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Dec 19, 2012 07:44:47   #
larryg Loc: Central Wi.
 
tpx wrote:
ID like to say, here in victoria australia, we have the best gun laws in the world?you guys over there are damm crazy about guns,every household does not need guns? why

Because when your in a rural area with a low population, and it is very dark, the bad guy just cannot read the sign on my front door that says " this establishment is insured by Smith and Wesson". Larry

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Dec 19, 2012 08:00:17   #
rodart Loc: Comanche, TX
 
MtnMan wrote:
the_imaginist wrote:
Ahh, you probably thought that I was going to say ban all guns. Not so. In reality I don't personally like guns, but would not ban all fire arms. But I do hope that Congress will pass a ban on assault weapons. I don't see the need for them in private life.

No, actually my post is about Gun Control... responsible control of the guns that you own. Lifetime responsibility of that weapon.

Here is how works;

Every firearm carries a title. Fully registered. Just like an automobile. When it's sold that ownership is transferred. All guns are titled and insured, and owners are licensed(certified) to operate. If the gun ever shows up at a crime scene or an accidental shooting, you are still held to some level of responsibility because you didn't exercise enough "control" over that firearm. (Gun safes) If you sell it, then you have to go through the same basic channels as selling a vehicle. Don't try to argue it's too complicated because it goes on every day with motor vehicles.

Insurance is mandatory..... too expensive? Take it up with the gun lobby and have them convince the insurance lobby that responsible gun ownership really is safer than automobiles.
Ahh, you probably thought that I was going to say ... (show quote)


Actually we already have data that shows it won't work to solve the mass murder problem because it does not address the cause of the problem. It just adds more hassle for the innocent.

Here's a good article on where to look for solutions:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323723104578185271857424036.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop
quote=the_imaginist Ahh, you probably thought tha... (show quote)


Very good article!

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Dec 19, 2012 08:00:55   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Hey, if they ban guns, don't worry, the DOJ WILL SELL THEM TO ANYONE !

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Dec 19, 2012 08:03:09   #
rodart Loc: Comanche, TX
 
MtnMan wrote:
Robert Graybeal wrote:
Again, just more laws and B.S. to impose on the law abiding citizens. Will have no effect on illegal guns or criminals.
I am sorry I don't have the mental capacity to comprehend the thinking of some people.


I don't doubt the intentions of most of them. Everyone would love to stop such horrific events.

Alas their solutions often are off track. The politicians flock to such ideas because they can take credit for doing something...even though it won't matter.

I addition to the items mentioned in the article I feel that the pushing of religion out of U.S. life and the growth of realistic mass murder games are both involved.
quote=Robert Graybeal Again, just more laws and B... (show quote)


It's so refreshing to hear "logical" thinking!

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Dec 19, 2012 08:10:08   #
coastlawyer Loc: Coastal Mississippi
 
"But I do hope that Congress will pass a ban on assault weapons."

Congress did in 1994.

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Dec 19, 2012 08:15:06   #
Wellhiem Loc: Sunny England.
 
Robert Graybeal wrote:
tpx wrote:
ID like to say, here in victoria australia, we have the best gun laws in the world?you guys over there are damm crazy about guns,every household does not need guns? why


Why won't people learn from history?
Australia - gun control - higher crime rate
U.S.A. - less gun control - lower crime rate
Switzerland - gov't issues guns - lowest crime rate


Australia - Higher alcohol consumption - Higher crime rate.
U.S.A. - Medium alcohol consumption - Lower crime rate.
Switzerland - Lowest alcohol consumption - Lowest crime rate.


Australia - Most sheep - Higher crime rate.
U.S.A. - Fewer sheep - Lower crime rate.
Switzerland - Not many sheep - Lowest crime rate.

Look hard enough and you'll find a patern anywhere.

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Dec 19, 2012 08:20:57   #
rodart Loc: Comanche, TX
 
coastlawyer wrote:
"But I do hope that Congress will pass a ban on assault weapons."

Congress did in 1994.


I don't. Because it won't solve a thing. Evil will still exist. Taking away this kind of gun from law abiding citizens won't change a thing with evil minded killer because he doesn't follow the law of the land anyway.

Robert

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Dec 19, 2012 08:37:55   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
coastlawyer wrote:
"But I do hope that Congress will pass a ban on assault weapons."

Congress did in 1994.


I'm just curious coastlawyer, what is your definition of an "assault weapon" that seems to be a point of contention.

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Dec 19, 2012 08:50:08   #
coastlawyer Loc: Coastal Mississippi
 
Pepper wrote:
coastlawyer wrote:
"But I do hope that Congress will pass a ban on assault weapons."

