Do you believe a higher power created the universe, or do you believe in just the Big Bang?
Oct 24, 2023 23:41:55 #
Oct 24, 2023 23:42:18 #
RodeoMan
Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
gvarner wrote:
Rid yourself of the concept that everything has to start somewhere. That’s a human construct since we see ourselves having a beginning and an end so everything else must have a beginning and an end. The universe does not operate by our rules of time, rules that require a beginning and an end. My intuition alone tells me this.
If we require that the universe must have a beginning, it only makes sense that we have the same requirement for God.
Oct 25, 2023 01:20:07 #
Oct 25, 2023 06:29:54 #
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
Oct 25, 2023 08:00:08 #
JimBart
Loc: Western Michigan
sourdough58 wrote:
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the ... (show quote)
Amen to that Sourdough 58
Oct 25, 2023 08:14:33 #
What I believe or what anyone else believes about it, doesn't matter. It is what happened. An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God created the universe, the cosmos, and everything within.
Those with whom He abides in their innermost heart, know beyond any doubt, and that is how they know. Only then can one understand the full scope.
That which ANYONE thinks about it, has no relevance. That which happened, HAPPENED, period.
Believe what you want. Call me stupid. Call me bigot. Call me anything you want. Believe what you want. It doesn't matter what I believe about it. What happened, HAPPENED, period.
He was and is from the beginning, eternally existing. To think that everything material just happened from nothing and became something, is ludicrous. The complexity of everything could not have just happened.
Those with whom He abides in their innermost heart, know beyond any doubt, and that is how they know. Only then can one understand the full scope.
That which ANYONE thinks about it, has no relevance. That which happened, HAPPENED, period.
Believe what you want. Call me stupid. Call me bigot. Call me anything you want. Believe what you want. It doesn't matter what I believe about it. What happened, HAPPENED, period.
He was and is from the beginning, eternally existing. To think that everything material just happened from nothing and became something, is ludicrous. The complexity of everything could not have just happened.
Oct 25, 2023 08:16:40 #
Linda From Maine wrote:
Did anyone ask you to apologize or imply that you should? So far this has been an amazingly polite and thoughtful conversation.
It was a statement Linda not the assumption that an apology was needed. To me it was as it is written in the Bible and no other explanation is needed. That one satisfies me.
Oct 25, 2023 09:15:54 #
srron
Loc: Courtice,On.
As with all evidence it has to be interpreted and one can choose which interpretation to believe. In many cases the evidence is so obvious even the stones cry out.
Oct 25, 2023 09:18:54 #
srron
Loc: Courtice,On.
Humans created the problems we have, God provides the solutions, but people have to act on Gods solutions.
Oct 25, 2023 09:22:28 #
srron
Loc: Courtice,On.
Actually scientists believe that the universe running down, so it makes sense that it had to have a beginning.
Oct 25, 2023 09:27:59 #
All religions are a reflection of our own fear about death...non continuance.
That's why all religions that offer some sort of 'afterlife' gain traction.
None of it is true of course...but the desire overrides common sense...for most.
That's why all religions that offer some sort of 'afterlife' gain traction.
None of it is true of course...but the desire overrides common sense...for most.
Oct 25, 2023 09:31:00 #
srron
Loc: Courtice,On.
gvarner wrote:
As did lightening and fire in ancient times. Now we know what’s behind them, back then we didn’t, so our imagination filled in the knowledge gap with the God placeholder.
Yes,we can understand how nature works and the dominion mandate says we should do science, but knowing how a storm happens doesn't explain its origin.
Oct 25, 2023 10:12:38 #
Interesting yet unnecessary discussion of that which is, for now. Incomprehensible except for literalists who accept the Ocam's Razor path.
Oct 25, 2023 10:20:13 #
I am more concerned about how the world (and universe) will end than how it was created. I'm already sitting on this bus as it goes along its journey and I'm hoping for a good driver.
Oct 25, 2023 10:31:08 #
Harry02
Loc: Gardena, CA
TonyBot wrote:
I’ve been an “Theistic Evolutionist” my entire life - starting with questioning my minister at eight years old: ‘But, Mr Ivan, how long was a day?’. After a lot of bluster and admonishing looks towards my parents, the answer was: ‘Only God knows’.
My parents put up with me asking silly and unanswerable questions - a lot - only responding: ‘So, what did you think of [Mr Ivan’s] answer?’
I’m forever grateful to them…
My parents put up with me asking silly and unanswerable questions - a lot - only responding: ‘So, what did you think of [Mr Ivan’s] answer?’
I’m forever grateful to them…
If you count 1 billion years minus 100,000 as His day, the numbers work. For Earth.
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