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Nov 2, 2023 11:28:58   #
LinksUp
 
Fstop12 wrote:
First of all, it is a sincere question and what you are saying makes absolutely no sense to me. Sounds like a movie script to me. First there is a vast scene in the Universe where every Angel/Spirit resides in the presence of a Supreme being. This place via scripture is a place of eternal happiness, BUT WAIT! 1/3 of the natives are restless and there was a conspiracy to overthrow the Supreme being and claim all the glory. Essentially ousting the current administration and installing a new one with Satan as the head. For me, this is where it gets interesting. If God is the Supreme being, knowing all, seeing all, the Ultimate Being in all the Universe's, then he/she/it would have seen this coming and as Mr Wonderful on Shark tank says, "Crushed those bad angels like the cockroaches they were". This whole made up story, (my opinion), just doesn't make sense to me. It does make for interesting conversation though.
First of all, it is a sincere question and what yo... (show quote)


You are missing the point. Yes God sees all, etc… but Agency to choose overrides the “crush them like the cockroaches they were”. God does not compel anyone to do anything. Your agency is never ignored.

Just like a parent of a 5 yr old who is told not to get in the cookie jar. The parent knows all etc. and has a good idea of what will happen, but let’s see if the child obey’s or not. The child has agency. You can run with the analogy from here.

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Nov 2, 2023 13:03:31   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
LinksUp wrote:
Satan is a son of God just like Christ


Now I'm even more confused about the subject because a lot of internet reading suggests that Satan was an angel and Christ was not an angel ?

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Nov 2, 2023 13:21:27   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
travelwp wrote:
Now I'm even more confused about the subject because a lot of internet reading suggests that Satan was an angel and Christ was not an angel ?


I guess it depends on which ancient mythological retelling of accounts you subscribe to. It is my belief that all of the stories are just independent stories told by individuals pushing their narrative that best suits their political or financial gains at the time.

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Nov 2, 2023 13:37:54   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Fstop12 wrote:
I guess it depends on which ancient mythological retelling of accounts you subscribe to. It is my belief that all of the stories are just independent stories told by individuals pushing their narrative that best suits their political or financial gains at the time.



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Nov 2, 2023 14:58:26   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
LinksUp wrote:
Trials prove to you that you can do hard things in this life and not only survive but come out better for it.


If you equate heart disease to God's Trials, I don't understand why a good person would be given a trial and die of the disease. If the trial makes you die, why does God say "He loves us" ?

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Nov 2, 2023 15:09:36   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
travelwp wrote:
If you equate heart disease to God's Trials, I don't understand why a good person would be given a trial and die of the disease. If the trial makes you die, why does God say "He loves us" ?


Nowadays it's most greedy corporations that are killing us

by adding all kinds of chemicals to what we eat. Lots of

food products do not taste as good as they did

sixty years ago. And now we live with all kinds

of allergies that we never had before.

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Nov 2, 2023 15:38:25   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
LinksUp wrote:
I see you got a lot of "answers" from people of little to no faith. (Leftists all of them I'm sure.)

1. Satan is a son of God just like Christ, you and I. In a nutshell, at the Great Council Satan was cast out for rebellion and took 1/3 of the hosts of heaven with him. He is a spirit without a physical body. In a word he cannot be killed. Satan is part of the Plan of Salvation for mankind. Without Satan there is no choice. Choice and freedom to choose is essential to the plan. In this life we have the opportunity to choose who we will follow. We can choose to follow Satan or we can choose to follow Christ. If we follow Christ, there is the promise of life eternal and salvation which is eternity with Christ. If we follow Satan there is life eternal, (the Resurrection is Christ's gift to all of us) but your salvation will be a different sort.

2. Have you been reading the articles about Gen Z complaining that adult hood is too hard? They are moving back to their parents basement so they don't have to work or get their feelings hurt. Trials come to everybody, rich, poor, old young. It does not matter who you are or your station in life. Trials will come. The form of that trial is a crap shoot. Nobody knows what will happen. Trials (refiners fire so to speak) will do many positive things for you. How you endure them reveals character and strengthens it. Trials also make you humble, help you appreciate your life and realize that there is a higher power to which you can turn to and discover that it is real. Trials provide you with empathy and a desire to help other people going through what you have. Trials prove to you that you can do hard things in this life and not only survive but come out better for it. Who says that there will only be one trial happen in a lifetime? We have coddled this latest generation. They have not had to personally endure war, poverty or homlessness or loss of employment that prior generations went through. Why do they call the men and women who fought in WWII the greatest generation? Not because they fought in the war. It was because they fought, endured and survived something that was so horrible so we would not have to endure that. Yet here we are, less than 100 years later, after saying "Never again" , genocide of an entire people is the goal of the Middle East and there are kids who do not know anything about history or life cheering them on.

Trials of health are difficult because of the associated pain and suffering. Health trials do not always end up with the person becoming healed. Death is always a possibility. But the same things I said about non-health trials applies to this also. Health trials are also for those around you. Do your loved ones rally around you or do they flee? Maybe your health trial is as much for them as it is for you. Trials reveal character.

