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Oct 4, 2023 20:25:26   #
Machinedoc Loc: Yorktown Heights, NY
 
MichaelStacy wrote:
While on the topic of nikon mirrorless, i am planning on getting a z6 III (when available, i think) and can't find an answer about doing videos. Since the Z's are mirrorless, can i take a video while viewing thru the eyepiece?

Thank you,

Michael


Absolutely - the Z6ii (and probably the other Zs give you the option as to how you view the image or video you are shooting. I have found the vidfeo to be superb, especially in low light.

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Oct 4, 2023 21:00:56   #
MichaelStacy
 
Thanks for the responses. This is what I expected (and hoped). Doing videos with my d750 & Tamron 150-600 was a pain.

Michael

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Oct 4, 2023 21:25:28   #
yssirk123 Loc: New Jersey
 
BandeauRouge wrote:
two questions no sarcasm..
Since you state you have no interest or intent to go back to DSLR... can you send me your DSLR and lens...


Sure thing - just stuff $900 in an envelope and send it my way. I'll be checking my mailbox every day.

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Oct 4, 2023 21:31:50   #
MichaelStacy
 
Yah, sure, you betcha! :-)

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Oct 4, 2023 23:12:02   #
Randyfrieder Loc: Long Island, New York
 
There would be no difference in the results from a DSLR and a mirrorless camera from the same manufacturer released at the same time with same MP taken with the same lens of the same subject taken at the same ISO, aperture and shutter speed and focused correctly.


Oh boy, do I disagree!!!
There are many reasons why my Z9 takes better photos than my D850 can.

Just a few:
No mirror, so no mirror slap, at the very moment you want the camera to be as still as possible.
No shutter, reread the above!!!
The camera has inbuilt ibis. So any lens, in the world, that I can mount, automatically has in body image stabilization.
Not only does the D850 not have ibis, but when I mount any Af-s or newer F mount lens on the Z9, I get the advantage of both VR and Ibis!! I believe that in most cases, the sharper photo is considered… better.
The Z9 viewfinder has a starlight mode, which lets you focus in unbelievably dark club interiors, that my D850 couldn’t touch that.
The Z9 has at least a one stop advantage in low light noise, compared to the D850.
The D850 only was 7fps or max at 9fps, with the grip and en-el18 battery. The Z9 can shoot full size raw and jpeg, at 20fps.
That makes a huge difference in sports, wildlife, BIF, weddings, pretty much anything! It’s a big difference between getting your shot, and hoping that you got the shot. And, oh yeah, I can capture 120 fps JPEGs at 11mp. Try that Dslr.
I can immediately see my shot in the viewfinder, without taking my eye away, so I don’t have a delay before I can shoot the next shot.
My mirrorless camera can automatically capture an image, when a subject comes into a predetermined location. D850… nope!
The Z9 has a wider dynamic range than the D850.
The Z9 camera has pre-exposure capture of up to 300 seconds, that means if you fire the camera AFTER you see the lightning, you have it already on your faster memory cards.
D850 doesn’t know what precapture is.
Again, the difference between getting a shot and not getting it.
There is virtually no buffer on the Z9
I can go on, there are many more features that allow the mirrorless camera, in my case the Z9, to create photos than the D850 could never dream of.

Did I mention that the camera is absolutely silent?? I don’t have to worry about scaring an animal away.
And I can shoot through the vf, as a behind the scene ‘tog, during actual takes, because it is silent. The D850 does shoot silently, but only on the rear screen in live view.
And…
And….

There is absolutely no question that I get better results from the top of the line mirrorless camera, than I ever did with what most consider the best dslr extant.

They are so far apart, in ability and I say quality, that I wish I switched sooner.

Even, if both cameras were taking photos of the same color chart with the same focal length made by Nikon lens, the Z9 will produce a sharper image, because the Z mount S lenses are better, faster and sharper!!
And they can’t be mounted on the older F mount bodies.

There is no comparison
Just getting a photo, that wasn’t possible with the D850, is a huge improvement, but that photo will look better than the previous camera for all the reasons above, and many more it is a game changer.

Sorry to have to disagree, but I believe that any other high end mirrorless camera will produce better results than the best dslr.

And a camera that can take photos that the other one can’t, results in better photos than not getting anything photos!