Congress did in 1994.


I'm just curious coastlawyer, what is your definition of an "assault weapon" that seems to be a point of contention.


With one pull of the trigger an assault rifle will empty the ammunition on board. Fully automatic, not just automatic reload, such as a 45 pistol, or AR 15.

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Dec 19, 2012 08:53:03   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
coastlawyer wrote:
Pepper wrote:
coastlawyer wrote:
"But I do hope that Congress will pass a ban on assault weapons."

Congress did in 1994.


I'm just curious coastlawyer, what is your definition of an "assault weapon" that seems to be a point of contention.


With one pull of the trigger an assault rifle will empty the ammunition on board. Fully automatic, not just automatic reload, such as a 45 pistol, or AR 15.


Thanks coastlawyer and under your definition I'm with you I think that the military should be the only ones who are allowed fully automatic weapons.

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Dec 19, 2012 08:56:35   #
AUminer Loc: Brandon, Ms
 
This is a fully automatic weapon and is unavailable to the average citizen. Of course, conversion kits can be obtained and this is what needs to be addressed. By the way, the gun used in CT was semi and required seperate pulls of the trigger for each round fired.
coastlawyer wrote:
Pepper wrote:
coastlawyer wrote:
"But I do hope that Congress will pass a ban on assault weapons."

Congress did in 1994.


I'm just curious coastlawyer, what is your definition of an "assault weapon" that seems to be a point of contention.


With one pull of the trigger an assault rifle will empty the ammunition on board. Fully automatic, not just automatic reload, such as a 45 pistol, or AR 15.

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Dec 19, 2012 09:10:04   #
tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio
 
And they could charge you "sales tax" on every transfer.
The problem is not he guns, it the rotting morals of modern society

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Dec 19, 2012 09:19:31   #
jethro63 Loc: Australia
 
Re gun control, when looking at the stats overall it shows a different result, but when one looks at the issue we are all discussing GUN CONTROL etc. it shows that the figures are far worse in the states for gun issues, than is Australia, l am a shooter of some 50 plus years experience both for hunting and competitive target shooting and while l am NOT in favour of our current restrictive laws that have reduced the amount of gun related injuries and deaths since they were brought into effect. WE are not allowed with very few exceptions any form of self loading rifles or shotguns, and l had to surrender my beloved Ruger and Winchester autos and pump guns.

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Dec 19, 2012 09:22:37   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
the_imaginist wrote:
Ahh, you probably thought that I was going to say ban all guns. Not so. In reality I don't personally like guns, but would not ban all fire arms. But I do hope that Congress will pass a ban on assault weapons. I don't see the need for them in private life.

No, actually my post is about Gun Control... responsible control of the guns that you own. Lifetime responsibility of that weapon.

Here is how works;

Every firearm carries a title. Fully registered. Just like an automobile. When it's sold that ownership is transferred. All guns are titled and insured, and owners are licensed(certified) to operate. If the gun ever shows up at a crime scene or an accidental shooting, you are still held to some level of responsibility because you didn't exercise enough "control" over that firearm. (Gun safes) If you sell it, then you have to go through the same basic channels as selling a vehicle. Don't try to argue it's too complicated because it goes on every day with motor vehicles.

Insurance is mandatory..... too expensive? Take it up with the gun lobby and have them convince the insurance lobby that responsible gun ownership really is safer than automobiles.
Ahh, you probably thought that I was going to say ... (show quote)


Actually most of what you propose is already on the books. Hand guns must be registered. In order to buy a long gun from a legal source you must have a background check and are therefore on record as the owner of the weapon. All firearms I'm aware of have serial numbers that can be traced through their legal chain of ownership. If you want to carry the gun in public most states require you prove that you know how to safely use it. If you have homeowners insurance you have liability coverage for your actions, including use of your legally owned guns. A weapon used in a crime and traced back to you will require an explaination to law enforcement. If you want to insure the value of the gun then that is up to you.

Since the term "assault weapon" has no consistent definition it is impossible to draft a ban on them. Most of what the press refers to as “assault weapons” are not “assault weapons”. You can take a simple .22 cal rifle and modify the stock, add on shrouds and eye candy and make it look like something out of a Terminator movie but that doesn’t make it an “assault weapon”. Despite what Solidad O’Brian claims you cannot buy a machine gun, rocket launcher, mortar or cruise missile on the internet with free UPS delivery. However if you travel to the Middle East you can buy any of those things in the local market and then smuggle them into the U.S. However that sort of negates the “legal” part of the argument.

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Dec 19, 2012 09:31:43   #
star2344 Loc: Lakewood Ranch, FLorida
 
Why?

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