If you believe that there is no God, then death is very scary. But if you believe in Christ and his words, then death, as sad as it is, becomes a mere stepping stone to the next realm.
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You are entitled to your opinions and beliefs but they are not proven facts.Is your belief fiction? I think so. The possibility of something we might call god is something that I don't believe is true, but I won't rule out the possibility. The God of the bible I strongly believe is a fantasy. You have as much right to believe as you do as I have to believe what I do. Your belief in no way offends me, but anyone tossing it out there as though it is proven fact does. I'm not sure if that is what you just did or not.

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Nov 2, 2023 15:42:42   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Texcaster wrote:
I would guess he has a very mysterious sense of humor. Look at how he trolled Abraham.


Job is the one that gets me. I can't read it without seeing the God of Job as a sadist a rather cruel one at that. I think the play JB lays it out quite well. There are many things in life that could lead one to say "if God is God he is not Good, If God is good he is not God. I always sort of chuckle when I hear a christian say "If I'm wrong and you are right, when death occurs nothing will happen. If I'm right and you are wrong I will go to heaven, so why not play it safe. As though belief in their god, or not believing in any God are the only choices. Leaving out that if their God is real, there might be other Gods and one of the other gods, or the one God, if theirs doesn't exist might be really pissed in their allegiance to their God. I'm not saying it's so, but it's as possible as their belief.

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Nov 2, 2023 15:50:05   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
Fstop12 wrote:
I guess it depends on which ancient mythological retelling of accounts you subscribe to. It is my belief that all of the stories are just independent stories told by individuals pushing their narrative that best suits their political or financial gains at the time.


Does that include the retelling of accounts that 'there is a God' that lives in Heaven ?

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Nov 2, 2023 15:58:41   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Fstop12 wrote:
I guess it depends on which ancient mythological retelling of accounts you subscribe to. It is my belief that all of the stories are just independent stories told by individuals pushing their narrative that best suits their political or financial gains at the time.


As in "man created God in his own image".

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Nov 2, 2023 15:59:59   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
travelwp wrote:
Does that include the retelling of accounts that 'there is a God' that lives in Heaven ?


I'm not speaking for him, but I believe so.

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Nov 2, 2023 17:06:25   #
cwp3420
 
LinksUp wrote:
I see you got a lot of "answers" from people of little to no faith. (Leftists all of them I'm sure.)

1. Satan is a son of God just like Christ, you and I. In a nutshell, at the Great Council Satan was cast out for rebellion and took 1/3 of the hosts of heaven with him. He is a spirit without a physical body. In a word he cannot be killed. Satan is part of the Plan of Salvation for mankind. Without Satan there is no choice. Choice and freedom to choose is essential to the plan. In this life we have the opportunity to choose who we will follow. We can choose to follow Satan or we can choose to follow Christ. If we follow Christ, there is the promise of life eternal and salvation which is eternity with Christ. If we follow Satan there is life eternal, (the Resurrection is Christ's gift to all of us) but your salvation will be a different sort.

2. Have you been reading the articles about Gen Z complaining that adult hood is too hard? They are moving back to their parents basement so they don't have to work or get their feelings hurt. Trials come to everybody, rich, poor, old young. It does not matter who you are or your station in life. Trials will come. The form of that trial is a crap shoot. Nobody knows what will happen. Trials (refiners fire so to speak) will do many positive things for you. How you endure them reveals character and strengthens it. Trials also make you humble, help you appreciate your life and realize that there is a higher power to which you can turn to and discover that it is real. Trials provide you with empathy and a desire to help other people going through what you have. Trials prove to you that you can do hard things in this life and not only survive but come out better for it. Who says that there will only be one trial happen in a lifetime? We have coddled this latest generation. They have not had to personally endure war, poverty or homlessness or loss of employment that prior generations went through. Why do they call the men and women who fought in WWII the greatest generation? Not because they fought in the war. It was because they fought, endured and survived something that was so horrible so we would not have to endure that. Yet here we are, less than 100 years later, after saying "Never again" , genocide of an entire people is the goal of the Middle East and there are kids who do not know anything about history or life cheering them on.

Trials of health are difficult because of the associated pain and suffering. Health trials do not always end up with the person becoming healed. Death is always a possibility. But the same things I said about non-health trials applies to this also. Health trials are also for those around you. Do your loved ones rally around you or do they flee? Maybe your health trial is as much for them as it is for you. Trials reveal character.

If you believe that there is no God, then death is very scary. But if you believe in Christ and his words, then death, as sad as it is, becomes a mere stepping stone to the next realm.
I see you got a lot of "answers" from pe... (show quote)


You must be Mormon.

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Nov 2, 2023 17:07:37   #
cwp3420
 
thom w wrote:
You are entitled to your opinions and beliefs but they are not proven facts.Is your belief fiction? I think so. The possibility of something we might call god is something that I don't believe is true, but I won't rule out the possibility. The God of the bible I strongly believe is a fantasy. You have as much right to believe as you do as I have to believe what I do. Your belief in no way offends me, but anyone tossing it out there as though it is proven fact does. I'm not sure if that is what you just did or not.
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Burn, baby, burn.

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Nov 2, 2023 21:41:11   #
srg
 
Kraken wrote:
Satan was a good swimmer.

The invisible man in the sky loves us but he loves big pharma more.



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Nov 3, 2023 06:49:18   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
srg wrote:


It's been said that Satan could tread water for 41 days and 41 nights.

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