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Oct 18, 2023 23:30:28   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Years ago, I took some courses from Lynda.com, and one of them featured a chapter called "Work the Scene." I've always remembered that. Unlike film days, when you had to make the most of every shot, today, we can shoot and shoot and shoot.

The idea behind "Work..." is that one shot is often not enough. I was just taking some pictures around the property outside, and I shot from lots of different angles. Shots that I thought would be good, weren't as good as shots that I took from other angles. Next time you're shooting something, try lots of different angles. You may be surprised at the results.
Years ago, I took some courses from Lynda.com, and... (show quote)



Working the scene, finding other angles and ideas, sometimes involves predicting the moment as well.

As an example, when I saw this space, it made me try & wait for several occasions to capture a photo of a bird flying in it and complete the composition.


I don't know where the fireworks would be, but In my mind predicted it would make a nice background to this mosque


There was this satellite dish in the distance, and I waited for winter so the sun would be passing behind it to get this photo that I played with.


Linda mentioned, it is about seeing.
I would like to add seeing not only the tangible but also the what is not there. What may be possible, what may be an element to build upon.


It's a deep rabbit hole to explore.

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Oct 19, 2023 00:28:26   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
MJPerini wrote:
Work the scene, is good advice. Most Photographers come to it intuitively.
Young newspaper photographers were often told, "Get Something" then work to try to get something better.
When I teach I often say "If something catches your eye, make the picture, but then ask yourself what are the odds that you are in the best possible place, in the best light, at the right height ...etc to make the strongest picture? Then also ask what ELSE is there? Would the light be better at a different time? What if you waited a while to see what else happens.
Most photographers do some variation of this, but it is helpful advice both for people who are learning, and the rest of us to remind ourselves once in a while. So thanks for ringing it up.
Work the scene, is good advice. Most Photographer... (show quote)


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Oct 19, 2023 02:07:16   #
AzYooper Loc: Sun Lakes AZ (Almost Phoenix)
 
[quote=CHG_CANON]LOL. Old dogs never learn new tricks. Why pay $$$$ for a digital wonder of the modern world and then use it as it was meant to be used? So many think 'success' is to shoot one frame standing straight up, at eye-level, usually slightly out of focus, just like every other person who ever shot from that spot before. Their images look exactly like everyone else's. Success ....

That sarcasm aside, I still fear the old dogs don't want to learn.

100% on, Chg_Canon. As time goes on, I find that I spend more time soaking in the scene and enjoying it, analyzing it, before even taking out the camera. I think the more time you spend absorbing the scene and visualizing it before you start to shoot, the better results you will have. Once you start shooting, you're working and almost everything looks good. This also allows me to absorb the view, commune with nature, and then start some thoughtful shots. If it's a sunrise or sunset, I am usually there plenty early. Obviously, this will not work for you Safari folks or situations where the subjects say "Now.".

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Oct 19, 2023 05:27:17   #
cmc4214 Loc: S.W. Pennsylvania
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You play how you practice. Practice missing images, plan on missing images when it counts.


Practice making throw-away images, and you'll get better at it.

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Oct 19, 2023 05:51:55   #
JimmyTB
 
Jerry, thank you for starting this thread of 'obvious' techniques. What's obvious to the more knowledgeable and experienced people on this site is valuable information to the novices and newbies like me. I also appreciate people like CHG_CANON and Linda from Maine and others who graciously and generously share their hard earned knowledge. Folks like you are the reason I'm still here.
BTW Jerry, it may be belated but congratulations on reattaining #1 starter status

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Oct 19, 2023 06:02:51   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Every subject can usually be photographed from many different angles and not precisely from the first one we selected. Looking at the subject and what the light is doing to it is something we usually fail to notice. I agree with Linda, we look but most of the time we do not see. I agree also with the statements by Paul, CHG-Canon. Look at your subject from different angles. When I shoot sunsets or sunrises I usually look back also and many times what I see is more interesting that my original position to photograph the sunset or the sunrise.

Observing the subject and planning the photograph is the most basic approach to photography.

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Oct 19, 2023 06:36:21   #
Gitchigumi Loc: Wake Forest, NC
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
LOL. Old dogs never learn new tricks. Why pay $$$$ for a digital wonder of the modern world and then use it as it was meant to be used? So many think 'success' is to shoot one frame standing straight up, at eye-level, usually slightly out of focus, just like every other person who ever shot from that spot before. Their images look exactly like everyone else's. Success ....

That sarcasm aside, I still fear the old dogs don't want to learn. Varying the aperture, varying the zoom length, varying the AF point location involves learning how to use your camera. Getting down on a knee, getting down on the ground, even moving 5 steps to the left or right, or better yet: 10 steps closer. Some of these tricks might even involve cracking the manual to learn where those controls reside. Spending 5 minutes instead of 30 seconds, when most of us really have all day free; I don't see it happening. I preach these ideas whenever I can find a soapbox.

A newer 'theme' I've seen is "I don't want to waste time on a computer." Well, too bad, all I hear is "I don't want to succeed. I have an attachment problem and can't delete failed image files." They think a real photographer like Ansel Adams hiked all the way into those mountains, took one perfect shot, and hiked home to glory.

