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Oct 4, 2023 11:53:51   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
gvarner wrote:
Is there an actual quality difference in the photos taken by a quality DSLR versus a mirrorless or is it all about one technology versus another? Assume the photographer is of the highest quality.

There would be no difference in the results from a DSLR and a mirrorless camera from the same manufacturer released at the same time with same MP taken with the same lens of the same subject taken at the same ISO, aperture and shutter speed and focused correctly.

But you can see in that stipulation that there are several ways that the comparison will fail.

There have been no new DSLRs released at the same time as a mirrorless camera using the same sensor by the same manufacturer. The software and associated technology in the mirrorless camera will be newer and better.

Newer lenses designed for the mirrorless format will likely be better than those made for an older DSLR mounted on an adapter (you can't mount a mirrorless lens on a DSLR) because the mirror made it necessary to compromise some designs.

Focusing is easier with a mirrorless camera and it eliminates the need for fine tuning since focus is accomplished with the sensor itself, not through a separate path involving the mirror.

But the fundamental difference is in the way that the photographer interacts with the camera. Many things are easier to do with mirrorless than with DSLR once you get used to the equipment.

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Oct 4, 2023 12:07:40   #
Machinedoc Loc: Yorktown Heights, NY
 
My 2 cents: I have had a D7200 since early 2016 and have really enjoyed it. Bought a Z6ii in June of this year with the 24-200 kit lens. Also bought the FTZii adapter so I could use my F series Sigma 180-600 sport and Sigma 105/2.8 macro. I am super pleased with the camera and lens combinations. The advances in autofocus technology and low light response of the sensor are extraordinary. I am also pleased with the WYSIWIG factor (what you see is what you get) afforded by mirrorless technology. The slightly smaller footprint and slightly less weight are also good. The menu system is also very similar to the DSLR Nikon. That being said I shoot mostly wildlife so I can't really comment on landscape. So I'm not sure a mirrorless investment now to replace the super solid D850 might buy you anything - except the fun that comes with something new.

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Oct 4, 2023 12:27:10   #
BandeauRouge Loc: usa
 
yssirk123 wrote:
I happily used a D3S and D800E for many years but would never switch back to a DSLR after purchasing my Z7ii. The Z lenses are superb and the ability to see a preview of my shot prior to pressing the shutter button was worth the price of admission all by itself.

Also, all development is now focused on Nikon's mirrorless lineup of cameras.


two questions no sarcasm..

Since you state you have no interest or intent to go back to DSLR... can you send me your DSLR and lenses?

Also, i have cameras of multiple ages

Vitomatic ii, Canon FtB, Vivitar 3800n, mamiya 645 1000s,, they all show me a preview of the image as the image exists right at time of exposure... its called the view finder...

Also my Nikon D7500 has a beautiful view finder that shows me the same pre shot image exactly as the sensor will see it.

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Oct 4, 2023 12:34:29   #
junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You have the greatest 46MP DSLR Nikon ever created. Where is this GAS coming from?

There are many magical enabling technologies of mirrorless cameras. I've copied my own list of ideas, below. But, unless you have more money burning a hole in your pocket, you don't need to lust for another full-frame digital camera until your D850 fails from old age and long, long use, probably something that won't ever happen in your remaining lifetime.

Regarding image quality, remember that a digital sensor really doesn't know that a mirror has been removed from between the sensor and the lens. More importantly, ongoing investments in sensors and digital processors (the computer technology that converts the sensor data into an image file on the camera card), these investments now only occur in the mirrorless line of cameras. So, by definition, image quality only gets better on new mirrorless cameras, as those are the only cameras getting better.

But, taking the mirror away from one 46MP sensor to create another 46MP sensor and paying $4000 to get an EXPEED 7 processor over an EXPEED 5, that's not cost-effective, nor likely to generate any relevant differences in image quality, even with the addition of new (& pricey) mirrorless lenses.

Now, if that pep talk doesn't lead you away from a GAS attack, consider why I love mirrorless? Let me count the ways:

1. Smaller body by removing the space needed for that yesteryear flapping mirror.
2. IBIS that turns every lens into a stabilized lens, even the golden oldies of the manual focus, pre-electronic ages.
3. EVF with shimmering highlights of the plane of focus.
4. Histogram available for display in electronic view finder (EVF).
5. Detailed 10x zoom in EVF.
6. Silent (not a single noise) shutter.
7. Extreme frames per second, 20+.
8. Image playback in EVF for review when LCD impossible to see in bright light.
9. Image playback at 10x zoom in EVF.
10. Sharper mirrorless lens designs.
11. More ultra fast lenses as sharp wide open as any stepped down DSLR lens ever.
12. One digital platform supporting portfolio of legacy DSLR lenses, legacy SLR lenses and modern mirrorless lenses.
13. Autofocus beyond f/8 for extended configurations.
14. Platform for any / all ongoing technology advancements in digital photography.
15. EVF that displays the results of the image before shooting.
16. EVF that allows for ad hoc updates like boosting the ISO for a brighter focus view, then restore ISO and shoot, without even lowering the camera from a shooting position.
17. Entire frame available for selective AF position.

