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Dec 17, 2012 13:18:40   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
Robbie7 wrote:
Controlling the gun laws in the UK is easier because of the country size..e.g. Florida is bigger than England and that is just one state. Also the mind set is different here, most "true brits" are not interested in owning a gun. Its true,more gun crimes are being committed but in certain sectors and mainly by imported cultures. In Britain its very difficult to get a gun licence, most shootings are carried out using illeagally imported weapons.

IMO: The only way I can see America moving forward is to enforce gun control bit by bit or state by state and change the mind set of the people. But! it doesn't matter how tight the gun laws, their will always be those that kill others by what ever means, it's a fact of life but no reason for me to buy a gun or retailitate in kind..I'm not a killer..regards

ps: The irony is that most if not all our mass killers with guns have been properly licenced users.
Controlling the gun laws in the UK is easier becau... (show quote)


Non of the mass killings were " spur of the moment " they were well planned, and all were done in supposedly " Gun Free Zones ".

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Dec 17, 2012 13:23:04   #
imagesintime Loc: small town, mid-America
 
Kit Lens wrote:
MtnMan wrote:
RichieC wrote:

Wrong... see link- guns are not the most efficient, and this is really why the EASY blame game is specious.

This is the worst mass killing of school children in American history and no gun in sight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster



Isn't it interesting that there has been no mention of this in the media and they consistently state that Sandy Hook is the worst such event?

It shows clearly that the media is out to use this tragedy for their political ends. How tragic that is.
quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link- guns are not... (show quote)


Maybe they forgot about it because it was 1927!!!
BTW There were no Assault Rifles back then.
quote=MtnMan quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link... (show quote)


Just because the media didn't use that terminology then, does not mean they were not used. By definition an assault rifle is fully automatic. The favorite weapons of choice of the bad guys in the twenties and thirties were the Thompson sub-machine gun and the Browning automatic rifle, both are what are now known as assault rifles. The rifle used by this crazy person was not an assault rifle, it was a semi-automatic.

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Dec 17, 2012 13:54:33   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
imagesintime wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
MtnMan wrote:
RichieC wrote:

Wrong... see link- guns are not the most efficient, and this is really why the EASY blame game is specious.

This is the worst mass killing of school children in American history and no gun in sight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster



Isn't it interesting that there has been no mention of this in the media and they consistently state that Sandy Hook is the worst such event?

It shows clearly that the media is out to use this tragedy for their political ends. How tragic that is.
quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link- guns are not... (show quote)


Maybe they forgot about it because it was 1927!!!
BTW There were no Assault Rifles back then.
quote=MtnMan quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link... (show quote)


Just because the media didn't use that terminology then, does not mean they were not used. By definition an assault rifle is fully automatic. The favorite weapons of choice of the bad guys in the twenties and thirties were the Thompson sub-machine gun and the Browning automatic rifle, both are what are now known as assault rifles. The rifle used by this crazy person was not an assault rifle, it was a semi-automatic.
quote=Kit Lens quote=MtnMan quote=RichieC br W... (show quote)


1 more time; the rifle was not "used" it was found in his car.

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Dec 17, 2012 14:00:28   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
DougW wrote:
imagesintime wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
MtnMan wrote:
RichieC wrote:

Wrong... see link- guns are not the most efficient, and this is really why the EASY blame game is specious.

This is the worst mass killing of school children in American history and no gun in sight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster



Isn't it interesting that there has been no mention of this in the media and they consistently state that Sandy Hook is the worst such event?

It shows clearly that the media is out to use this tragedy for their political ends. How tragic that is.
quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link- guns are not... (show quote)


Maybe they forgot about it because it was 1927!!!
BTW There were no Assault Rifles back then.
quote=MtnMan quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link... (show quote)


Just because the media didn't use that terminology then, does not mean they were not used. By definition an assault rifle is fully automatic. The favorite weapons of choice of the bad guys in the twenties and thirties were the Thompson sub-machine gun and the Browning automatic rifle, both are what are now known as assault rifles. The rifle used by this crazy person was not an assault rifle, it was a semi-automatic.
quote=Kit Lens quote=MtnMan quote=RichieC br W... (show quote)


1 more time; the rifle was not "used" it was found in his car.
quote=imagesintime quote=Kit Lens quote=MtnMan ... (show quote)

The only facts that are important are those that support their side of the issue. Oh and by the way your facts will never be real facts. Just wait you'll see.