Getting the photo is what it is all about.
Imho
Ymmv
📸 Regards, Randy 📸

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Oct 5, 2023 01:09:08   #
BandeauRouge Loc: usa
 
https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-z9/4#:~:text=Last%20I%20checked%2C%20Nikon%20lists%20only%20the%20following,%28660%20GB%29%20%E2%80%93%20%24767%20per%20card%20at%20B%26H

so in essence, with this new super camera, the CHEAPEST memory card is going to cost you 160$ on Amazon right now... though going by the Nikon reccomendations, youll need a a video card that costs 400$ each...

I thought my sigma 150-600 was pricey.... ooh i feel the bleeding already.

And i am NOT surprised the photos in that review article show the same issues with the Auto Focus on my D7500, massive blurring from going wide open on the aperture..

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Oct 5, 2023 01:58:01   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Randyfrieder wrote:
Oh boy, do I disagree!!!
There are many reasons why my Z9 takes better photos than my D850 can.

Disagree with what? You didn’t understand my post.

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Oct 5, 2023 06:39:01   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I own old Nikon cameras like the D7000 and the D610. I do own mirrorless cameras made by Olympus, old cameras too. I use often my dSLR cameras for landscape photography with no issues, sometimes with old lenses.
The Z8 is an expensive camera and from what I know the best results will come when using Z or S lenses with it. My retired ophthalmologist precisely today is traveling with it to shoot in Africa with the new 180-600 lens. I have seen beautiful landscapes he recently shot in Canada near Banff using the 24-200 Z lens and the images are of excellent quality but nothing he could have not done with his D750.

I have no experience with the D810 but everything I know about it is very positive. Stay with your camera if you are going to keep doing landscapes and save some money.

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Oct 5, 2023 07:30:32   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Randyfrieder wrote:
There would be no difference in the results from a DSLR and a mirrorless camera from the same manufacturer released at the same time with same MP taken with the same lens of the same subject taken at the same ISO, aperture and shutter speed and focused correctly.


Oh boy, do I disagree!!!
There are many reasons why my Z9 takes better photos than my D850 can.

Just a few:
No mirror, so no mirror slap, at the very moment you want the camera to be as still as possible.
No shutter, reread the above!!!
The camera has inbuilt ibis. So any lens, in the world, that I can mount, automatically has in body image stabilization.
Not only does the D850 not have ibis, but when I mount any Af-s or newer F mount lens on the Z9, I get the advantage of both VR and Ibis!! I believe that in most cases, the sharper photo is considered… better.
The Z9 viewfinder has a starlight mode, which lets you focus in unbelievably dark club interiors, that my D850 couldn’t touch that.
The Z9 has at least a one stop advantage in low light noise, compared to the D850.
The D850 only was 7fps or max at 9fps, with the grip and en-el18 battery. The Z9 can shoot full size raw and jpeg, at 20fps.
That makes a huge difference in sports, wildlife, BIF, weddings, pretty much anything! It’s a big difference between getting your shot, and hoping that you got the shot. And, oh yeah, I can capture 120 fps JPEGs at 11mp. Try that Dslr.
I can immediately see my shot in the viewfinder, without taking my eye away, so I don’t have a delay before I can shoot the next shot.
My mirrorless camera can automatically capture an image, when a subject comes into a predetermined location. D850… nope!
The Z9 has a wider dynamic range than the D850.
The Z9 camera has pre-exposure capture of up to 300 seconds, that means if you fire the camera AFTER you see the lightning, you have it already on your faster memory cards.
D850 doesn’t know what precapture is.
Again, the difference between getting a shot and not getting it.
There is virtually no buffer on the Z9
I can go on, there are many more features that allow the mirrorless camera, in my case the Z9, to create photos than the D850 could never dream of.

Did I mention that the camera is absolutely silent?? I don’t have to worry about scaring an animal away.
And I can shoot through the vf, as a behind the scene ‘tog, during actual takes, because it is silent. The D850 does shoot silently, but only on the rear screen in live view.
And…
And….

There is absolutely no question that I get better results from the top of the line mirrorless camera, than I ever did with what most consider the best dslr extant.

They are so far apart, in ability and I say quality, that I wish I switched sooner.

Even, if both cameras were taking photos of the same color chart with the same focal length made by Nikon lens, the Z9 will produce a sharper image, because the Z mount S lenses are better, faster and sharper!!
And they can’t be mounted on the older F mount bodies.