I'm sure I missed probably several others.
You have the greatest 46MP DSLR Nikon ever created... (show quote)



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Oct 4, 2023 12:53:45   #
BandeauRouge Loc: usa
 
Retired CPO wrote:
$7000 will buy an awful lot of nice F glass!!


according to UN data as of 2021, cocaine cost 3.50 USD per gram in Columbia, 300 per gram in Australia, american prices ranged from 8.00 to 300 per gram.

so that 7000$ would get you 2,000 grams.. and depending on location and how well you cut it... you could end up with 600,000$ USD.

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Oct 4, 2023 13:03:17   #
BandeauRouge Loc: usa
 
Randyfrieder wrote:
850 gives you 7 fps but z8 gives you 20 raw fps... interesting but not exactly worth the cost.


That is just one of the many advantages of the Z9 over the D850.

Trust that there are so many others[/quote]

tehre are other mirrorless cameras by nikon and canon that are not worth the cost.. seriously, in the canon lineup, they have two bodies that the only difference is the more expensive by i think 2,000$ had an extra "image processor chip", but it only gave the camera i think, an extra 3 FPS..

DOnt forget the burst mode FPS is all based on the lowest quality, smallest sized jpeg file it can create,, i thnk 120 jpegs.. for z8. d7500 i think is 100?

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Oct 4, 2023 13:11:27   #
M1911 Loc: DFW Metromess
 
The Z8 or at least my Z8 is a battery hog. It may be because I use the live view feature so much as I generally shot from a tripod.

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Oct 4, 2023 13:13:50   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
BandeauRouge wrote:
tehre are other mirrorless cameras by nikon and canon that are not worth the cost.. seriously, in the canon lineup, they have two bodies that the only difference is the more expensive by i think 2,000$ had an extra "image processor chip", but it only gave the camera i think, an extra 3 FPS..

DOnt forget the burst mode FPS is all based on the lowest quality, smallest sized jpeg file it can create,, i thnk 120 jpegs.. for z8. d7500 i think is 100?


20fps low resolution JPEG? I'd say thats a video camera.
Mine has 1080p at 60fps

That is more than the 12dps animation we used to do in Hanna Barbera and the 6dps of the Japanese Anime.

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Oct 4, 2023 15:27:54   #
darekstudio Loc: Minnesota
 
😉

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Oct 4, 2023 15:33:34   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
In true UHH form, the OP has been migrated from his initial inquiry around moving to a Z 8 to now being counseled all about the Z 9...how short our attention span.

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Oct 4, 2023 15:42:10   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
larryepage wrote:
In true UHH form, the OP has been migrated from his initial inquiry around moving to a Z 8 to now being counseled all about the Z 9...how short our attention span.



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Oct 4, 2023 15:46:42   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
I went from the 810 to the z9
if I had an 850 , I doubt I would have upgraded.
Yes lots of great features on the z9
but I dont think most of those features are aimed at landscape photography.

also someone wrote Mirrorless is smaller, Nope z9 is big and heavy ( which I like over lighter cameras)

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Oct 4, 2023 18:21:14   #
neillaubenthal
 
If most of what you do is landscapes…then a lot of the advantages of the Z bodies isn't relevant to you. However…the Z8/9 do have a newer sensor which by virtue of being newer tech has a higher ISO range and lower noise than older sensors…that's the nature of progress. But…for most landscape shot…that's not really a relevant factor.

OTOH…you say you do some wildlife…and the Z8/9 have significantly better AF algorithms because again…technology advancement. In addition…the Z lenses are almost across the board better than their F mount equivalents and are typically lighter as well because again…newer tech and newer optical design software. Whether it's worth it to you to upgrade is something only you can decide.

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Oct 4, 2023 19:49:52   #
MichaelStacy
 
While on the topic of nikon mirrorless, i am planning on getting a z6 III (when available, i think) and can't find an answer about doing videos. Since the Z's are mirrorless, can i take a video while viewing thru the eyepiece?

Thank you,

Michael

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Oct 4, 2023 20:16:40   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
MichaelStacy wrote:
While on the topic of nikon mirrorless, i am planning on getting a z6 III (when available, i think) and can't find an answer about doing videos. Since the Z's are mirrorless, can i take a video while viewing thru the eyepiece?

Thank you,

Michael


"https://www.quora.com/Do-mirrorless-cameras-allow-video-shooting-whilst-looking-through-the-eyepiece-viewfinder#:~:text=Yes%2C%20all%20mirrorless%20cameras%20allow,the%20camera%20has%20a%20mirror).&text=Mirrorless%20camera%20Vs%20SLR%27s%20%2D%20Pro%27s%20and%20Con%27s."

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