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Dec 17, 2012 14:05:05   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
Pepper wrote:
DougW wrote:
imagesintime wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
MtnMan wrote:
RichieC wrote:

Wrong... see link- guns are not the most efficient, and this is really why the EASY blame game is specious.

This is the worst mass killing of school children in American history and no gun in sight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster



Isn't it interesting that there has been no mention of this in the media and they consistently state that Sandy Hook is the worst such event?

It shows clearly that the media is out to use this tragedy for their political ends. How tragic that is.
quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link- guns are not... (show quote)


Maybe they forgot about it because it was 1927!!!
BTW There were no Assault Rifles back then.
quote=MtnMan quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link... (show quote)


Just because the media didn't use that terminology then, does not mean they were not used. By definition an assault rifle is fully automatic. The favorite weapons of choice of the bad guys in the twenties and thirties were the Thompson sub-machine gun and the Browning automatic rifle, both are what are now known as assault rifles. The rifle used by this crazy person was not an assault rifle, it was a semi-automatic.
quote=Kit Lens quote=MtnMan quote=RichieC br W... (show quote)


1 more time; the rifle was not "used" it was found in his car.
quote=imagesintime quote=Kit Lens quote=MtnMan ... (show quote)

The only facts that are important are those that support their side of the issue. Oh and by the way your facts will never be real facts. Just wait you'll see.
quote=DougW quote=imagesintime quote=Kit Lens ... (show quote)


Question: How is "strict" gun control working for the law abiding citizens in my neighbor Mexico ?

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Dec 17, 2012 14:06:29   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
DougW wrote:

1 more time; the rifle was not "used" it was found in his car.


That was the early incorrect report. He did, in fact, use the Bushmaster. Not that it has any relevance.

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Dec 17, 2012 14:07:13   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
It's wonderful down there, They're just living a dream. Have you not heard how difficult it is for the Mexican boarder patrol to keep all the Americans from trying to enter their country illegally.

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Dec 17, 2012 14:13:00   #
OnTheFly Loc: Tennessee
 
Hey Kit..Wasn't the Tommy Gun around back then? That was a machine gun. I think any machine gun would be considered an assault rifle. They just didn't use that term.
Kit Lens wrote:
MtnMan wrote:
RichieC wrote:

Wrong... see link- guns are not the most efficient, and this is really why the EASY blame game is specious.

This is the worst mass killing of school children in American history and no gun in sight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster



Isn't it interesting that there has been no mention of this in the media and they consistently state that Sandy Hook is the worst such event?

It shows clearly that the media is out to use this tragedy for their political ends. How tragic that is.
quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link- guns are not... (show quote)


Maybe they forgot about it because it was 1927!!!
BTW There were no Assault Rifles back then.
quote=MtnMan quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link... (show quote)

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Dec 17, 2012 14:21:22   #
FotoFan
 
who was the victim of such liberal and unconscionable gun laws? It will always be those who are vulnerable in our society - that's many of us. I know, you think the best defense is to arm everyone. Escalation of weapons is not the answer.

Pure freedom is anarchy at best - we go back to the laws of nature and third world countries - he who has the might rules. Let's lobby for laws that are civilized, that protect instead of hinder.

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Dec 17, 2012 14:25:24   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
FotoFan wrote:
who was the victim of such liberal and unconscionable gun laws? It will always be those who are vulnerable in our society - that's many of us. I know, you think the best defense is to arm everyone. Escalation of weapons is not the answer.

Pure freedom is anarchy at best - we go back to the laws of nature and third world countries - he who has the might rules. Let's lobby for laws that are civilized, that protect instead of hinder.


Arm all school employees will solve the problem at schools.Solving the problem in public places is a different issue.

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Dec 17, 2012 14:26:11   #
Pepper Loc: Planet Earth Country USA
 
FotoFan wrote:
who was the victim of such liberal and unconscionable gun laws? It will always be those who are vulnerable in our society - that's many of us. I know, you think the best defense is to arm everyone. Escalation of weapons is not the answer.

Pure freedom is anarchy at best - we go back to the laws of nature and third world countries - he who has the might rules. Let's lobby for laws that are civilized, that protect instead of hinder.


