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Dec 18, 2012 11:39:09 #
I for one have been drawn into this thread out of genuine concern for what is happening to a country that I love and respect and not out of malice.
I think that you can do just about anything with statistics depending upon what point you want to make. However on every level of measurement the US comes out way ahead of other industrialised, modern, stable democracies. There are many countries with higher murder rates but we are talking about 3rd world countries mainly in South/Central America and Africa.
To compare just two US and UK:
Murder rate per 100,000 population
UK 1.2
US 4.2
Gun related deaths per 100,000
UK 0.04
US 9.20
Data Wikipedia. Year 2011
As far as mass shooting events are concerns the US leads the world. I doubt if anyone would argue that was not the case.
I recognise that the UK is a violent place. But it tends to be the result of drink fuelled lawlessness. If you don't put yourself in that situation you are not at risk. I sleep very soundly because I have little or no fear of being broken into.
I think that you can do just about anything with statistics depending upon what point you want to make. However on every level of measurement the US comes out way ahead of other industrialised, modern, stable democracies. There are many countries with higher murder rates but we are talking about 3rd world countries mainly in South/Central America and Africa.
To compare just two US and UK:
Murder rate per 100,000 population
UK 1.2
US 4.2
Gun related deaths per 100,000
UK 0.04
US 9.20
Data Wikipedia. Year 2011
As far as mass shooting events are concerns the US leads the world. I doubt if anyone would argue that was not the case.
I recognise that the UK is a violent place. But it tends to be the result of drink fuelled lawlessness. If you don't put yourself in that situation you are not at risk. I sleep very soundly because I have little or no fear of being broken into.
Dec 18, 2012 11:45:17 #
Pepper
Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
davids999 wrote:
I for one have been drawn into this thread out of ... (show quote)
London officials are mostly concerned with gang related violence which is on the rise. Hopefully with the UK restrictions on firearms these gang members will be unable to get their hands on them because if they get them you can bet they'll use them.
Dec 18, 2012 11:49:09 #
Don't cherry pick numbers...If you are going to compare murder rates, you have to do it by all sources, not just guns....Here's a link to a wiki on rates for different countries around the world. Seems the US isn't anywhere near the top in overall murder rates...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
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Dec 18, 2012 11:54:52 #
Screamin Scott wrote:
Don't cherry pick numbers...If you are going to compare murder rates, you have to do it by all sources, not just guns....Here's a link to a wiki on rates for different countries around the world. Seems the US isn't anywhere near the top in overall murder rates...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Good link. I don't think I'll be heading to Africa anytime soon after looking at the numbers. Or El Salvadore. :roll:
I was surprised to see the Bahamas ranked so high.
Dec 18, 2012 12:15:36 #
Time to ban toilet plungers.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57413712-504083/man-attempts-bank-robbery-with-toilet-plunger-police-say/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57413712-504083/man-attempts-bank-robbery-with-toilet-plunger-police-say/
Dec 18, 2012 12:16:30 #
Bangee5 wrote:
quote=Wellhiem quote=Bangee5 quote=Wellhiem qu... (show quote)
I just farted. That's now in the past. Doesn't make it history.
Dec 18, 2012 12:23:56 #
Wellhiem wrote:
quote=Bangee5 quote=Wellhiem quote=Bangee5 quo... (show quote)
If you're still in the room it's the present. Very good use of the "Queen's English." I didn't realize you were part of the Royal family. You are now to be known as the Duke of Farts. :thumbup:
Dec 18, 2012 12:28:14 #
Wellhiem wrote:
No yesterday is the past. I know your nation has tried to screw up the English language, but some of it still remains.
Wellhiem wrote:
I just farted. That's now in the past. Doesn't make it history.
Now we argue the definition of history, sheesh. Look at 4b. Your fart was history. This definition should be relatively easy to comprehend. Now take your feet out of your mouth, kindly.
his·to·ry noun \ˈhis-t(ə-)rē\
plural his·to·ries
Definition of HISTORY
1
: tale, story
2
a : a chronological record of significant events (as affecting a nation or institution) often including an explanation of their causes
b : a treatise presenting systematically related natural phenomena
c : an account of a patient's medical background
d : an established record <a prisoner with a history of violence>
3
: a branch of knowledge that records and explains past events <medieval history>
4
a : events that form the subject matter of a history
b : events of the past
c : one that is finished or done for <the winning streak was history> <you're history>
d : previous treatment, handling, or experience (as of a metal)
From: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/history
Dec 18, 2012 13:52:40 #
I think you will find that recent case-law has established that UK householders do have rights in respect of dealing with armed intruders. I don't know how the US legal code operates but here in the UK laws can, in effect, be changed overnight and without lengthy parliamentary procedures when the Courts establish new principles from cases in process - the Common Law in action.
Dec 18, 2012 14:13:11 #
Hi British citizens,
You can't dictate to a country that is out of your jurisdiction. You have no rights and no leverage over the mindset. It's frustrating yes but all as you will achieve is higher blood pressure and a totally unnecessary and unfounded dislike for your cousins. We don't want that. A Scottish chap had a real go at me the other day reading someone else's post.....it can be too easy to blame on a forum and fuel non-necessity.
I saw the first of the funerals today, little girl and a smashing little chap. Oh boy..... something needs to change but UHH isn't it.
You can't dictate to a country that is out of your jurisdiction. You have no rights and no leverage over the mindset. It's frustrating yes but all as you will achieve is higher blood pressure and a totally unnecessary and unfounded dislike for your cousins. We don't want that. A Scottish chap had a real go at me the other day reading someone else's post.....it can be too easy to blame on a forum and fuel non-necessity.
I saw the first of the funerals today, little girl and a smashing little chap. Oh boy..... something needs to change but UHH isn't it.
Dec 18, 2012 14:14:05 #
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Dec 18, 2012 14:38:12 #
Bmac wrote:
quote=Wellhiem No yesterday is the past. I know y... (show quote)
You are correct of course. I allowed myself to be side tracked by an inconsequential point of semantics. But having given that definition, may I ask how you would differentiate between a news channel on TV and a history channel.
Dec 18, 2012 14:39:42 #
Wellhiem wrote:
quote=Bangee5 quote=Wellhiem quote=Bangee5 quo... (show quote)
Not if you can still smell it!
Dec 18, 2012 14:40:06 #
Bram boy
Loc: Vancouver Island B.C. Canada
Rbode wrote:
Our Constitution allows foreigners to comment here, that's a good thing, some of these foreigners are no more than ignorant used asswipes, but that is free speech.
The conversation our nation is about to have concerning firearms and firearm ownership is no business of these foreigners.
The conversation our nation is about to have concerning firearms and firearm ownership is no business of these foreigners.
Oh you mean like Bush sr. Poking his nose into the oil business in Kawate, he would never have got into that if it was not for oil. But now that texas has got more maybe there will be less wars. We would all be driving clean car's by now if it was not for the oil companies and there greed .
Dec 18, 2012 14:40:12 #
I am PJ wrote:
Hi British citizens, br You can't dictate to a cou... (show quote)
Not out to dictate to anyone. Just trying to understand.
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