe in each of these things I mentioned above? If you have granddaughters would you want a male walking into their rest room and showing off his penis to them. Normally and in the past that would be a form of child molestation/perversion, a criminal offense. But here in America now, according to the Left Wingers it is all a RIGHT of males to do just that. And you say?????

Dennis

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Nov 9, 2023 10:20:22   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 


Let me see here. So you are telling us that laws are allowed to be violated due to illness. It was technically illegal for the judge to rule as he did. Yet you accept that ruling because it helped YOUR cause. Isn't that correct?

Please tell me how Covid affected the mailing in of ballots. Then tell me why it SHOULD have had any effect at all. IF people were not able to get to the voting precinct, IF they were not able to post a ballot from home in due time then they, generally speaking did not get to have their votes counted. There is a reason why there are set deadlines to vote.

Perhaps I personally did not have a stamp, my car did not have enough gas, I lost my mail in ballot, whatever the reason, I did not submit my vote on time. Does that mean I get to have a redo? Everything get held up in order that everyone gets to have their vote counted? Not usually, right? But in this case, everything was pushed to the side to give voters more time to vote for Biden. The Right seemed to not have problems getting their votes in on time.

Do you really not see this? Had circumstances been reversed would you see it then?

Dennis

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Nov 9, 2023 11:20:25   #
Triple G
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Let me see here. So you are telling us that laws are allowed to be violated due to illness. It was technically illegal for the judge to rule as he did. Yet you accept that ruling because it helped YOUR cause. Isn't that correct?

Please tell me how Covid affected the mailing in of ballots. Then tell me why it SHOULD have had any effect at all. IF people were not able to get to the voting precinct, IF they were not able to post a ballot from home in due time then they, generally speaking did not get to have their votes counted. There is a reason why there are set deadlines to vote.

Perhaps I personally did not have a stamp, my car did not have enough gas, I lost my mail in ballot, whatever the reason, I did not submit my vote on time. Does that mean I get to have a redo? Everything get held up in order that everyone gets to have their vote counted? Not usually, right? But in this case, everything was pushed to the side to give voters more time to vote for Biden. The Right seemed to not have problems getting their votes in on time.

Do you really not see this? Had circumstances been reversed would you see it then?

Dennis
Let me see here. So you are telling us that laws ... (show quote)


I absolutely see it very differently.

PA followed the procedure they did out of empathy and compassion and timing presented to them. There was no partisan intent and no impact on the election outcome. The court cases were not heard because they didn't see any damages to be corrected. It's not up to me to decide that the courts didn't do their job.

It's old news and settled so not worth an ounce of my time or attention.

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Nov 9, 2023 11:24:27   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Triple G wrote:
I absolutely see it very differently.

PA followed the procedure they did out of empathy and compassion and timing presented to them. There was no partisan intent and no impact on the election outcome. The court cases were not heard because they didn't see any damages to be corrected. It's not up to me to decide that the courts didn't do their job.

It's old news and settled so not worth an ounce of my time or attention.


I can only say, no partisan intent, no impact on election outcome, MY ASS.

Of course it is old news and you tell us not worth an ounce of your time or attention. Yet here you are trying to cover it, to protect the incorrect decision.

Dennis

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Nov 9, 2023 12:30:23   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
dennis2146 wrote:
That is a complete lie and you know it. Right after Trump installed a number of Conservative SCOTUS Justices it was the Left, that would be YOU, who wanted to completely change the make up of SCOTUS to allow more Left Wing Justices. Please tell me this is not true so I can AGAIN call you a liar. Others will hopefully help me out here but it is the Left who wants to make changes to ensure their winning of elections. The Judge in Pennsylvania allowing mail in ballots to be submitted longer than was legally enacted is another example.

Now what were you saying about the MAGA-GOP party and changes? Do you on the lying corrupt Left even have any idea of the level of your corruption. Hell, with your party corruption you make Joe Biden with his criminal acts and corruption seem to be an angel.

Dennis
That is a complete lie and you know it. Right aft... (show quote)


As usual Denise you left some facts out of your diatribe and name calling.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/20/fact-check-gop-senators-blocked-nomination-merrick-garland-2016/5916555002/
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/29/624467256/what-happened-with-merrick-garland-in-2016-and-why-it-matters-now
And this only touches the surface of the MAGA-GOP party and changes of the lying corrupt Right. Hell, with your party corruption you make DJT with his criminal acts and corruption seem to be an innocent angel and nominee bound.

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Nov 9, 2023 12:33:51   #
Triple G
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I can only say, no partisan intent, no impact on election outcome, MY ASS.

Of course it is old news and you tell us not worth an ounce of your time or attention. Yet here you are trying to cover it, to protect the incorrect decision.