There is no comparison
Just getting a photo, that wasn’t possible with the D850, is a huge improvement, but that photo will look better than the previous camera for all the reasons above, and many more it is a game changer.

Sorry to have to disagree, but I believe that any other high end mirrorless camera will produce better results than the best dslr.

And a camera that can take photos that the other one can’t, results in better photos than not getting anything photos!

Getting the photo is what it is all about.
Imho
Ymmv
📸 Regards, Randy 📸
There would be no difference in the results from a... (show quote)


Why does DXO rate the Z9 lower than the D850 with a 100 score on the D850 and 98 for the Z9?
And the D850 with 14.8 stops dynamic range and the Z9 with 12.8 stops dynamic range on several independent tests including CineLab tests?

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Oct 5, 2023 07:36:17   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
BandeauRouge wrote:
https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-z9/4#:~:text=Last%20I%20checked%2C%20Nikon%20lists%20only%20the%20following,%28660%20GB%29%20%E2%80%93%20%24767%20per%20card%20at%20B%26H

so in essence, with this new super camera, the CHEAPEST memory card is going to cost you 160$ on Amazon right now... though going by the Nikon reccomendations, youll need a a video card that costs 400$ each...

I thought my sigma 150-600 was pricey.... ooh i feel the bleeding already.

And i am NOT surprised the photos in that review article show the same issues with the Auto Focus on my D7500, massive blurring from going wide open on the aperture..
https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-z9/4#:~:... (show quote)


The memory card you will need depends on how and what you shoot. But the ugly truth is that those massive sensors fill a lot of memory every time you push the button. If you push the button a lot, you will almost certainly want a big card. If you shoot significant bursts, you will want a fast card.

I used to buy memory cards based on battery life, so that a card would fill up about the same time a battery got depleted. There was some logic in that, but I decided it better to have to worry about one thing than two. Now I use 340 GB CFE cards in both my D850 and D500. They rarely get anywhere close to full, but they are also never a worry. That size card will hold about 3200 uncompressed, full resolution images in the D850. It'll be just about the same in a Z 8 or Z 9.

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Oct 5, 2023 09:35:17   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Why does DXO rate the Z9 lower than the D850 with a 100 score on the D850 and 98 for the Z9?
And the D850 with 14.8 stops dynamic range and the Z9 with 12.8 stops dynamic range on several independent tests including CineLab tests?

You should ask DxO that question. Maybe you should post your information from the "several independent tests".

However, not everyone agrees on the definition of DR.

But the Z6II outperforms all of them over most of its ISO range.

D850, Z6II, Z7 and Z9 dynamic range
D850, Z6II, Z7 and Z9 dynamic range...

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Oct 5, 2023 09:44:00   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
selmslie wrote:
You should ask DxO that question. Maybe you should post your information from the "several independent tests".

However, not everyone agrees on the definition of DR.

But the Z6II outperforms all of them over most of its ISO range.


In other words the Z9 is not a step up but a step down to the D850 per DXO.

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Oct 5, 2023 09:45:24   #
imagextrordinair Loc: Halden, Norway
 
photoman43 wrote:
David, I shoot with Nikon cameras and glass. I have both the d850 and the z9. Most of my lenses are F mount Nikon lenses that I use on both cameras with good success. If you shoot carefully and properly, I doubt if you will see any difference in the images taken with a z8 and your d850. One difference that could mean a lot to you is that the z8 allows you to see exactly what the camera will capture. If you get the z8, you will end up loving it and will use it for most of your shooting. I got my z9 with one S lens, the 100-400mm. Then I got the s24-120mm f4.
David, I shoot with Nikon cameras and glass. I hav... (show quote)


The on camera review monitor will be close, but it is a Jpeg preview on a tiny screen of an unedited Raw image or camera edit. Your computer monitor will be different.

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Oct 5, 2023 09:46:26   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
selmslie wrote:
You should ask DxO that question. Maybe you should post your information from the "several independent tests".

However, not everyone agrees on the definition of DR.

But the Z6II outperforms all of them over most of its ISO range.


What's most interesting to me is the whole almost misguided rabid nitpicking over the whole question. A quick look at this P to P chart reveals that none of these cameras has even 10 stops of dynamic range anywhere past ISO 200. And the difference among any of them is not worth the effort of throwing a stick at, certainly past ISO 500 or so.

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Oct 5, 2023 09:54:24   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Improvement begins with I - as in: I will buy a mirrorless camera today.

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