Again FotoFan it's not a question of the law, the infamous Tommy Gun was never a legal weapon, criminals had them and remember what a criminal is? A criminal doesn't care about the law so tell me what good is a law that only impact the good guys? You get the bad guys to turn in their weapons and I'll turn in mine, now how can I be more fair.

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Dec 17, 2012 14:27:49   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Pepper wrote:
FotoFan wrote:
who was the victim of such liberal and unconscionable gun laws? It will always be those who are vulnerable in our society - that's many of us. I know, you think the best defense is to arm everyone. Escalation of weapons is not the answer.

Pure freedom is anarchy at best - we go back to the laws of nature and third world countries - he who has the might rules. Let's lobby for laws that are civilized, that protect instead of hinder.


Again FotoFan it's not a question of the law, the infamous Tommy Gun was never a legal weapon, criminals had them and remember what a criminal is? A criminal doesn't care about the law so tell me what good is a law that only impact the good guys? You get the bad guys to turn in their weapons and I'll turn in mine, now how can I be more fair.
quote=FotoFan who was the victim of such liberal ... (show quote)


Level headed clear thinking.Thank you.

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Dec 17, 2012 14:37:37   #
Kit Lens
 
DougW wrote:
imagesintime wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
MtnMan wrote:
RichieC wrote:

Wrong... see link- guns are not the most efficient, and this is really why the EASY blame game is specious.

This is the worst mass killing of school children in American history and no gun in sight.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster



Isn't it interesting that there has been no mention of this in the media and they consistently state that Sandy Hook is the worst such event?

It shows clearly that the media is out to use this tragedy for their political ends. How tragic that is.
quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link- guns are not... (show quote)


Maybe they forgot about it because it was 1927!!!
BTW There were no Assault Rifles back then.
quote=MtnMan quote=RichieC br Wrong... see link... (show quote)


Just because the media didn't use that terminology then, does not mean they were not used. By definition an assault rifle is fully automatic. The favorite weapons of choice of the bad guys in the twenties and thirties were the Thompson sub-machine gun and the Browning automatic rifle, both are what are now known as assault rifles. The rifle used by this crazy person was not an assault rifle, it was a semi-automatic.
quote=Kit Lens quote=MtnMan quote=RichieC br W... (show quote)


1 more time; the rifle was not "used" it was found in his car.
quote=imagesintime quote=Kit Lens quote=MtnMan ... (show quote)


Sorry, but the medical examiner disagrees with you. He stated that all of those killed were shot with the Bushmaster.

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Dec 17, 2012 14:37:53   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
Pepper wrote:
FotoFan wrote:
who was the victim of such liberal and unconscionable gun laws? It will always be those who are vulnerable in our society - that's many of us. I know, you think the best defense is to arm everyone. Escalation of weapons is not the answer.

Pure freedom is anarchy at best - we go back to the laws of nature and third world countries - he who has the might rules. Let's lobby for laws that are civilized, that protect instead of hinder.


Again FotoFan it's not a question of the law, the infamous Tommy Gun was never a legal weapon, criminals had them and remember what a criminal is? A criminal doesn't care about the law so tell me what good is a law that only impact the good guys? You get the bad guys to turn in their weapons and I'll turn in mine, now how can I be more fair.
quote=FotoFan who was the victim of such liberal ... (show quote)


It was made illegal to own automatic weapons in 1934 without special permission by the Feds. Apply for the permit pay the tax and you could legally own one now. ( subject to state and local laws)

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Dec 17, 2012 14:39:36   #
Kit Lens
 
yhtomit wrote:
FotoFan wrote:
who was the victim of such liberal and unconscionable gun laws? It will always be those who are vulnerable in our society - that's many of us. I know, you think the best defense is to arm everyone. Escalation of weapons is not the answer.

Pure freedom is anarchy at best - we go back to the laws of nature and third world countries - he who has the might rules. Let's lobby for laws that are civilized, that protect instead of hinder.


Arm all school employees will solve the problem at schools.Solving the problem in public places is a different issue.
quote=FotoFan who was the victim of such liberal ... (show quote)


Yeah that's the answer. Give Mrs. Crabtree an M-4 and train her as a member of SWAT.
Come on. That suggestion cannot be serious.

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