Dennis


Do you have proof of nefarious partisan intent or foul play? You know the importance of establishing intent. My last comment on the subject because it and your opinion are of no consequence.

https://www.penncapital-star.com/campaigns-elections/u-s-supreme-court-throws-out-lower-court-ruling-that-undated-vote-by-mail-ballots-must-be-counted/

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Nov 9, 2023 13:13:03   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I just love your ridiculous asinine comment regarding Trump. To you on the Left anything negative that happens to Trump is all well deserved and no matter how it might go against the fair principles of laws in America, no matter how much HE is singled out for whatever happens to him, legal or illegal, you all approve.

As any number of us has told you in the past, you refuse to believe, still insist the majority simply must be right. America is NOT a democracy as you continue to tell us due to your ignorance. America is a Democratic Republic. We operate on elected officials to speak for us.

Let's say a Republican speaker is able in Congress to speak better, more convincingly than a Democratic speaker. Votes then go to the Republican but does that necessarily mean he has the majority or perhaps the idea of the Democrat is a better choice. Lots of things come into play but you insist the majority must be correct. No matter how you slice it, that is not the way America works. Best you stick to your own shithole Socialist country since you love having lost your rights to allow idiots like Trudeau to do as he chooses.

I have brought up numerous times the ideas brought to us by the lying corrupt Left in order to divide America. These generally range in the area of men in women's locker rooms and rest rooms, drag queens reading to little children in order to indoctrinate those children that drag queens are normal, sex changes brought up to little children in grade school, the LGBTQ people having a week of national pride, their own flag and so on. Each of these things has been submitted ONLY by the Left. Each is designed to divide Americans as was anti police demonstrations, defund police ideas, letting violent criminals off the hook and so on. The Left is now the majority in America for the time being. Tell me John, do you personally accept and believe in each of these things I mentioned above? If you have granddaughters would you want a male walking into their rest room and showing off his penis to them. Normally and in the past that would be a form of child molestation/perversion, a criminal offense. But here in America now, according to the Left Wingers it is all a RIGHT of males to do just that. And you say?????

Dennis
I just love your ridiculous asinine comment regard... (show quote)


Dennis,
Take a break.

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Nov 9, 2023 13:13:10   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
Should the qualifying Presidential candidate with the most votes win the Presidency?


NO

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Nov 9, 2023 13:19:37   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Frank T wrote:
Richard,
Please explain how a mona4rchy is mob rule.
Thank you.


I have already given you the answer in another of the progressive educators post. A pure democracy is actually the monarchy of of a large group of voters and that group need not be most intelligent. Take a look at several of our largest cities that elect leaders that are basically and clearly unfit for office, AOC and the Mayor of NYC are a good example.

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Nov 9, 2023 13:37:11   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
dlwhawaii wrote:
As usual Denise you left some facts out of your diatribe and name calling.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/20/fact-check-gop-senators-blocked-nomination-merrick-garland-2016/5916555002/
https://www.npr.org/2018/06/29/624467256/what-happened-with-merrick-garland-in-2016-and-why-it-matters-now
And this only touches the surface of the MAGA-GOP party and changes of the lying corrupt Right. Hell, with your party corruption you make DJT with his criminal acts and corruption seem to be an innocent angel and nominee bound.
As usual Denise you left some facts out of your di... (show quote)


Is there a point you are trying to make? Are you saying Democrats have never blocked any Republican from office? Isn't that why there are Congressional hearings where a potential candidate is looked upon in hearings? Perhaps you forget the woman, Blasey Ford, who lied and said Justice Kavanaugh physically assaulted her; she thought he was going to rape her. Of course she later said she made those comments for political reasons. She also pointed out she could not remember the place, date and time, people involved or much of anything else. Ever her best friend, at the location too, state she did not believe Blasey Ford was telling the truth. Other men came forward to say they were the males involved but of course the Left rejected their claim. Pretty F'd up complaint wasn't it. Of course Blasey Ford made tons of money even though she is a LIAR.

So Merrick Garland did not get the position he wanted. Well isn't that just a shame. Do you really cry yourself to sleep every night over this taking place even though Blasey Ford lied about the entire event.

Oh wait...were you trying to be serious here?

Dennis

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Nov 9, 2023 13:44:03   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Triple G wrote:
Do you have proof of nefarious partisan intent or foul play? You know the importance of establishing intent. My last comment on the subject because it and your opinion are of no consequence.

https://www.penncapital-star.com/campaigns-elections/u-s-supreme-court-throws-out-lower-court-ruling-that-undated-vote-by-mail-ballots-must-be-counted/


I am SAYING and there is proof this took place, the judge changing the law of when ballots will stop being accepted and it is not right that it happened. The FACTS are it did take place, a Democratic Judge did change the LAW to allow people's ballots to be accepted AFTER the date when they should have been accepted. No judge has the authority to make law OR change law as he did. Yet you tell us all is well because your candidate won. I can't help but wonder what your opinion would have been if Trump had won. Of course those ballots affected the voting statistics. Only an idiot would think differently.

I ask you, did the judge have the right to change the law? Should those ballots have been accepted to begin with? I don't recall any judge in any other state making such a decision, do you? Where was his authority? Many people submit ballots that arrive too late every election cycle. Those ballots do not count in the election.

Dennis

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