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Sep 12, 2023 09:35:57   #
wapiti Loc: round rock, texas
 
So much BS, even for you.

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Sep 12, 2023 09:43:31   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you're going to engage in a childish discussion of brands or camera format, you can't then say it's childish.


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Sep 12, 2023 09:44:19   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
Must there be quips. Can person not post a query and get apropriate responses related to the question rather than sarcasm or cynicism? Why must there be put downs and derogatory comments?

Because we're human.......
And not perfect like some.

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Sep 12, 2023 09:45:36   #
Madchemist Loc: Nesbit, MS
 
I think both are equal. What you see in media depends on who is giving out the cameras for use on a particular show.

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Sep 12, 2023 09:50:03   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
larryepage wrote:
If you check his bio, there is some evidence that the OP is looking for a new camera and is considering changing brands.


Still doesn’t explain why he can’t make the observations he’s referring to on his own.

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Sep 12, 2023 09:55:58   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Silverhair2048 wrote:
My apologies for starting the latest episode of the camera wars.

No, I am not looking to change my camera of choice. I obtained a different brand of camera and want to learn all I can about it.


And now, when you go back and re-read your original post, was that really an effective way to ask specific question(s) about any specific model of camera? Or, is this a now disingenuous attempt to change to subject after your post generated the expected result of such a post?

The community rose to an earlier challenge regarding the various lenses and different formats that came along with a full-frame camera. The community has also responded to seemingly different camera behavior vs a third-party document of the camera functionality.

But, a post about observing professional equipment as observed on TV, with the implication some brands are better than others (or worse, no different), well, a different portion of the community will respond to those suspect ideas ....

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Sep 12, 2023 09:58:53   #
dbrugger25 Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Silverhair2048 wrote:
Granted I don't have a whole lot of experience with either Nikon(3 cameras, 14 lenses) or Canon(1 camera, 6 lenses). But I get the impression that Canon isn't seen as an equal to Nikon. I could be terribly wrong and will apologize for my thoughts. But if cameras are seen in TV shows what brand shows up more often? If you are near an accident with news reporters taking photos what brand do you see more often? If a family is on a playground and photos are being taken what brand do you see?

Thanks for reading my ramblings.
Granted I don't have a whole lot of experience wit... (show quote)


I have often noticed that in advertising and movies and TV shows the brand of the cameras are blanked-out. You need to be really astute to determine what brand it is. The only measures of what brands are most popular is the numerical sales data, adjusted for price. In such dramatic situations the directors want the story to be prevalent, not the cameras. Car manufacturers sometimes contribute vehicles to studios in exchange for screen time.

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Sep 12, 2023 10:32:23   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Silverhair2048 wrote:
Granted I don't have a whole lot of experience with either Nikon(3 cameras, 14 lenses) or Canon(1 camera, 6 lenses). But I get the impression that Canon isn't seen as an equal to Nikon. I could be terribly wrong and will apologize for my thoughts. But if cameras are seen in TV shows what brand shows up more often? If you are near an accident with news reporters taking photos what brand do you see more often? If a family is on a playground and photos are being taken what brand do you see?

Thanks for reading my ramblings.
Granted I don't have a whole lot of experience wit... (show quote)


Haven't you heard! Sony is the only real camera! Or was it Fuji?!? Maybe Panasonic?? Or was it Pentax? Or OMDS?? We were talking about cameras that are "equals", right?

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Sep 12, 2023 10:38:42   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
wdross wrote:
Haven't you heard! Sony is the only real camera! Or was it Fuji?!? Maybe Panasonic?? Or was it Pentax? Or OMDS?? We were talking about cameras that are "equals", right?



None of them are equal, but they all have one thing in common,
they take pictures.

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Sep 12, 2023 10:43:41   #
Silverhair2048 Loc: Houston, TX, USA
 
Good point, Madchemist.

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Sep 12, 2023 11:08:32   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Silverhair2048 wrote:
My apologies for starting the latest episode of the camera wars.

No, I am not looking to change my camera of choice. I obtained a different brand of camera and want to learn all I can about it.


Yes, I see your other discussion.

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Sep 12, 2023 12:14:08   #
Harry02 Loc: Gardena, CA
 
Waay back then, I was transitioning from film.
I was very impressed with the Canon 6mp camera.
Canon was touting it's APS-H sensor, and I was ready to switch.
BUT! No real APS-H camera were avail, or coming.
OH! And in the daylight you'd get light leaks at certain angles, and sometimes you'd get overheating. and that POS viewfinder clip to block the sun was an accessory.
AND the camera stores were advertising very similar Nikon/Canon bundles.
Except the Nikon had a better bundle, at a cheaper price,
and I already had a bucket of F-mount lenses.
A quarter century later, no regrets. A very pleased Nikonista am I.

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Sep 12, 2023 12:25:25   #
Hip Coyote
 
There’s an old saying, “amateurs talk tactics and soldiers talk logistics.” I’d extrapolate that to photography. Amateurs taken gear and photographers talk art.

But on the business side: I’m currently in Europe near tourist areas. By far canon is the predominant camera with Nikon second. I do see a few Sonys and Olys. Olys seem to be used by Japanese tourists and is my system of choice.

What I can also say is that I saw no pro lenses…all commercial grade. For every person carrying a real camera there were 1000 who didn’t. Cell phones rule.

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Sep 12, 2023 12:56:46   #
sheldon minsky Loc: iron mountain michigan
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
When you think all the brands are the same, you own the wrong brand.

Relax, your check is in the mail. Sorry to see that you took the bait.

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Sep 12, 2023 14:26:55   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
PhotogHobbyist wrote:
Must there be quips? Can a person not post a query and get appropriate responses related to the question rather than sarcasm or cynicism? Why must there be put-downs and derogatory comments?


This is one of the reasons why I never get involved in all these camera brand vs. camera brand threads. I have my favorite makes and models so, why don't I chime in? That's becise I can't understand why PHOTOGRAPHERS are so interested in statistics such as sales figures and this kind of market research unless they are photograhic RETAILERS or suppliers. In comparing various makes and models, seldom are the any specific references to particular features, builds, or actual operation performance in practice. Why are folks so concerned about what brands others are buying? Sometimes what is popular is not necessarily the best choice for one's individual needs, budget, and shooting strategies.

Unless someone has a specific make/model comparison question based on a specific application, problem, or need, a strictly brand-specific question inadvertently becomes "clickbait or sady, childish bickering.

Some decades ago, I met a Russian photojournalist who fell out of favor with the "government" in his native country because of his exposé of systemic antisemitism that somehow was published internationally. He escaped to Israel and eventually landed here in Canada. His photography was exquisite and telling and extremely well-crafted, especially considering the limited equipment that was available, athe time, in Russia. I asked about his gear and he laughed. He had done the bulk of his work with a FED and A Zorki, two kids of Leica knockoffs, and a Krasnogorsk, a kind of SLR that was briefly made by a Russian movie camera manufacturer, that was soon discontinued. He mentioned that he went through a number of East German-made Practica Cameras that fell apart in hard service. Meeting this man and our discussion was my greatest lesson in "it's the photograher, not the camera"!

OK, you can't really do top-quality photogahy with a pinhole camera or a Brownie Hawkeye- that's silly hyperbole! There is plenty of good gear out there but all this talk about gear and GAS is relatively useless when you consider there is so much more to PHOTOGRAPHY.

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