Myself, most times I find that I arrive at just the right time when a thousand images will surely capture something. This strategy is more likely to yield success than just one slightly out of focus frame, shot at eye-level, standing straight up, and moving on. Myself, if I stop to shoot at all, I take as many versions as to justify (find) why I stopped there and raised the camera to begin with.
LOL. Old dogs never learn new tricks. Why pay $$$$... (show quote)


👍👍 Agreed! Afterall, you spent the time, money and physical effort to get to the photo scene, why not stay and “work the scene”? Different angles, camera settings, lenses, wait for the light to change, etc…

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Oct 19, 2023 07:50:39   #
AzPicLady Loc: Behind the camera!
 
I like to look - really look - at a scene from lots of angles before I raise the camera. Frequently I find that the first view, the one that drew me in, is the one I like best, even if it's not actually the best photo.

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Oct 19, 2023 08:00:51   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Lynda.com was bought by another company. I don't recall which one.

Got it - https://www.linkedin.com/learning/?trk=lynda_redirect_learning

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Oct 19, 2023 08:06:49   #
HRPufnstuf
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
LOL. Old dogs never learn new tricks. Why pay $$$$ for a digital wonder of the modern world and then use it as it was meant to be used? So many think 'success' is to shoot one frame standing straight up, at eye-level, usually slightly out of focus, just like every other person who ever shot from that spot before. Their images look exactly like everyone else's. Su

Myself, most times I find that I arrive at just the right time when a thousand images will surely capture something.


I started taking photos in Junior high school with a 35mm Kowa. Well, actually, much earlier, if you count Dad's Brownie Hawkeye. Because of my interest in photography, when I joined a police department later, I was selected as an evidence technician. Yeah, plaster casts for footprints and tire marks, along with a Speed Graphic (they weren't very modern). And in the case with the Graflex were 10 film packs - 20 images max.

So if I was working Fri. - Sun., that's all I had to work with, until the film could get turned into the photo lab on Monday for processing and reloading the film packs.

Got a murder scene to process on Friday night? Got to think very, very carefully, planning each shot. And hey, don't use them all up, Got to save some film in case another important scene comes up during the rest of the weekend.

So I became a very slow, calculating photographer, with no "wasted" film.

My own 35mm film was a joy to "blow through," although paying for the film and processing myself still limited my shooting, especially with color.

Those experiences have stuck with me, even when I got my first Canon DSLR. And I'm only limited by how much storage space I have, and battery life. Even though I have plenty of both.

I'm afraid I'm kind of going the other way now though. I pop off 50 shots, and try as I might, I have a hard time selecting the "best," and deleting the rest.

Somebody's going to have a helluva job when I die, deciding what to do with them all. BTW, I've even gone back and scanned all the slides and negatives from high school (I was the newspaper and yearbook photographer).

Megabytes? Ha! More like gigabytes now.

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Oct 19, 2023 08:19:57   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
HRPufnstuf wrote:
I started taking photos in Junior high school with a 35mm Kowa. Well, actually, much earlier, if you count Dad's Brownie Hawkeye. Because of my interest in photography, when I joined a police department later, I was selected as an evidence technician. Yeah, plaster casts for footprints and tire marks, along with a Speed Graphic (they weren't very modern). And in the case with the Graflex were 10 film packs - 20 images max.

So if I was working Fri. - Sun., that's all I had to work with, until the film could get turned into the photo lab on Monday for processing and reloading the film packs.

Got a murder scene to process on Friday night? Got to think very, very carefully, planning each shot. And hey, don't use them all up, Got to save some film in case another important scene comes up during the rest of the weekend.

So I became a very slow, calculating photographer, with no "wasted" film.

My own 35mm film was a joy to "blow through," although paying for the film and processing myself still limited my shooting, especially with color.

Those experiences have stuck with me, even when I got my first Canon DSLR. And I'm only limited by how much storage space I have, and battery life. Even though I have plenty of both.

I'm afraid I'm kind of going the other way now though. I pop off 50 shots, and try as I might, I have a hard time selecting the "best," and deleting the rest.

Somebody's going to have a helluva job when I die, deciding what to do with them all. BTW, I've even gone back and scanned all the slides and negatives from high school (I was the newspaper and yearbook photographer).

Megabytes? Ha! More like gigabytes now.
I started taking photos in Junior high school with... (show quote)


At least you have the courage to raise your hand publicly as 'guilty'. That's a positive start! As said, we play as we practice. Try practicing and developing new skills and confidence, especially on how to isolate the best and delete the rest. If you don't know where / which are your best images, you don't have any best images. No one else will find them for you, especially not your offspring. Give them something to cherish, not a chore to ignore until everything is just given away as junk.

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Oct 19, 2023 08:26:19   #
finalimage Loc: Brattleboro, VT
 
A friend once told me „notice what you notice“. I have found this to be very useful over the years.

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Oct 19, 2023 08:32:39   #
W9OD Loc: Wisconsin
 
Great thoughts from you all.

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Oct 19, 2023 09:14:25   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
larryepage wrote:
Several of our prolific posters have stated that time should be spent taking more exposures rather than stopping to review images because there is no useful information in the tiny image in the rear display. I'll not call names.
You originally said "taught." I assumed you meant by mentors or someone whose work you admire and feel inspired by.

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Oct 19, 2023 09:18:46   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
finalimage wrote:
A friend once told me „notice what you notice“. I have found this to be very useful over the years.
It is fun to be out and have a non-photographer ask what I'm shooting and to be able to help them see something they never considered: such as how reflections from a vehicle in a carport became four shrouded men standing in archways, surrounded by golden light.

Yes, my neighbors think I'm slightly off



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